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Post by shannondegroot on Jan 25, 2019 15:44:56 GMT
Rock or Diesel?
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jan 25, 2019 15:53:08 GMT
Vin Diesel was in Saving Private Ryan. Not sure if The Rock has been in anything as memorable as that.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 25, 2019 16:12:37 GMT
I like the Rock better but like Luthor pointed out, Diesel has inserted himself in better made films like Saving Private Ryan or starring in more ambitious fair like Find Me Guilty or Boiler Room. Dwayne Johnson seems to have settled for being the 21st answer to Schwarzenegger: make a lot of blockbusters with some family movies and high concept comedies on the side.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Jan 25, 2019 16:29:39 GMT
Vin Diesel was in Saving Private Ryan. Not sure if The Rock has been in anything as memorable as that. The OP asked who has made better films implying who was the star, not who happened to be cast in a movie by other people. That said Vin was in Pitch Black so he might still have the edge. Then again Diesel has been in many, many more bad movies.
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Post by Marv on Jan 25, 2019 16:32:16 GMT
Diesel has been in better films by default. Saving Private Ryan is better than anything the Rock has done. And we can include gems like Guardians of the Galaxy and Find Me Guilty.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 25, 2019 16:52:03 GMT
You can't count Saving Private Ryan because Vin Diesel was a nobody at that time and he has a very small role. By no means is it a Vin Diesel vehicle. It's a tough call, they have two of the strangest careers I can think of as far as A list action heroes go. Johnson's movies have all sucked as far as I'm concerned, whereas every Diesel movie I'd call a success has had an ensemble cast (Pitch Black, the Fast & Furious franchise, his voicework in the MCU). Diesel is the headliner in the Furious franchise but he's not carrying it. There's a difference. (All this is beside the fact that I think the Furious films are terrible.) When you look at his 'solo' career, i.e. action movies where he's supposed to be doing all the heavy lifting, (XXX franchise, the rest of the Riddick franchise, Babylon AD, The Last Witchhunter-- this unwatchable list goes on and on...), you have to say the guy is a failure as a solo action hero.
They've both done dopey comedies and R rated crime action/dramas that were quickly forgotten, so no real advantage to either of them there. I can't think of a single good movie that Dwayne Johnson has been a major part of. I guess Diesel wins by default. Pitch Black is great, he's been a small part of the success of GOTG and the Iron Giant (voicework only, and again with GOTG it's an ensemble cast).
What's stranger, at least to me: I like both of these guys. I've been trashing their careers the entire time in this post, but I don't think it's a lack of talent on their part. They just seem to pick the wrong projects. Johnson always should've been the next Schwarzenegger, but for whatever reason he's the king of PG-13 actioners instead. It surely has more to do with industry trends than creative choices on his part. Diesel doesn't shy away from darker stuff, but it's always just plain horrible material.
Bottom line, I think both of them need better agents.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 25, 2019 16:53:12 GMT
The Rock BY FAR!!!
I measure that by two things...
A) How many movies of either have I gone to the theatre to see... and B) How many movies by either have become hits...
The Rock by far takes the cake on both. Diesel has only ONE hit outside of the Furious franchise, xXx. That's it. Outside of Furious does anyone REALLY care about Diesel? The track record would suggest not.
p.s. Its NOT accurate to count Saving Private Ryan and movies like that as Vin Diesel movies. Those are not Vin Diesel centric movies. NO ONE went to see those movies because Vin Diesel was in them.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 25, 2019 18:35:17 GMT
Since the title is about who's made better films - not specifying how large their role had to be - I'm gonna ignore the naysayers and count Saving Private Ryan and Guardians 1/2 as Vinny D movies. Not to mention the 90s animated masterpiece, The Iron Giant.
The Rock is generally the best thing about the movies he's in, including the Fast/Furious franchise itself, the movies are generally weak outside of him. The only Rock movies I actually enjoy are said Fast movies (also starring Diesel) and The Rundown. Neither of which are The Iron Giant.
