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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 26, 2019 5:19:50 GMT
The fact that you had to ask me, means you just don't get it, or want too. Or that you didn't phrase it well. And there were no main black roles in Hereditary either...  Yeah, that's cute... but... A movie becomes a S.J.W. one just by having black roles? Not by having racial themes or messages? I'd say vits, as you are often apt to do, that you are not that great with context. One only need look at some of your film ratings and reviews.
This is what I said vits:
How you get out of this, that I was claiming Hereditary was a SJW movie, especially when I commented that it was the "best" horror film of the year and then went on to comment on the topic, is just highlighting your own obtuseness and not to mention obstinance in the discussion that has ensued.
A movie that gets award recognition just for specific themes and also fits the criteria of certain entitlements and agendas, DOES become about SJW pandering. Black KkKlansman anyone! If Black Panther wasn't largely staring African Americans and wasn't about Africa and showcasing a society in which females are supposedly seen as equal as males, would it have gotten its picture nod? Oh look, 2 best picture nominees with "black" in the title and themes relating to a race of people to go along with it. If Toni Collette was a black actress and gave the same performance in Hereditary and the film was directed by a black dude, would it have been given Academy recognition? Hmmmmm! The just mind boggles.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 26, 2019 5:40:39 GMT
Ahhh... OK, you can understand my confusion, right? T.C.'s post seemed like he was calling HEREDITARY an S.J.W. movie. With that out of the way... All of that is wrong. No, I didn't mean "I disagree with your opinion." You stated something that it's factually wrong. While there are some horror movies that were good enough to deserve a nomination and didn't, it's impossible for there to be a bias. Otherwise, no horror movie would've been nominated, let alone won. Biased people don't do exceptions, because they're already too blind-sided by their emotional reaction to begin with. GET OUT was a very well-made movie that didn't just rely on acknowledging that racism exist; it used it as subtext. Actually, I doubt that the intention was for the viewer to come out of the theatre pondering how wrong is it to discriminate, because the movie didn't even focus on racism that much (so could it be a S.J.W. movie?); it focused on ignorance. The way that a person can try so hard not to be racist that they still end up generalizing and offending. Did it have flaws? Sure (mostly the final part), but so did HEREDITARY for that matter. So did every single movie ever made. What makes a movie good isn't that the audience doesn't see the flaws, but rather that the good aspects feel like they're outweighing the bad ones. Since that comes down to what the viewer gets from the movie, it's subjective. If the bad aspects bothered you so much that they outweighed the good ones, you're not wrong in disliking GET OUT... but to claim that someone would only call it one of the best of the year with a hidden reason? And with a derogatory term like S.J.W.? That's disrespectful. I don't really understand your confusion. Get Out would have NEVER have been nominated without the race aspect. NEVER. Do you know how many horror movies have been nominated for Oscars (even a technical nomination) since 1970? Something like 10. This shows a clear bias against the genre. Bias people do make exceptions. I know this because I have biases and I have made exceptions. I guess many people are just too precious for horror. When they are done well, they are just films that are also showcasing the human condition and holding a mirror up to our faces. The mediocre Get Out did just that, but was underscored by a theme of racial bigotry and so that automatically makes it more important than most other horror films. 
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Post by hi224 on Jan 26, 2019 5:54:16 GMT
Hawke, Collette, Blunt, And Chazelle as well.
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Post by PresidentofChad on Jan 26, 2019 8:08:17 GMT
No CHADIAN films being nominated for best foreign language film is a disgrace.
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Post by Vits on Jan 26, 2019 10:56:57 GMT
A movie that gets award recognition just for specific themes and also fits the criteria of certain entitlements and agendas, DOES become about SJW pandering. Except that this movie didn't. I already went through it in previous posts. You didn't like it? If Black Panther wasn't largely staring African Americans and wasn't about Africa and showcasing a society in which females are supposedly seen as equal as males, would it have gotten its picture nod? We went through this with GET OUT. The movie couldn't exist without that. And what's with the "supposedly"? Oh look, 2 best picture nominees with "black" in the title and themes relating to a race of people to go along with it. Because Academy voters choose movies based on the title only? Also, IF BEALE STREET COULD TALK, THE HATE U GIVE, etc., didn't get nominated for Best Picture. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 27, 2019 0:21:03 GMT
A movie that gets award recognition just for specific themes and also fits the criteria of certain entitlements and agendas, DOES become about SJW pandering. Except that this movie didn't. I already went through it in previous posts. You didn't like it? If Black Panther wasn't largely staring African Americans and wasn't about Africa and showcasing a society in which females are supposedly seen as equal as males, would it have gotten its picture nod? We went through this with GET OUT. The movie couldn't exist without that. And what's with the "supposedly"? Oh look, 2 best picture nominees with "black" in the title and themes relating to a race of people to go along with it. Because Academy voters choose movies based on the title only? Also, IF BEALE STREET COULD TALK, THE HATE U GIVE, etc., didn't get nominated for Best Picture.
More deflection and denial mode vits.....
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 27, 2019 0:21:58 GMT
No CHADIAN films being nominated for best foreign language film is a disgrace. What were they about your eminence, the ones that weren't nominated?
