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Post by moviemouth on Jan 25, 2019 0:22:43 GMT
Mandy was released on VOD on Friday, September 14th. On the same day the film began showing at the Laemmle Monica Film Theater in Santa Monica, LA County. It ran for seven days, finishing on Thursday, September 20th. So from this, it would appear that Mandy would have been eligible, at least according to the online guidelines. But the reality was apparently contained in the comment on IndieWire, where it was stated to be eligible the film needs to have been “released in one week in Los Angeles with a minimum of three screenings per day.”
Mandy did not meet this requirement.  I don't think it would have been nominated even if it had been eligible though. |
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Post by Vits on Jan 25, 2019 0:23:29 GMT
I understand what Toasted Cheese is saying. He is saying that Hereditary was shut out because it is a horror movie that has no sjw agenda, and everybody know that the Academy has a bias against horror movies. Get Out was ONLY nominated because it is a sjw movie. Ahhh... OK, you can understand my confusion, right? T.C.'s post seemed like he was calling HEREDITARY an S.J.W. movie. With that out of the way... All of that is wrong. No, I didn't mean "I disagree with your opinion." You stated something that it's factually wrong. While there are some horror movies that were good enough to deserve a nomination and didn't, it's impossible for there to be a bias. Otherwise, no horror movie would've been nominated, let alone won. Biased people don't do exceptions, because they're already too blind-sided by their emotional reaction to begin with. GET OUT was a very well-made movie that didn't just rely on acknowledging that racism exist; it used it as subtext. Actually, I doubt that the intention was for the viewer to come out of the theatre pondering how wrong is it to discriminate, because the movie didn't even focus on racism that much (so could it be a S.J.W. movie?); it focused on ignorance. The way that a person can try so hard not to be racist that they still end up generalizing and offending. Did it have flaws? Sure (mostly the final part), but so did HEREDITARY for that matter. So did every single movie ever made. What makes a movie good isn't that the audience doesn't see the flaws, but rather that the good aspects feel like they're outweighing the bad ones. Since that comes down to what the viewer gets from the movie, it's subjective. If the bad aspects bothered you so much that they outweighed the good ones, you're not wrong in disliking GET OUT... but to claim that someone would only call it one of the best of the year with a hidden reason? And with a derogatory term like S.J.W.? That's disrespectful. |
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Post by Vits on Jan 25, 2019 0:27:01 GMT
I don't think it would have been nominated even if it had been eligible though. I think you're right. MANDY has received very few nominations throughout the season. The only "big one" has been the Independent Spirit Awards... and even there it wasn't nominated for Best Score. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 25, 2019 0:30:33 GMT
I understand what Toasted Cheese is saying. He is saying that Hereditary was shut out because it is a horror movie that has no sjw agenda, and everybody know that the Academy has a bias against horror movies. Get Out was ONLY nominated because it is a sjw movie. Ahhh... OK, you can understand my confusion, right? T.C.'s post seemed like he was calling HEREDITARY an S.J.W. movie. With that out of the way... All of that is wrong. No, I didn't mean "I disagree with your opinion." You stated something that it's factually wrong. While there are some horror movies that were good enough to deserve a nomination and didn't, it's impossible for there to be a bias. Otherwise, no horror movie would've been nominated, let alone won. Biased people don't do exceptions, because they're already too blind-sided by their emotional reaction to begin with. GET OUT was a very well-made movie that didn't just rely on acknowledging that racism exist; it used it as subtext. Actually, I doubt that the intention was for the viewer to come out of the theatre pondering how wrong is it to discriminate, because the movie didn't even focus on racism that much (so could it be a S.J.W. movie?); it focused on ignorance. The way that a person can try so hard not to be racist that they still end up generalizing and offending. Did it have flaws? Sure (mostly the final part), but so did HEREDITARY for that matter. So did every single movie ever made. What makes a movie good isn't that the audience doesn't see the flaws, but rather that the good aspects feel like they're outweighing the bad ones. Since that comes down to what the viewer gets from the movie, it's subjective. If the bad aspects bothered you so much that they outweighed the good ones, you're not wrong in disliking GET OUT... but to claim that someone would only call it one of the best of the year with a hidden reason? And with a derogatory term like S.J.W.? That's disrespectful. I don't really understand your confusion. Get Out would have NEVER have been nominated without the race aspect. NEVER. Do you know how many horror movies have been nominated for Oscars (even a technical nomination) since 1970? Something like 10. This shows a clear bias against the genre. Bias people do make exceptions. I know this because I have biases and I have made exceptions. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 25, 2019 1:12:13 GMT
