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Post by mikef6 on Jan 22, 2019 19:14:25 GMT
Awards and nominations to minorities or women are always "political correctness." African-Americas or females could never possibly produce any thing of value - at least that's what the "political correctness" crowd believes (it is also called "conservatism"). That is all "political correctness" means, that only white males ever deserve recognition. This is a basic belief of the right-wing. Be gentle...its a bad year for them...the nominations are a film with a mainly black cast, a film starring a gay activist, a film about Mexicans, a film starring 3 women that contains lesbianism, a less than flattering depiction of some famous Republicans, a biopic of a gay rock star, a film about a friendship between a white and black man, a film about a black man and a Jew infiltrating the KKK. IT'S POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD!!! It brings a tear to my eye - you know, that movie tear that only comes from one eye and rolls all the way down the side of the face. Poor babies. Conservatives are such delicate blossoms.
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Post by HumanFundRecipient on Jan 22, 2019 19:38:19 GMT
Be gentle...its a bad year for them...the nominations are a film with a mainly black cast, a film starring a gay activist, a film about Mexicans, a film starring 3 women that contains lesbianism, a less than flattering depiction of some famous Republicans, a biopic of a gay rock star, a film about a friendship between a white and black man, a film about a black man and a Jew infiltrating the KKK. IT'S POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD!!! It brings a tear to my eye - you know, that movie tear that only comes from one eye and rolls all the way down the side of the face. Poor babies. Conservatives are such delicate blossoms. And it ends with, "I'm not gonna watch anyway". Out of movies I saw from 2018, I'm not pleased that Blindspotting and Annihilation got left out.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 22, 2019 20:16:51 GMT
Only one I've seen is Bohemian Rhapsody. But I'll see them all. I've seen every Best Picture nominee but three. And Call Me By Your Name. Please quit with the "Coming of age" films. Had no plans to see Black Panther, but I guess I have to.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 22, 2019 21:03:57 GMT
It's surprising to see Black Panther on the list given how little publicity it had.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 22, 2019 21:33:18 GMT
I hope The Favourite doesn'twinanything, I hate that film. Those usually do gangbusters.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jan 22, 2019 22:01:05 GMT
This might be the worst Oscar nominee list I’ve ever seen.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 22, 2019 22:02:38 GMT
They've had filler nominations for populist blockbusters before that Black Panther is at the least on the same level as. Hell, Bohemian Rhapsody is a populist nod. It got barely passing reviews but it's in there because it's a box office juggernaut with a great lead performance. And if you hate liberal agendas, Vice also got mediocre reviews, but it's an attack on the Bush administration so theres your BP nod. At least critics and audiences both actually liked Black Panther. But no, let's attack it because *gulp* it resonated with people and the Academy did their job in acknowledging movies that resonate with people! And it took so many spots for great movies, like... um... (Oh yeah, it's such a sh*t year for film that the Academy could only muster 8 nominations out of their 10 limit) At this point I'm hoping it wins just to piss people off more.
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Post by sostie on Jan 22, 2019 23:24:09 GMT
(Oh yeah, it's such a sh*t year for film that the Academy could only muster 8 nominations out of their 10 limit) At this point I'm hoping it wins just to piss people off more. It doesn't quite work like that....only 8 films got the minimum 5% of the vote. It's not that they didn't think there were 10 films worthy...it's how the vote share worked out.
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Post by rudeboy on Jan 23, 2019 1:09:45 GMT
I don't remotely consider Black Panther to be worthy of a Best Picture Oscar but the Oscars have always been more about timing and about capturing the zeitgeist foremost, quality second so a win would not be inappropriate. Of course, with nothing above the line other than Best Picture, and even missing a couple of the more high profile craft categories (editing, cinematography) its chances are pretty slim.
Of the Best Picture nominees I have also seen Roma (which is decent but wildly overpraised), BlacKkKlansmsn, which I enjoyed a lot, and A Star is Born, which I disliked quite strongly.
A shame they boxed out Ethan Hawke's outstanding work in First Reformed. He had by far the strongest run of critics awards of any performer in any category, so I felt sure they'd make room for him.
