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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 21, 2019 5:05:06 GMT
How many third and longs did the Patriots have in OT that KC didn't stop? Stop one of those and they get the ball. The problem with that is even when KC stops the Pats, the refs bail out the Pats with a bogus roughing-the-passer call.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 21, 2019 5:06:52 GMT
True. However, when you have Tom Brady, or any player in a hot streak, as you QB, a coin toss win is almost as good as a win. So teams should be penalized for having good quarterbacks and good play calling? Being asked to play defense is considered being penalized?
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Post by Rufus-T on Jan 21, 2019 5:07:50 GMT
Not having a possession is like in baseball the road team score in extra inning and the game is over without the home team a chance to answer back. I politely disagree. That home team had the chance to not allow the road team to score via pitching & defense. 21st century... weird wild stuff. That is alright. It is an interesting debate, and we can disagree. I think they are talking about putting the pitching & defense in handicap by having the first two batters on base to start the inning, which I think would ruining the game.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 21, 2019 5:13:51 GMT
So teams should be penalized for having good quarterbacks and good play calling? I see it more like the other team is being penalized by pure chance. Not having a possession is like in baseball the road team score in extra inning and the game is over without the home team a chance to answer back. In playoff overtime hockey, it's sudden death, first team to score wins. After a team scores do they let the other team try and score? No because it's ridiculous. All an NFL team has to do to get the ball in overtime if they lose the coin toss is to not give up a touchdown on the first possession. There are plenty of possessions in an NFL game that do not result in touchdowns. Play defense one time and you get the ball back, it's not a huge ask. Presumably if a team has made it to the conference championship game they have at least an adequate defense. Stop them on one possession or hold them to a field goal. It's not that complicated. The Rams did. Would all of you still be complaining if KC won the toss and Mahomes led them to a touchdown on the first possession? Other than NE fans none of you would be complaining.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 21, 2019 5:14:30 GMT
I politely disagree. That home team had the chance to not allow the road team to score via pitching & defense. 21st century... weird wild stuff. That is alright. It is an interesting debate, and we can disagree. I think they are talking about putting the pitching & defense in handicap by having the first two batters on base to start the inning, which I think would ruining the game. If only all the points QB Mahomes II put up in regulation of the first half on Sunday weren't in vain.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 21, 2019 5:21:41 GMT
Would all of you still be complaining if KC won the toss and Mahomes led them to a touchdown on the first possession? Other than NE fans none of you would be complaining. Yes, everyone would still be complaining because people complain about the overtime rules 100% of the time that both teams don't get to touch the ball.
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Post by Rufus-T on Jan 21, 2019 5:27:03 GMT
I see it more like the other team is being penalized by pure chance. Not having a possession is like in baseball the road team score in extra inning and the game is over without the home team a chance to answer back. In playoff overtime hockey, it's sudden death, first team to score wins. After a team scores do they let the other team try and score? No because it's ridiculous. All an NFL team has to do to get the ball in overtime if they lose the coin toss is to not give up a touchdown on the first possession. There are plenty of possessions in an NFL game that do not result in touchdowns. Play defense one time and you get the ball back, it's not a huge ask. Presumably if a team has made it to the conference championship game they have at least an adequate defense. Stop them on one possession or hold them to a field goal. It's not that complicated. The Rams did. Would all of you still be complaining if KC won the toss and Mahomes led them to a touchdown on the first possession? Other than NE fans none of you would be complaining. To me it is not even a NE thing, I have this question a for awhile regarding the coin toss determining the OT part of the game. Since we have 2 OT games today, I just throw this topic out. I think I heard somewhere that it is about 50/50 that the winner of the coin toss wins the game. So maybe the coin toss is not that big a issue, but rather that the team loss the coin toss did not get a possession. In football, a team with a possession usually will have a ball for a long time. Hockey, the possession flip flop by seconds, so there is really not a sole possession in hockey.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 21, 2019 5:28:46 GMT
Truthfully, make every team go for 2 in OT. Still, that's not a huge challenge for, who was listed so far, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan… Mahommes II... So this thread would still exist.
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Post by Rufus-T on Jan 21, 2019 5:38:33 GMT
Truthfully, make every team go for 2 in OT. Still, that's not a huge challenge for, who was listed so far, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan… Mahommes II... So this thread would still exist. Nevertheless, football OT is still thousand times better than soccer OT having penalty kicks. Imagine if the teams each take 5 turns go for 2.
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Post by hehatesshe on Jan 21, 2019 7:35:36 GMT
How many third and longs did the Patriots have in OT that KC didn't stop? Stop one of those and they get the ball. The problem with that is even when KC stops the Pats, the refs bail out the Pats with a bogus roughing-the-passer call. Well, they didn't really stop the Patriots. It would have been 3rd and 7. Hardly a stop. I agree, bad call. But it was the only bad call that favored New England.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jan 21, 2019 8:53:18 GMT
If you think that system's bad, you should see the one we used to have in Australia. Prior to 1991, if a play off game was tied at FT, they'd come back the following week and play again. So in 1990, when 2 seed Collingwood tied with 3 seed West Coast it met that top seed Essendon, who'd earned a first week bye on top of having a bye in the last game, had to go another week without a competitive game. A match fit Collingwood destroyed them in the Semis in their first game in a month. And another ridiculous thing was the winners of the 4v5 game were also advantaged by a week off.