Well, in this case, you haven't put much thought into it. Usually when people go out of their way to not answer a question is because they can't. It's more noteworthy in a forum where you waste time and space writing things like this that you could've used just answering. No, it's because I can't be bothered telling you something you are just going to be on denial about, regardless of what I say or justify. The fact that you had to ask me, means you just don't get it, or want too. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jan 25, 2019 1:19:23 GMT
Ahhh... OK, you can understand my confusion, right? T.C.'s post seemed like he was calling HEREDITARY an S.J.W. movie. With that out of the way... All of that is wrong. No, I didn't mean "I disagree with your opinion." You stated something that it's factually wrong. While there are some horror movies that were good enough to deserve a nomination and didn't, it's impossible for there to be a bias. Otherwise, no horror movie would've been nominated, let alone won. Biased people don't do exceptions, because they're already too blind-sided by their emotional reaction to begin with. GET OUT was a very well-made movie that didn't just rely on acknowledging that racism exist; it used it as subtext. Actually, I doubt that the intention was for the viewer to come out of the theatre pondering how wrong is it to discriminate, because the movie didn't even focus on racism that much (so could it be a S.J.W. movie?); it focused on ignorance. The way that a person can try so hard not to be racist that they still end up generalizing and offending. Did it have flaws? Sure (mostly the final part), but so did HEREDITARY for that matter. So did every single movie ever made. What makes a movie good isn't that the audience doesn't see the flaws, but rather that the good aspects feel like they're outweighing the bad ones. Since that comes down to what the viewer gets from the movie, it's subjective. If the bad aspects bothered you so much that they outweighed the good ones, you're not wrong in disliking GET OUT... but to claim that someone would only call it one of the best of the year with a hidden reason? And with a derogatory term like S.J.W.? That's disrespectful. I don't really understand your confusion. Get Out would have NEVER have been nominated without the race aspect. NEVER. You mean Get Out wouldn’t have been nominated if it would’ve had a completely different theme, plot, etc...? Oh really? |
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 25, 2019 1:22:41 GMT
I don't really understand your confusion. Get Out would have NEVER have been nominated without the race aspect. NEVER. You mean Get Out wouldn’t have been nominated if it would’ve had a completely different theme, plot, etc...? Oh really? I see what you are doing. I am saying that in order for a horror movie to be nominated it has to be made at the right time, rather than just being a great movie on it's own terms. Get Out happens to be about race at a time when it is a hot button issue and that is the only reason it was noticed by the Academy. Get Out could have a similar plot without the race aspect. How many Oscars was It Follows nominated for again? That movie deals in interesting and powerful themes, it was popular and praised by critics across the board and it didn't even receive one nomination. I guess they figured that John Williams needed a 60th score nomination. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jan 25, 2019 1:30:37 GMT
You mean Get Out wouldn’t have been nominated if it would’ve had a completely different theme, plot, etc...? Oh really? I'm not really sure what you are getting at. Saying Get Out wouldn’t have been nominated without the “race aspect” is like saying it wouldn’t have been nominated if it would have been a completely different movie. The “race aspect” is extremely important to the plot. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jan 25, 2019 1:32:07 GMT
You mean Get Out wouldn’t have been nominated if it would’ve had a completely different theme, plot, etc...? Oh really? Get Out could have a similar plot without the race aspect. Yeah, no. Remove the race aspect and you have a completely different movie. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 25, 2019 1:35:32 GMT
Get Out could have a similar plot without the race aspect. Yeah, no. Remove the race aspect and you have a completely different movie. I am saying that you could have a similar story without the race aspect. Girlfriend beds young men of any race to invite to her parent's house so that all the rich people can put themselves in the body of young people. Different themes, similar story. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 25, 2019 1:38:06 GMT
I'm not really sure what you are getting at. Saying Get Out wouldn’t have been nominated without the “race aspect” is like saying it wouldn’t have been nominated if it would have been a completely different movie. The “race aspect” is extremely important to the plot. That is my whole point. The race aspect is the only reason it was nominated. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jan 25, 2019 1:47:00 GMT
