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Post by Vits on Jan 23, 2019 11:07:30 GMT
but the Oscars have always been more about timing and about capturing the zeitgeist foremost, quality second Then why have so many box office hits and/or movies with topical stories not been nominated? And I don't mean just this year. |
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Post by rudeboy on Jan 23, 2019 13:35:45 GMT
but the Oscars have always been more about timing and about capturing the zeitgeist foremost, quality second Then why have so many box office hits and/or movies with topical stories not been nominated? And I don't mean just this year. Well clearly there's a balance and obviously they cannot recognise every topical or successful film which is released in a given year. They tend to shy away from totally panned films, although films such as Bohemian Rhapsody or Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close sometimes overcome poor reviews and slip in due to box office or subject matter. They rarely win, though. But Oscar history has often seen Best Picture nominations and wins go to the biggest, or at least one of the biggest box office successes of the year. I recently saw the list of the top ten highest grossing films of all-time (adjusted for inflation) of which only The Force Awakens, at no. 10, was not nominated for Best Picture. If the most highly regarded films of the year were regularly rewarded we would not be looking at Roma as, potentially, the first foreign language film to win the top prize. |
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Post by mikef6 on Jan 23, 2019 15:28:32 GMT
I hope The Favourite doesn'twinanything, I hate that film. You are virtually alone with that opinion and you are welcome to it. It's all yours. |
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Post by rudeboy on Jan 24, 2019 2:19:11 GMT
Well clearly there's a balance and obviously they cannot recognise every topical or successful film which is released in a given year. They tend to shy away from totally panned films, although films such as Bohemian Rhapsody or Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close sometimes overcome poor reviews and slip in due to box office or subject matter. They rarely win, though. But Oscar history has often seen Best Picture nominations and wins go to the biggest, or at least one of the biggest box office successes of the year. I recently saw the list of the top ten highest grossing films of all-time (adjusted for inflation) of which only The Force Awakens, at no. 10, was not nominated for Best Picture. If the most highly regarded films of the year were regularly rewarded we would not be looking at Roma as, potentially, the first foreign language film to win the top prize. I haven't seen Roma yet. I have read too many mixed things and while visually it looks fantastic, I get a feeling that I would find it a bit detached and also flat emotionally and narrative wise.
Now, how I see these nominations, Roma is up for both picture and foreign film. If it is up for picture, it then should by default be the best foreign film as well. That really doesn't make it fair to the other contenders in the foreign category. If Roma for some reason doesn't win best foreign film, I would expect then that it will win picture. If it does win foreign film, then picture would be anyone's guess, Roma will also likely get the director nod as well, regardless of foreign film or picture.
4 of the 8 nominees don't have director nods and the 4 of them without director nods, are the more accessible, easygoing mainstream films. It could very well be a split year, just going by the director nods, which are for the more arthouse and unconventional style of film. The Academy has appeared like snobs in this respect. I think that is very shortsighted as well.
If Bohemian Rhapsody ends up winning the editing award and one or both of its sound nominations, then I would say it would highly likely be announced for actor and even picture as well. I think the editing award will also be the clincher for picture and action style films can often obtain an editing award nomination. Strange that Black Panther hasn't received a nod here.
is indeed visually beautiful. Aurally, too - the sound design is superb. But I found little to engage with for much of its length. There is virtually no character development - the kids in particular barely make an impression. It does have two or three memorable scenes but the praise being heaped on it and the frequent comparisons to Fellini or Antonioni is hugely out of proportion to its merits, I think. Under the older system of the foreign language category one of the other films could have stood a chance. But since voting was opened up to all members with no requirement to see all nominees, the film which has been most widely seen will win, which is of course Roma. Which is a shame, because Shoplifters, at least (I haven't seen the other three yet) is a considerably better film, and I would be delighted to see Koreeda with an Oscar. Bohemian Rhapsody doesn't have much of a shot at Best Picture - I doubt a film with no directing or writing nomination would have the support for a win. I do think it is the likely winner of best actor and editing is very possible. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 3:14:36 GMT
I haven't seen BlackKklansman, Bohemian Rhapsody or Roma yet, but so far it's a pretty crappy list for Best Picture noms.
And right now, since I have yet to see the other 3 mentioned, Green Book is the only good movie on that list. I enjoyed that movie, and I actually thought about buying it, but it doesn't deserve to be nominated for Best Picture.
And I guess Crazy Rich Asians wasn't nominated for anything this year because the Academy was already focused on appeasing the Black Community by nominating Black Panther for some awards. They'll save appeasing the Asian Community for another year...The Academy does BS like this a lot. Like when they gave 'The Artist' Best Picture and Best Director. They only did for nostalgia sake.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 24, 2019 3:24:26 GMT
This might be the worst Oscar nominee list I’ve ever seen. Don't worry-chances are it will be even worse next year. |
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Post by fartyfartsalot on Jan 24, 2019 3:37:15 GMT
What about "Widows"? That should have received a few.