My two favourite film son 2018, with of course an awful lot to see, are Shoplifters - which was lucky enough to pull of a Foreign Language nod (finally a Koreeda movie is recognised!) and Burning, which made the shortlist of nine but not the final five. Nothing I have seen to date which is up for major category Oscars can touch them.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 23, 2019 1:13:06 GMT
(Oh yeah, it's such a sh*t year for film that the Academy could only muster 8 nominations out of their 10 limit) At this point I'm hoping it wins just to piss people off more. It doesn't quite work like that....only 8 films got the minimum 5% of the vote. It's not that they didn't think there were 10 films worthy...it's how the vote share worked out. There can be up to 10 nominations if 10 (or more) get 5% of the vote. There were only 8 that could get to 5%. So it's exactly what I said. If it were a good year for film, there'd at least be a 9th spot 5% could agree on like all but two of the years since that rule was implemented. Don't split hairs.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 23, 2019 1:13:36 GMT
I don't remotely consider Black Panther to be worthy of a Best Picture Oscar but the Oscars have always been more about timing and about capturing the zeitgeist foremost, quality second so a win would not be inappropriate. Of course, with nothing above the line other than Best Picture, and even missing a couple of the more high profile craft categories (editing, cinematography) its chances are pretty slim. Of the Best Picture nominees I have also seen Roma (which is decent but wildly overpraised), BlacKkKlansmsn, which I enjoyed a lot, and A Star is Born, which I disliked quite strongly. A shame they boxed out Ethan Hawke's outstanding work in First Reformed. He had by far the strongest run of critics awards of any performer in any category, so I felt sure they'd make room for him. I agree with a lot of what you wrote here.
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Post by sostie on Jan 23, 2019 1:31:53 GMT
It doesn't quite work like that....only 8 films got the minimum 5% of the vote. It's not that they didn't think there were 10 films worthy...it's how the vote share worked out. There can be up to 10 nominations if 10 (or more) get 5% of the vote. There were only 8 that could get to 5%. So it's exactly what I said. If it were a good year for film, there'd at least be a 9th spot 5% could agree on like all but two of the years since that rule was implemented. Don't split hairs. It's not splitting hairs. To say the Academy could only muster 8 nominations makes it sound as if they just pick 10 films. Which in a way they do by voting as individuals. But it doesn't mean there are only 8 great films. It could be a case of one or two films being so popular that it reduced the vote share of those below them. If there is a film with 20% popularity for example does that mean if there are 2 films whose share suffers because of a vote that size, they are not great, or that one film is just head and shoulders above the rest. It's not really a huge deal or uncommon...this is the 11th year since introducing the 10 nomination max, and in that time there have only been 10 nominations twice, and this is the third time there have been 8.
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Post by rudeboy on Jan 23, 2019 1:35:45 GMT
There can be up to 10 nominations if 10 (or more) get 5% of the vote. There were only 8 that could get to 5%. So it's exactly what I said. If it were a good year for film, there'd at least be a 9th spot 5% could agree on like all but two of the years since that rule was implemented. Don't split hairs. It's not splitting hairs. To say the Academy could only muster 8 nominations makes it sound as if they just pick 10 films. Which in a way they do by voting as individuals. But it doesn't mean there are only 8 great films. It could be a case of one or two films being so popular that it reduced the vote share of those below them. If there is a film with 20% popularity for example does that mean if there are 2 films whose share suffers because of a vote that size, they are not great, or that one film is just head and shoulders above the rest. It's not really a huge deal or uncommon...this is the 11th year since introducing the 10 nomination max, and in that time there have only been 10 nominations twice, and this is the third time there have been 8. For two years there was a set number of ten nominees. They introduced the '5-10' rule in the awards for films of 2011, so this is the eighth year of the current system. To date, there have always been either eight or nine nominees under this rule.