Saying Get Out wouldn’t have been nominated without the “race aspect” is like saying it wouldn’t have been nominated if it would have been a completely different movie. The “race aspect” is extremely important to the plot. That is my whole point. The race aspect is the only reason it was nominated. ...and the race aspect is one of the great things about the movie. So it makes sense I guess. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 25, 2019 1:52:22 GMT
That is my whole point. The race aspect is the only reason it was nominated. ...and the race aspect is one of the great things about the movie. So it makes sense I guess. I am not saying it doesn't deserve the nominations. I am saying that in order for a horror movie to receive any recognition it has to be about race a couple years after #OscarsSoWhite and/or be a pop culture phenomenon. I am not just talking about the main categories either. Horror movies are hardly ever recognized in any category. I could be wrong and maybe Get Out would have been deservedly nominated for a bunch of Oscars in 2009, but I doubt it. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jan 25, 2019 3:00:24 GMT
...and the race aspect is one of the great things about the movie. So it makes sense I guess. I am not saying it doesn't deserve the nominations. I am saying that in order for a horror movie to receive any recognition it has to be about race a couple years after #OscarsSoWhite or be a pop culture phenomenon. I am not just talking about the main categories either. Horror movies are hardly ever recognized in any category. I could be wrong and maybe Get Out would have been deservedly nominated for a bunch of Oscars in 2009, but I doubt it. Honestly I’m not sure if Get Out deserved its nom, I just get tired of people saying it got all of its praise because of race. It’s a very well-made and clever movie. It seems most of the people who say it was praised only because of race don’t get the racial subtexts. They think the movie is far more simple and shallow than it really is. There’s far more to the race aspect than they think. There’s some clever stuff in there. Anyway I agree with you about the Oscars and horror. There is clearly a bias against horror. Probably because a lot of it is cheap and trashy, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t great well-made horror movies. There are many horror movies throughout the years that should have been nominated. For example Toni Collette definitely should have been nominated for her performance in Hereditary. I find it absolutely ridiculous that she wasn’t nominated. I also agree with you that It Follows is a fantastic horror movie with an Oscar nom worthy score. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 25, 2019 3:26:51 GMT
I wouldn't have asked you without thinking about it first. I understand what Toasted Cheese is saying. He is saying that Hereditary was shut out because it is a horror movie that has no sjw agenda, and everybody know that the Academy has a bias against horror movies. Get Out was ONLY nominated for Oscars because it is a sjw movie. And there were no main black roles in Herditary either...  |
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 25, 2019 3:49:06 GMT
I am not saying it doesn't deserve the nominations. I am saying that in order for a horror movie to receive any recognition it has to be about race a couple years after #OscarsSoWhite or be a pop culture phenomenon. I am not just talking about the main categories either. Horror movies are hardly ever recognized in any category. I could be wrong and maybe Get Out would have been deservedly nominated for a bunch of Oscars in 2009, but I doubt it. Honestly I’m not sure if Get Out deserved its nom, I just get tired of people saying it got all of its praise because of race. It’s a very well-made and clever movie. It seems most of the people who say it was praised only because of race don’t get the racial subtexts. They think the movie is far more simple and shallow than it really is. There’s far more to the race aspect than they think. There’s some clever stuff in there. Anyway I agree with you about the Oscars and horror. There is clearly a bias against horror. Probably because a lot of it is cheap and trashy, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t great well-made horror movies. There are many horror movies throughout the years that should have been nominated. For example Toni Collette definitely should have been nominated for her performance in Hereditary. I find it absolutely ridiculous that she wasn’t nominated. I also agree with you that It Follows is a fantastic horror movie with an Oscar nom worthy score. I am actually not a fan of It Follows (it just doesn't do much for me personally), but my dislike of the movie doesn't change the fact that it was praised by critics and that it isn't an empty-headed trashy horror movie. I definitely think the score deserved a nomination over John Williams's lazy nomination though. I was just using it as an example of a horror movie that is considered terrific and was completely ignored by the Oscars. |
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Post by Morgana on Jan 25, 2019 7:39:53 GMT
