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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 25, 2019 21:35:04 GMT
Steve Rogers' life in the 1940s: No video recorders No microwave ovens No MRIs No GPS No mobile phones No voicemail No E-mail No digital cameras No Internet Steve Rogers' life in the 2010s: Video Recorders Microwave ovens MRIs GPS Mobile Phones Voicemail E-mail Digital Cameras Internet Looks life Steve Rogers' life has gotten much better since he woke up in 2011. Hardly an sacrifice at all. And like I've said before, claiming that Steve Rogers (who now lives in a world with many technological and medical advances that weren't available in the 1940s) made a sacrifice is an insult to the soldiers who actually lost their lives or limbs in World War II and other wars. Steve Rogers not only didn't make a sacrifice, but Steve Rogers life has actually improved a hell of a lot since he woke up in 2011.He sacrificed a life together with the woman of his dreams. Were Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter married or engaged? They just had 1 date together. That hardly counts as "a life together". Plus, Steve Rogers didn't just wake up in 2011 as a 90-year-old man. He's still in his 20s so he still has a chance to meet plenty of other woman and have a life. Unlike all the soldiers who actually lost their lives in World War II. Like I said before, claiming that Steve Rogers (who now lives in a world with many technological and medical advances that weren't available in the 1940s) made a sacrifice is an insult to the soldiers who actually lost their lives or limbs in World War II and other wars. Steve Rogers not only didn't make a sacrifice, but Steve Rogers life has actually improved a hell of a lot since he woke up in 2011.
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Post by sostie on Jan 25, 2019 22:08:19 GMT
He sacrificed a life together with the woman of his dreams. Were Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter married or engaged? They just had 1 date together. That hardly counts as "a life together". Plus, Steve Rogers didn't just wake up in 2011 as a 90-year-old man. He's still in his 20s so he still has a chance to meet plenty of other woman and have a life. Unlike all the soldiers who actually lost their lives in World War II. Like I said before, claiming that Steve Rogers (who now lives in a world with many technological and medical advances that weren't available in the 1940s) made a sacrifice is an insult to the soldiers who actually lost their lives or limbs in World War II and other wars. Steve Rogers not only didn't make a sacrifice, but Steve Rogers life has actually improved a hell of a lot since he woke up in 2011.Look..let's ex[plain this to you once more shall we. It might get through. The only time the description of "sacrifice" results in a definite death is when someone sacrifices another person or animal. When an individual makes a sacrifice it is to "give up (something valued) for the sake of other consideration". Steve Rogers thought he was giving his life to save others. Steve Trevor thought he was giving his life to save others. A sacrifice in both cases. Regardless of whether they survived or not. I guess Ripley didn't sacrifice herself in Alien 3 then. Or Spock in Wrath Of Khan. Batman in Dark Knight Returns. Superman in BvS That Rogers was frozen and Trevor apparantley dies is neither here nor there. If Trevor comes back it is no different to Rogers coming back. It's got fuck all to do with what the world is like when hey return. You are just sticking to this flimsy interpretation of the act because you know if Trevor does come back it is yet another of the many examples of DCEU doing something you criticised MCU for doing previously. You are making yourself look very very stupid
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 25, 2019 22:41:12 GMT
He sacrificed a life together with the woman of his dreams. Were Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter married or engaged? They just had 1 date together. That hardly counts as "a life together". Plus, Steve Rogers didn't just wake up in 2011 as a 90-year-old man. He's still in his 20s so he still has a chance to meet plenty of other woman and have a life. Unlike all the soldiers who actually lost their lives in World War II. Like I said before, claiming that Steve Rogers (who now lives in a world with many technological and medical advances that weren't available in the 1940s) made a sacrifice is an insult to the soldiers who actually lost their lives or limbs in World War II and other wars. Steve Rogers not only didn't make a sacrifice, but Steve Rogers life has actually improved a hell of a lot since he woke up in 2011.You are a broken record. Repeating the same shit over and over again doesn't make it any more true.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 25, 2019 23:34:22 GMT
