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Post by egon1982 on Jan 29, 2019 13:53:33 GMT
The people who say comics are for kids are the same ones who say animation is for kids. They’re so unimportant that we’re letting our kids watch and learn from them. Bill Maher is a relic and a dinosaur of a forgotten age. Nobody important actually watches his show so he creates all this controversy so he becomes relevant and he is too irrelevant as he needs to retire.
Stan Lee will be more remembered than Bill Maher ever will be.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Jan 29, 2019 14:02:24 GMT
Of all the things offensive to Bill Maher, he has to pick on comic book fans? What have they ever done that was so bad? Okay, so you don't like comics but not every fan is some basement-dwelling, drooling geekazoid with no life. Such a stereotype.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 29, 2019 14:35:06 GMT
Perhaps that lies at the heart of the matter. Stan Lee works in an industry Maher clearly has no respect for but his legacy will be cherished far greater than Maher ever will be.
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Post by maxwellperfect on Jan 29, 2019 23:21:54 GMT
I don't share his opinion that comics are strictly for kids, but I'm not losing any sleep over it.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 29, 2019 23:34:39 GMT
Maher does make some valid points: there is too much comic book stuff in mainstream culture, it is dumbed down compared to older works---but he puts all the blame on the minority of comics readers or fans. They are not dictating what gets made and why. The corporations are the ones promoting comic book movies like they are the Second Coming.
His criticism is not as mean as the "Get A Life" skit though. That was worse because at the time Star Trek fans were not as prominent and they used Shatner to make the digs. Perhaps that also was valid--critiquing obsession with pop culture mass marketed stuff--but it was ultimately disingenuous since SNL is itself a mass market pop culture thing.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 30, 2019 1:30:40 GMT
Bill just needs to shut the fuck up.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Jan 30, 2019 2:50:55 GMT
I never read comics, even as a kid and have no interest in the current "MCU" etc., but his comments make him sound like a douche.
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Post by movieliker on Jan 30, 2019 9:41:53 GMT
I agree with Bill Maher. Comic books are not adult entertainment. I read them as a kid. But I stopped when I became a teenager.
And most movies based on comic books are silly lite entertainment at best.
And video games are childish and immature. Fine if you enjoy "playing" them as an adult. As long as you realize it is just play. And not an adult responsiblity or obligation.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jan 30, 2019 13:16:03 GMT
I don`t really see a problem with adults reading comics as long as they also read proper books written for adults. But if adults only read comics and nothing else that i would consider strange.
People should be allowed to do what ever they want as long as it does not hurt other people and as long as its legal
It makes me think of this C.S Lewis quote.
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
And you know what he is 100% correct.
And no i am not a comic book reader, i have never actually read any comics by Marvel or DC.
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Post by Nora on Jan 30, 2019 16:19:56 GMT
And no i am not a comic book reader, i have never actually read any comics by Marvel or DC. what about CS Lewis, how much of his writing have you read? |
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Post by rizdek on Jan 30, 2019 16:53:00 GMT
"The people who say comics are for kids are the same ones who say animation is for kids."
But does Maher say all animation is for kids? I thought he was talking about comic books about superheroes and animation movies about super heroes. But I admit I probably didn't see his first monologue about it.
I saw one of his "respondologues"
I have to admit, he makes me laugh, I sometimes look up his videos just to get good laughs. As for StanLee being remembered long after Bill Maher is...very very likely. Kids (and I guess adults) will be reading his material for generations to come.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jan 30, 2019 16:59:39 GMT
And no i am not a comic book reader, i have never actually read any comics by Marvel or DC. what about CS Lewis, how much of his writing have you read? Not much i have only read The Chronicles of Narnia. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 17:37:16 GMT
Superhero stories are essentially quest based stories about virtuous heroes taking on evil forces. These have been the most prominent types of stories in every single culture since the dawn of man. Bill needs a history lesson.