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Post by Marv on Jan 21, 2019 10:27:42 GMT
I was perfectly fine with sudden death. The most fair way would be an extra quarter. Maybe 5 or 10 minutes just to expedite things.
I don’t agree that the coin toss determined the winner yesterday tho. The Pats still drive like what 76 yards and scored a touchdown. With the Super Bowl on the line the Chiefs D didn’t show up...or was run down since the offense didn’t show up for so long.However you wanna look at it.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 21, 2019 11:21:06 GMT
Both teams "have to be able to play defense." When you have two offensive juggernauts, only one team gets to even try in overtime. The Patriots defense could have just gone into the locker room after the coin toss.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 21, 2019 12:12:12 GMT
Both teams "have to be able to play defense." When you have two offensive juggernauts, only one team gets to even try in overtime. The Patriots defense could have just gone into the locker room after the coin toss. Or the Chiefs simply had to do what the Rams did. If the Chiefs’ D was so gassed, how come Andy Reid couldn’t call one of his three time outs to give them a breather? 20 some years in the league and Big Red still doesn’t know when and when not to call a time out.
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Post by damngumby on Jan 21, 2019 12:20:07 GMT
Both teams "have to be able to play defense." When you have two offensive juggernauts, only one team gets to even try in overtime. The Patriots defense could have just gone into the locker room after the coin toss. If you have "two offensive juggernauts" that score every time they have the ball then the game goes on until one team faulters. KC faultered, out of the gate.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 21, 2019 13:13:46 GMT
Both teams "have to be able to play defense." When you have two offensive juggernauts, only one team gets to even try in overtime. The Patriots defense could have just gone into the locker room after the coin toss. I thought the Patriots defense never came out of the locker room after halftime.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 21, 2019 13:14:59 GMT
Both teams "have to be able to play defense." When you have two offensive juggernauts, only one team gets to even try in overtime. The Patriots defense could have just gone into the locker room after the coin toss. Or the Chiefs simply had to do what the Rams did. If the Chiefs’ D was so gassed, how come Andy Reid couldn’t call one of his three time outs to give them a breather? 20 some years in the league and Big Red still doesn’t know when and when not to call a time out. I was laughing at my tv last night when he didn't call timeout as the Pats were about to score in OT. It's guys like him that make Belichick look like a genius.
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 21, 2019 13:17:27 GMT
Both teams "have to be able to play defense." When you have two offensive juggernauts, only one team gets to even try in overtime. The Patriots defense could have just gone into the locker room after the coin toss. I thought the Patriots defense never came out of the locker room after halftime. Oh, indeed. Seems to me that Tommy Boy bailed out Belichick the defensive mastermind once again.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 21, 2019 13:31:18 GMT
I thought the Patriots defense never came out of the locker room after halftime. Oh, indeed. Seems to me that Tommy Boy bailed out Belichick the defensive mastermind once again. I hate to complain about a team going to its millionth Super Bowl, but it needs to be said: that defense was atrocious in the second half. Credit where it's due, they were great in the first half...but they gave up 31 points in the second half alone. Hell, the Pats took the lead with 39 seconds left and the game still went to overtime! The coin toss was arguably the biggest play of the game. What drives me insane is if the Pats lost this game, all the talk would've been about how Brady is too old because he threw that bonehead pick in the end zone. Nobody, and I mean nobody would be discussing that terrible defense. Brady is throwing into tight windows all night long, and you look at the highlights and every Chiefs scoring play is a pass to a guy without a defender within ten yards of him. It makes you wonder if the outcome would've been any different with no head coach or DC at all. Again, those guys played their asses off in the first half, no question about it. I texted a buddy at the half and told him this was exactly what happened in week 6 and it turned into a shootout in the second half, so what happened last night was no surprise to me. Brady wasn't perfect last night, that's for sure. He'd deserve some criticism if they had lost. The problem is, he'll get it while Belichick somehow coasts on this reputation built by Brady. 39 seconds and they couldn't get a stop. Somehow this team is going to the Super Bowl! Thanks Tom, thanks OT rules, thanks Slater for calling heads!
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 21, 2019 14:29:32 GMT
I was perfectly fine with sudden death. The most fair way would be an extra quarter. Maybe 5 or 10 minutes just to expedite things. I don’t agree that the coin toss determined the winner yesterday tho. The Pats still drive like what 76 yards and scored a touchdown. With the Super Bowl on the line the Chiefs D didn’t show up...or was run down since the offense didn’t show up for so long.However you wanna look at it. Yeah, I feel like it's simple enough to just out more time on the clock and play it. A quarter is 15 mins, so half of that time would make sense. And if you can make your one possession last for 7 mins and end it on a score then the other team doesn't get to play offense still, but it certainly would seem more fair to me. But the NFL seems to like the walk-off,Tebow style, long play for some reason.
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