Won't you be my Neighbor and Three Identical Strangers not being nominated for best documentary was just tragic. I'm dumbfounded. I agree about Three Identical Strangers. Haven't seen Won't you by my Neighbor so I can't comment on it. |
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Post by Morgana on Jan 25, 2019 7:46:17 GMT
The bias and sjw moral stance of the Academy is becoming more and more apparent. What can we do? Not watch? |
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Post by Vits on Jan 25, 2019 11:33:31 GMT
Do you know how many horror movies have been nominated for Oscars (even a technical nomination) since 1970? Something like 10. And how many of those were S.J.W. movies? The fact that you had to ask me, means you just don't get it, or want too. Or that you didn't phrase it well. I guess they figured that John Williams needed a 60th score nomination. So the Academy shouldn't nominate someone who has already been nominated many times in order to give room to newcomers? Wouldn't that be biased? Girlfriend beds young men of any race to invite to her parent's house so that all the rich people can put themselves in the body of young people. Different themes, similar story. Please, be careful. Not everyone here has seen the movie. Also, that's a very shallow way to sum up the movie. They didn't just want young people; they wanted black people due to the notion that they're better than white people physically and that they'll age better. There are also many other scenes like CHRIS using cotton to save his life and ROSE arguing with the cop seemingly to call him out on his racism but actually to save her own ass. They wouldn't work if you take the race out of the equation. I am saying that in order for a horror movie to receive any recognition it has to be about race a couple years after #OscarsSoWhite #OscarsSoWhite happened at the best of 2014 ceremony. The next year, it happened again. Did the voters not realized that there was a controversy? No, they did, but they just voted on what they liked and it so happened to include no black people. That wasn't their fault; it was the industry's for not having enough job opportunities. And even during those 2 years, movies about black people were nominated. And, as was pointed out, that was the first time without black nominees since the late 90s (12 YEARS A SLAVE had won the year before). My point is that the voters don't get together in a room and collectively decide what to choose and not choose based on people's expectations. In fact, because of their system, they can't decide how many movies will be up for Best Picture (it'll depend on the percentage of votes). And there were no main black roles in Herditary either... Yeah, that's cute... but... A movie becomes a S.J.W. one just by having black roles? Not by having racial themes or messages? |
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 25, 2019 14:28:03 GMT
Do you know how many horror movies have been nominated for Oscars (even a technical nomination) since 1970? Something like 10. And how many of those were S.J.W. movies? The fact that you had to ask me, means you just don't get it, or want too. Or that you didn't phrase it well. I guess they figured that John Williams needed a 60th score nomination. So the Academy shouldn't nominate someone who has already been nominated many times in order to give room to newcomers? Wouldn't that be biased? Girlfriend beds young men of any race to invite to her parent's house so that all the rich people can put themselves in the body of young people. Different themes, similar story. Please, be careful. Not everyone here has seen the movie. Also, that's a very shallow way to sum up the movie. They didn't just want young people; they wanted black people due to the notion that they're better than white people physically and that they'll age better. There are also many other scenes like CHRIS using cotton to save his life and ROSE arguing with the cop seemingly to call him out on his racism but actually to save her own ass. They wouldn't work if you take the race out of the equation. I am saying that in order for a horror movie to receive any recognition it has to be about race a couple years after #OscarsSoWhite #OscarsSoWhite happened at the best of 2014 ceremony. The next year, it happened again. Did the voters not realized that there was a controversy? No, they did, but they just voted on what they liked and it so happened to include no black people. That wasn't their fault; it was the industry's for not having enough job opportunities. And even during those 2 years, movies about black people were nominated. And, as was pointed out, that was the first time without black nominees since the late 90s (12 YEARS A SLAVE had won the year before). My point is that the voters don't get together in a room and collectively decide what to choose and not choose based on people's expectations. In fact, because of their system, they can't decide how many movies will be up for Best Picture (it'll depend on the percentage of votes). And there were no main black roles in Herditary either... Yeah, that's cute... but... A movie becomes a S.J.W. one just by having black roles? Not by having racial themes or messages? Yes, I am aware of what happens in Get Out. |
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