I agree with Hauntedknight87 and Lord Death Man that the character should have been left dead, but if they had to bring him back, yeah, resurrection is probably the best way to go. Someone here (I think it might have been politicidal?) said he, or a duplicate, should be brought back by the villain, Hades or Ares or some other god, to tempt WW into forgetting her responsibilities or something. I thought and still think that would be a grand way for them to have their cake and eat it too: bring the character back but also not shortchange his sacrifice at the end of the movie. Well Pine said he’s not gonna be in part 3. So whatever happens here won’t be permanent. He’s clearly dead by Justice League.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 26, 2019 11:56:45 GMT
Were Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter married or engaged? They just had 1 date together. That hardly counts as "a life together". Plus, Steve Rogers didn't just wake up in 2011 as a 90-year-old man. He's still in his 20s so he still has a chance to meet plenty of other woman and have a life. Unlike all the soldiers who actually lost their lives in World War II. Like I said before, claiming that Steve Rogers (who now lives in a world with many technological and medical advances that weren't available in the 1940s) made a sacrifice is an insult to the soldiers who actually lost their lives or limbs in World War II and other wars. Steve Rogers not only didn't make a sacrifice, but Steve Rogers life has actually improved a hell of a lot since he woke up in 2011.Look..let's ex[plain this to you once more shall we. It might get through. The only time the description of "sacrifice" results in a definite death is when someone sacrifices another person or animal. When an individual makes a sacrifice it is to "give up (something valued) for the sake of other consideration". And Steve Trevor gave up his life. He may return in WW1984, but if that's just temporary and he remains dead at the end of WW1984, then that doesn't negate the sacrifice he made in WW. As for Steve Rogers, he gave up nothing. And it's just laughable that some MCU fans claim Steve Rogers gave up "a lifetime together" with Peggy Carter. If a married woman is killed by a drunk driver, her husband can sue the drunk driver for wrongful death. If an unmarried woman is killed by a drunk driver, a guy who had 1 date with her doesn't have any standing to sue the drunk driver for wrongful death. Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter weren't married or even engaged. They just had 1 date together. That hardly counts as "a lifetime together". Steve Rogers gave up nothing so Steve Rogers made no sacrifice. Like I said before, claiming that Steve Rogers (who now lives in a world with many technological and medical advances that weren't available in the 1940s) made a sacrifice is an insult to the soldiers who actually lost their lives or limbs in World War II and other wars. Steve Rogers not only didn't make a sacrifice, but Steve Rogers life has actually improved a hell of a lot since he woke up in 2011.
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Post by sostie on Jan 26, 2019 13:36:26 GMT
Look..let's ex[plain this to you once more shall we. It might get through. The only time the description of "sacrifice" results in a definite death is when someone sacrifices another person or animal. When an individual makes a sacrifice it is to "give up (something valued) for the sake of other consideration". Like I said before, claiming that Steve Rogers (who now lives in a world with many technological and medical advances that weren't available in the 1940s) made a sacrifice is an insult to the soldiers who actually lost their lives or limbs in World War II and other wars. Steve Rogers not only didn't make a sacrifice, but Steve Rogers life has actually improved a hell of a lot since he woke up in 2011.The stubborness and stupidity is unbelieveable. But let's focus on your final paragraph. How fucking dare you. I work with the military on a daily basis. I get involved in Rememberance Sunday every year. I have ancestors, reletives, friends and work colleagues that have served, and suffered, in not only WWII but other conflicts. So don't go throwing that shit about just because some Comic Book character didn't die the way you wanted to. Prick. Hauntedknight87 scabab insulting a whole fandom.... is this a strike? If my response warrants one, so be it.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 26, 2019 17:21:58 GMT