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Post by egon1982 on Jan 30, 2019 18:07:42 GMT
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” ― C.S. Lewis Comic books have changed since his time! i mean Alan Moore, Frank Miller (before he went nuts), Katsuhiro Otomo etc. are excellent comic writers who made mature reader comics and are unique works like Watchmen, V For Vendetta, Batman Year One, Akira etc. and Road to Perdition is an excellent graphic novel with great writing and characters. Games are awesome and fun! you should never listen to an outdated dinosaur/relic of a person who is stuck in the past when Stan Lee will be remembered while Bill will be forgotten. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 30, 2019 18:24:42 GMT
Fantasy was the foundation of literature and storytelling for thousands of years. The most famous works of literature are fantasy and often meant for all ages. Gulliver's Travels was like that. There was no children's literature genre until the 19th-20th century.
But corporation content is something else. It lacks the sophistication of older artwork before such corporations existed.
Someone like Moore is employed because he fits into the globalist agenda--he's a foreigner, writing American-based comic books, he adds a lot of violence, sex, and negativity, and voila, you got an adult work (which is now considered unsuitable for children because the violence and sexual content is so extreme).
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Post by egon1982 on Jan 30, 2019 18:33:11 GMT
Fantasy was the foundation of literature and storytelling for thousands of years. The most famous works of literature are fantasy and often meant for all ages. Gulliver's Travels was like that. There was no children's literature genre until the 19th-20th century. But corporation content is something else. It lacks the sophistication of older artwork before such corporations existed. Someone like Moore is employed because he fits into the globalist agenda--he's a foreigner, writing American-based comic books, he adds a lot of violence, sex, and negativity, and voila, you got an adult work (which is now considered unsuitable for children because the violence and sexual content is so extreme). Watchmen, V For Vendetta, Swamp Thing and more are unique works as he changed the medium and Japan does the same thing too. And not all comic book movies are superheroes you know! there's plenty of non-superhero comic based movies like History of Violence to Road to Perdition to Sin City for example to even Oldboy. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 30, 2019 18:48:57 GMT
Watchmen, V For Vendetta, Swamp Thing and more are unique works as he changed the medium and Japan does the same thing too. And not all comic book movies are superheroes you know! there's plenty of non-superhero comic based movies like History of Violence to Road to Perdition to Sin City for example to even Oldboy. They are all corporate-sponsored products--I don't know about Japan but there is a filter there too-an anime director recently talked about international globalists putting a lot of money into Japan for propaganda purposes. Speaking of V for Vendetta, I guess Moore must be a big supporter of the Yellow Vests--if he is free to express that view.
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Post by movieliker on Jan 30, 2019 19:57:57 GMT
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” ― C.S. Lewis Comic books have changed since his time! i mean Alan Moore, Frank Miller (before he went nuts), Katsuhiro Otomo etc. are excellent comic writers who made mature reader comics and are unique works like Watchmen, V For Vendetta, Batman Year One, Akira etc. and Road to Perdition is an excellent graphic novel with great writing and characters. Games are awesome and fun! you should never listen to an outdated dinosaur/relic of a person who is stuck in the past when Stan Lee will be remembered while Bill will be forgotten. Bill Maher is probably no expert on comic books. He is probably referring to movies like The Avengers, The Fantastic Four, Superman and Spiderman. Those movies are childish and silly. Like Star Wars and Jurrasic Park. Yes, they have great special effects and maybe action. But that is about it. Same with video games. Eventually most people grow out of such nonsense. |
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Post by kuatorises on Jan 30, 2019 20:01:16 GMT
Nobody likes Bill Maher, even people who agree with him.
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Post by egon1982 on Jan 30, 2019 20:44:49 GMT
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” ― C.S. Lewis Comic books have changed since his time! i mean Alan Moore, Frank Miller (before he went nuts), Katsuhiro Otomo etc. are excellent comic writers who made mature reader comics and are unique works like Watchmen, V For Vendetta, Batman Year One, Akira etc. and Road to Perdition is an excellent graphic novel with great writing and characters. Games are awesome and fun! you should never listen to an outdated dinosaur/relic of a person who is stuck in the past when Stan Lee will be remembered while Bill will be forgotten. Bill Maher is probably no expert on comic books. He is probably referring to movies like The Avengers, The Fantastic Four, Superman and Spiderman. Those movies are childish and silly. Like Star Wars and Jurrasic Park. Yes, they have great special effects and maybe action. But that is about it. Same with video games. Eventually most people grow out of such nonsense. Grow out of such "nonsense"? your just being pretentious and not truly adult, C.S. Lewis has something to say to you and what is being adult mean? and what movies do adults like explain? |
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