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Post by James on Jan 24, 2019 3:42:53 GMT
Well Black Panther is the only one I’ve seen in the Best Picture category, but I don’t necessarily agree it being there. And GODDAMN IT! No Toni Collette for Best Actress?! What a snub. I never understood why people thought she even had a shot. To be nominated, enough voters would need to watch a movie that a lot of horror movie lovers thought was scary & disturbing. She did not have a shot unless people who didn;t watch the movie lied and assumed her performance was worthy enough. Well if Get Out could get nominated for multiple categories last year, any horror film should get nominated for at least one thing nowadays. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 24, 2019 4:27:21 GMT
I never understood why people thought she even had a shot. To be nominated, enough voters would need to watch a movie that a lot of horror movie lovers thought was scary & disturbing. She did not have a shot unless people who didn;t watch the movie lied and assumed her performance was worthy enough. Well if Get Out could get nominated for multiple categories last year, any horror film should get nominated for at least one thing nowadays. It's not about it just being a horror film, it's about level of discomfort. Lots of horror movies have had people nominated but enough of the voters had to have seen it and this didn't seem like a movie that generated buzz outside of the horror fan community which, while large, may not cross too many streams with the academy voters. She won a lot of critics awards which is great. |
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Post by Vits on Jan 24, 2019 11:13:58 GMT
I haven't seen BlackKklansman, Bohemian Rhapsody or Roma yet, but so far it's a pretty crappy list for Best Picture noms. And right now, since I have yet to see the other 3 mentioned, Green Book is the only good movie on that list. I enjoyed that movie, and I actually thought about buying it, but it doesn't deserve to be nominated for Best Picture. And I guess Crazy Rich Asians wasn't nominated for anything this year because the Academy was already focused on appeasing the Black Community by nominating Black Panther for some awards. They'll save appeasing the Asian Community for another year...The Academy does BS like this a lot. Like when they gave 'The Artist' Best Picture and Best Director. They only did for nostalgia sake. ToBlave? Is that you? What about "Widows"? That should have received a few. Yeah, it had a lot of buzz before its release, but then it became almost absent during this award season. Same thing with FIRST MAN. I.M.H.O. both movies deserved a Best Directing nomination over COLD WAR and especially VICE. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 16:50:43 GMT
I haven't seen BlackKklansman, Bohemian Rhapsody or Roma yet, but so far it's a pretty crappy list for Best Picture noms. And right now, since I have yet to see the other 3 mentioned, Green Book is the only good movie on that list. I enjoyed that movie, and I actually thought about buying it, but it doesn't deserve to be nominated for Best Picture. And I guess Crazy Rich Asians wasn't nominated for anything this year because the Academy was already focused on appeasing the Black Community by nominating Black Panther for some awards. They'll save appeasing the Asian Community for another year...The Academy does BS like this a lot. Like when they gave 'The Artist' Best Picture and Best Director. They only did for nostalgia sake. ToBlave? Is that you? What about "Widows"? That should have received a few. Yeah, it had a lot of buzz before its release, but then it became almost absent during this award season. Same thing with FIRST MAN. I.M.H.O. both movies deserved a Best Directing nomination over COLD WAR and especially VICE. Not you...............  |
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Post by James on Jan 24, 2019 18:07:22 GMT
Well if Get Out could get nominated for multiple categories last year, any horror film should get nominated for at least one thing nowadays. It's not about it just being a horror film, it's about level of discomfort. Lots of horror movies have had people nominated but enough of the voters had to have seen it and this didn't seem like a movie that generated buzz outside of the horror fan community which, while large, may not cross too many streams with the academy voters. She won a lot of critics awards which is great. Well I think all genres should be recognized by the Academy in an equal way. Critics awards are about as far as she’ll get unfortunately. Btw, I just searched her up and the only time Collette was nominated for an Oscar was Sixth Sense (which might I add is also horror), back in ‘99/‘00. She needed this win! |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 24, 2019 18:51:33 GMT
It's not about it just being a horror film, it's about level of discomfort. Lots of horror movies have had people nominated but enough of the voters had to have seen it and this didn't seem like a movie that generated buzz outside of the horror fan community which, while large, may not cross too many streams with the academy voters. She won a lot of critics awards which is great. Well I think all genres should be recognized by the Academy in an equal way. Critics awards are about as far as she’ll get unfortunately. Btw, I just searched her up and the only time Collette was nominated for an Oscar was Sixth Sense (which might I add is also horror), back in ‘99/‘00. She needed this win! Well in a perfect world the voters would be required to watch all screeners but that isn’t realistic. |
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