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Post by charzhino on Jan 27, 2019 0:36:46 GMT
First Man not getting Best Score or Best Picture.
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Post by Vits on Jan 27, 2019 10:41:40 GMT
More deflection and denial mode vits.....
What do you mean? I didn't change the subject. I directly answered everything you said without disrespectful dismissals... unlike you. I think you're the one who's deflecting. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 27, 2019 10:50:32 GMT
More deflection and denial mode vits.....
What do you mean? I didn't change the subject. I directly answered everything you said without disrespectful dismissals... unlike you. I think you're the one who's deflecting. Now defensive mode, to along with the denial. You are not telling me anything vits. You just don't appear to get context at times. Sorry, but I can't you there. |
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Post by Vits on Jan 27, 2019 21:11:05 GMT
Now defensive mode, to along with the denial. You are not telling me anything vits. You just don't appear to get context at times. Sorry, but I can't you there. I'm not being defensive. It's as simple as you ignoring everything I said... which you're still doing. I'd let it go if it was a PM conversation, but it's a public thread. I don't want others to think you're that kind of user. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 27, 2019 21:16:37 GMT
Now defensive mode, to along with the denial. You are not telling me anything vits. You just don't appear to get context at times. Sorry, but I can't you there. I'm not being defensive. It's as simple as you ignoring everything I said... which you're still doing. I'd let it go if it was a PM conversation, but it's a public thread. I don't want others to think you're that kind of user. Now it has become about others. This is about your comments and my own responses to them. Why would it matter to you what others think of me? That is not your concern, or vice versa. It doesn't matter to me what others think of you either. |
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Post by bd74 on Jan 27, 2019 21:59:27 GMT
THE most surprising was the snubs of Emily Blunt in both the Best Actress and Best Supporting Actress categories.
The absence of people like Toni Collette and Ethan Hawke were NOT snubs at all. They weren't expected to land Oscar nominations anyway. The only precursors where either one was recognized was at the Critics' Choice awards.
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Post by Vits on Jan 27, 2019 23:51:12 GMT
This is about your comments and my own responses to them. Or the lack of them, actually. Calm down. No need to get defensive. We're just talking. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 28, 2019 1:34:36 GMT
This is about your comments and my own responses to them. Or the lack of them, actually. Calm down. No need to get defensive. We're just talking. Whatever vits!
No need to get all passive aggressive, just because you have an inflexible mindset and have prideful indignation. You love to play devil's advocate, but the thing is, you are not very smart at it and therefore transparent and shallow.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 28, 2019 10:09:47 GMT
THE most surprising was the snubs of Emily Blunt in both the Best Actress and Best Supporting Actress categories. The absence of people like Toni Collette and Ethan Hawke were NOT snubs at all. They weren't expected to land Oscar nominations anyway. The only precursors where either one was recognized was at the Critics' Choice awards. And some actors do get nods, even if unexpected. I haven't seen A Quiet Place, but I don't think Blunt was that deserving of a Best Actress nod for MPR. Julie Andrews was fine in MP, but was she really a worthy winner. |
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Post by Vits on Jan 28, 2019 11:58:31 GMT
You love to play devil's advocate Who's the devil in this situation? Even if you don't like the movies we're talking about (and you're the minority), they're not doing anything wrong to anyone. Geez... You still haven't answered me. This is amazing! A whole new level of deflection and denial! Don't worry. Unlike you, I'm patient. Whenever you're ready to continue the conversation in a civil manner, I'll be ready. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 28, 2019 12:10:42 GMT
You love to play devil's advocate Who's the devil in this situation? Even if you don't like the movies we're talking about (and you're the minority), they're not doing anything wrong to anyone.Geez... You still haven't answered me. This is amazing! A whole new level of deflection and denial! Don't worry. Unlike you, I'm patient. Whenever you're ready to continue the conversation in a civil manner, I'll be ready.
This is a childish response.
Regarding whatever it is you want to tell me or discuss on this thread, you have nothing to offer me that will resonate and I have nothing to tell you that you want to hear.
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Post by Vits on Jan 28, 2019 16:10:05 GMT
This is a childish response. It's childish to point out how a popular expression doesn't apply to this situation by the use of logic, which if you had used you would've realized that it doesn't apply? Regarding whatever it is you want to tell me or discuss on this thread, you have nothing to offer me that will resonate and I have nothing to tell you that you want to hear. I guess we'll never know if you don't try. Also, if you're that concerned about what I want to hear read, why do yo continue to avoid answering? |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 28, 2019 16:59:34 GMT
I don't know if its the MOST surprising but Emily Blunt had a great fucking year and got totally snubbed. Her performance in A Quiet Place is top notch. Have anyone else try doing a pregnancy scene while she has to be silent and see if it convinces as much as she did. Then Mary Poppins Returns... she sings, she dances, she stays in character, and she makes you forget about Julie Andrews. No easy feat. Others have been nominated for less! They don't have to give her the win, but one nomination for either would've been nice.
Name another young actor who works as hard as Michael B. Jordan has on both Creed movies.
Also, I know the industry at large is staying away from Bryan Singer because of accusations, but a movie (Bohemian Rhapsody) just doesn't direct itself. |
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