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Post by sostie on Jan 23, 2019 1:43:10 GMT
It's not splitting hairs. To say the Academy could only muster 8 nominations makes it sound as if they just pick 10 films. Which in a way they do by voting as individuals. But it doesn't mean there are only 8 great films. It could be a case of one or two films being so popular that it reduced the vote share of those below them. If there is a film with 20% popularity for example does that mean if there are 2 films whose share suffers because of a vote that size, they are not great, or that one film is just head and shoulders above the rest. It's not really a huge deal or uncommon...this is the 11th year since introducing the 10 nomination max, and in that time there have only been 10 nominations twice, and this is the third time there have been 8. For two years there was a set number of ten nominees. So the it seems the only years there was 10 was when it HAD to be 10. . Yeah, I was 1 year off....counted the new noms as 2019 Awards
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 23, 2019 2:07:57 GMT
It's not splitting hairs. To say the Academy could only muster 8 nominations makes it sound as if they just pick 10 films. Which in a way they do by voting as individuals. But it doesn't mean there are only 8 great films. It could be a case of one or two films being so popular that it reduced the vote share of those below them. If there is a film with 20% popularity for example does that mean if there are 2 films whose share suffers because of a vote that size, they are not great, or that one film is just head and shoulders above the rest. It's not really a huge deal or uncommon...this is the 11th year since introducing the 10 nomination max, and in that time there have only been 10 nominations twice, and this is the third time there have been 8. For two years there was a set number of ten nominees. They introduced the '5-10' rule in the awards for films of 2011, so this is the eighth year of the current system. To date, there have always been either eight or nine nominees under this rule. Five years for 9, three years for eight, so it's a little less common. And of those two previous years, 2015, in my opinion, was another sh*tshow for film.
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Post by rudeboy on Jan 23, 2019 4:19:06 GMT
For two years there was a set number of ten nominees. So the it seems the only years there was 10 was when it HAD to be 10. Yup - which sometimes seems a shame. This year, based on nominations received by other films, the ninth and tenth contender would, most likely, have been two of If Beale Street Could Talk, Cold War and Can You Ever Forgive Me? - all of them critically praised efforts which could have used the Best Picture 'bump' a lot more than A Star is Born or Black Panther.
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Post by fartyfartsalot on Jan 23, 2019 4:43:07 GMT
Seems like an underwhelming year compared to last.
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Post by CookiesNCream on Jan 23, 2019 4:50:45 GMT
My thoughts:
I did not really expect Black Panther to land most of the categories including Best Picture. I do found it interesting how Black Panther also became the first superhero film to receive a BP nom outside of the technical categories, and how it's now also probably the third non-comedy/drama/biopic film to receive that kind of nomination under the last 5 years (Mad Max: Fury Road, Get Out). The movie probably won't win, but it is certainly a biggest surprise.
Now out of the rest of the BP nominations, I'm probably just the most disappointed with the fact that Bohemian Rhapsody ended up on there.
It's a shame that If Beale Street Could Talk didn't get a BP or BD nom at all.
The nominations for BlacKkKlansman seems like the biggest surprise for Spike Lee in a long time.
Roma is probably the first Netflix film to ever receive the most nominations so far. Nice!
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 23, 2019 4:54:44 GMT
Well Black Panther is the only one I’ve seen in the Best Picture category, but I don’t necessarily agree it being there. And GODDAMN IT! No Toni Collette for Best Actress?! What a snub. I never understood why people thought she even had a shot. To be nominated, enough voters would need to watch a movie that a lot of horror movie lovers thought was scary & disturbing. She did not have a shot unless people who didn;t watch the movie lied and assumed her performance was worthy enough.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 23, 2019 4:56:38 GMT
Just to show how blatantly obvious it is that Black Panther was a throwaway nomination: Black panther is the only film in the Best Picture catergory to not get any other nominations in the main categories. That means Black Panther didn't have any cast members considered worthy for Best Actor/Actresses or Best Supporting Actor/Actress. The story wasn't worthy of being picked for Best Adapated Screenplay. The camerawork was not good enough to be selected for Best Cinematography. The editing wasn't good enough to be picked for Best Film Editing. The direction wasn't good enough for Coogler to be nominated for Best Director. I think the notion of a Best Picture needing the other nominations is idiotic. That said, Black Panther is praised primarily for it's themes, it's art direction, and Michael B Jordan, so it's silly he wasn't nominated.
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