Like I said before, claiming that Steve Rogers (who now lives in a world with many technological and medical advances that weren't available in the 1940s) made a sacrifice is an insult to the soldiers who actually lost their lives or limbs in World War II and other wars. Steve Rogers not only didn't make a sacrifice, but Steve Rogers life has actually improved a hell of a lot since he woke up in 2011.The stubborness and stupidity is unbelieveable. But let's focus on your final paragraph. How fucking dare you. I work with the military on a daily basis. I get involved in Rememberance Sunday every year. I have ancestors, reletives, friends and work colleagues that have served, and suffered, in not only WWII but other conflicts. So don't go throwing that shit about just because some Comic Book character didn't die the way you wanted to. Prick. Hauntedknight87 scabab insulting a whole fandom.... is this a strike? If my response warrants one, so be it How the fuck is that insulting to a whole fandom? I simply said that claiming that Steve Rogers (who now lives in a world with many technological and medical advances that weren't available in the 1940s) made a sacrifice is an insult to the soldiers who actually lost their lives or limbs in World War II and other wars. That is a 100% true statement. And if you don't want to take my word for it, then go out on the street and ask 100 random people "Would you rather be: A) Killed in a war. B) Live through a war but lose a limb in the war. C) Live through the war and be 100% healthy with full use of all your limbs AND be stronger and faster than you were before the war. How many people do you think are going to choose A or B? I guarantee you that 100% of people will choose C. Like I said before, claiming that Steve Rogers (who now lives in a world with many technological and medical advances that weren't available in the 1940s) made a sacrifice is an insult to the soldiers who actually lost their lives or limbs in World War II and other wars. Steve Rogers not only didn't make a sacrifice, but Steve Rogers life has actually improved a hell of a lot since he woke up in 2011.
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Post by scabab on Jan 26, 2019 17:46:56 GMT
Captain America did make a sacrifice because as far as he was concerned he was going to die. He had no idea that he was going to get frozen and come back in the modern era.
That was just luck on his behalf but doesn't stop the fact that he did sacrifice himself and any chance he had of living a happy life with Peggy which he almost certainly would have preferred than living in 2011 alone.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jan 26, 2019 17:47:58 GMT
DC-Fan, oh no, you’re slipping! Repeating yourself again. You need new trolling efforts, like, say,I’ve even given you a start. OK, go ahead.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 26, 2019 18:53:12 GMT
That was just luck on his behalf but doesn't stop the fact that he did sacrifice himself and any chance he had of living a happy life with Peggy which he almost certainly would have preferred than living in 2011 alone. 1st, it's ridiculous to say Steve Rogers gave up living a happy life with Peggy Carter. They weren't married or even engaged. They just had 1 date together. That hardly counts as living a happy life together. 2nd, the choice isn't between living a happy life in the 1940s or living alone in the 2011s. The choice is between dying in war (like Steve Trevor did) or living through a war AND still be 100% healthy and stronger and faster than before the war AND still be in his 20s with plenty of opportunities to meet and have relationships with women and NOT be alone (like Steve Rogers did). I guarantee that 100% of people would choose the life that Steve Rogers had over the shortened life that Steve Trevor had. As 1 MCU fan said above, a sacrifice involves giving up something. Steve Trevor gave up his life. What did Steve Rogers give up? Steve Rogers is not only alive, but also: 1) 100% healthy with full use of all his limbs 2) stronger and faster than he was before the war 3) living in a world with more technological and medical advances than in the 1940s 4) still in his 20s with opportunity to continue living a long, healthy, and happy life That's hardly a sacrifice. Heck, Steve Rogers was banging Sharon Carter before Peggy Carter's corpse even got cold so Steve Rogers could still live a long, healthy, and happy life with Sharon Carter.
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Post by scabab on Jan 26, 2019 20:14:54 GMT
You're again missing the point because it wasn't a choice that Captain America made. He didn't choose to end up being alive in the more technologically advanced 2011.
Captain America decided to sacrifice his life by saving millions of people. It was only by pure chance that he survived and was found.
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Post by damngumby on Jan 26, 2019 22:18:11 GMT
They should do a Weekend at Bernie's thing with Steve Trevor.
Afterall, bringing him back to life will trivialize Wonder Woman 1 and turn Wonder Woman 2 into a joke.
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