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Post by Marv on Jan 25, 2019 20:16:39 GMT
Faster is a forgotten Rock gem imo. It was a solid revenge piece for the most part.
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Post by eplay on Jan 25, 2019 20:48:08 GMT
Vin Diesel, as he has "Boiler Room" and "Find Me Guilty" in his filmography.
Dwayne Johnson is very charismatic and has found a nice niche for himself in some fun films, though.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Jan 25, 2019 23:27:46 GMT
Dwayne
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Post by biker1 on Jan 26, 2019 0:08:55 GMT
I've seen a dozen Rock movies; the only one that has come close to ok viewing is a crime thriller called snitch (2013). Then there's southland tales, which if not particularly successful, is at least non routine. I started the Jumanji sequel recently - 20 minutes was enough of that, thanks.
Vin Diesel's lineup of movies isn't a huge improvement, but it is better. The sequel fast & furious (2009) is the pick for him, if only because the film actually lives up to it's name.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 26, 2019 0:22:39 GMT
Vin Diesel was in Saving Private Ryan. Not sure if The Rock has been in anything as memorable as that. He wasn;t really that memorable in it though.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 26, 2019 0:23:19 GMT
I've enjoyed more Rock movies.
He's got the charisma Diesel lacks.
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Post by ravi02 on Jan 26, 2019 1:26:49 GMT
I'll have to say that Diesel has been in more quality films and has more range as an actor.
His 1995 debut short film, Multi-Facial, Saving Private Ryan, The Iron Giant, Boiler Room, Pitch Black, Knockaround Guys and Find Me Guilty at least showcase that the guy has some range and he holds his own with the other actors in those films. It's unfortunate that Diesel went the Stallone route and chose to rely on endless sequels to his hit franchises, making bland action movies and became typecast as a meathead brute.
I like Dwayne Johnson's charisma, his whole hard-working approach to life and his career, but man, it's disappointing to say that most of his films are mediocre at best. He doesn't play actual characters in his films just a variation of his Rock persona and the whole film has to revolve around him so much that the other characters and story elements just fade out to make him look good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 1:36:38 GMT
Tough call for me. I adore Dwayne Johnson and I think he's smart about the films he does. He's also incredibly gracious to his fans, and that motivates me to support his work.
I enjoy Vin Deisel's stuff, and he is Groot...soooo
I don't know?!!! I can't decide.
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Post by ravi02 on Jan 26, 2019 1:48:19 GMT
Dwayne Johnson seems to have settled for being the 21st answer to Schwarzenegger: make a lot of blockbusters with some family movies and high concept comedies on the side. Except Johnson's never done anything as great as Terminators 1&2, Predator, Conan, Commando, Total Recall, True Lies and shit, even something on par with Twins, The Running Man, Kindergarten Cop or Eraser.
In his heyday, Arnold was blessed to be able to work with creative directors in their prime (like Milius, Cameron, McTiernan, Verhoeven, Reitman, etc.) who knew how to work with his unique presence and fit it into their vision. He also had chemistry with all of his co-stars. See: his relationship with John Connor in T2 or with Sharon Stone in Total Recall, his macho camaraderie with the squad in Predator, teaching the kids in Kindergarten Cop and his lively bonding with Danny DeVito and Tom Arnold. Sure, Arnold knew he was the star, but he made you care about the character he was playing and gave his co-stars opportunities to shine.
Johnson can afford the big budgets for his films, but he's also too closely involved in their productions for the writers/directors to challenge his brand in any way. It's a shame as I feel like he can do much more than the mediocre stuff he churns out every six months.
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Post by petrolino on Jan 26, 2019 2:14:47 GMT
As a lifelong wrestling fan, I recognise Rock's dominant period in the ring, but for cinema, I'd like to go with Diesel. Thanks.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 26, 2019 2:37:41 GMT
The lack of gifs is disturbing.
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