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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 30, 2019 5:14:55 GMT
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Post by millar70 on Jan 30, 2019 5:21:07 GMT
While I've come around on WHIP, any other baseball stat with more than three letters is pretty meaningless to me.
What's never taken into account with stats is the fact that many stats can be built up in blowouts, or the fact that the timing of some stats are more important than others.
Put it simply, I'd rather have a guy who hits 17 home runs where 12 are major clutch, than a guy who hits 40 home runs where 25 of them occur when team is either way ahead or way behind.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 30, 2019 5:32:22 GMT
While I've come around on WHIP, any other baseball stat with more than three letters is pretty meaningless to me. What's never taken into account with stats is the fact that many stats can be built up in blowouts, or the fact that the timing of some stats are more important than others. Put it simply, I'd rather have a guy who hits 17 home runs where 12 are major clutch, than a guy who hits 40 home runs where 25 of them occur when team is either way ahead or way behind. I accepted WHIP because I can figure it out with my anemic math skills. How the fuck can I figure out WAR? Wins Above Replacement does seem to be valid, just by the eye test. Take away the eternal problem of 19th Century pitchers and big WAR seasons seem to belong to players with accepted big seasons. Babe Ruth in 1923, 1921, 1927. Carl Yastrzemski in 1967, Rogers Hornsby in 1924, Barry Bonds in 2001. But I can't figure out the average SS for the NL in 1924 and graft a mathematical formula to figure out how much better Hornsby was than Sid Squid. I can add two numbers then divide by another,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 5:37:48 GMT
While I've come around on WHIP, any other baseball stat with more than three letters is pretty meaningless to me. What's never taken into account with stats is the fact that many stats can be built up in blowouts, or the fact that the timing of some stats are more important than others. Put it simply, I'd rather have a guy who hits 17 home runs where 12 are major clutch, than a guy who hits 40 home runs where 25 of them occur when team is either way ahead or way behind. I accepted WHIP because I can figure it out with my anemic math skills. How the fuck can I figure out WAR? Wins Above Replacement does seem to be valid, just by the eye test. Take away the eternal problem of 19th Century pitchers and big WAR seasons seem to belong to players with accepted big seasons. Babe Ruth in 1923, 1921, 1927. Carl Yastrzemski in 1967, Rogers Hornsby in 1924, Barry Bonds in 2001. But I can't figure out the average SS for the NL in 1924 and graft a mathematical formula to figure out how much better Hornsby was than Sid Squid. I can add two numbers then divide by another,
WAR annoys the hell out of me because it's apparently not a concrete stat. I can go to 2 different websites and one will list a players WAR as a different number than the other site. Talking Baseball Reference and Fangraphs.
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Post by No_Socks_Here on Jan 30, 2019 10:38:01 GMT
Definitely WAR.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 30, 2019 11:14:21 GMT
But the baserunner walked in wasn't his man - only the batter going to 1st. How's that logical? Don't read more into it than there is. It's Walks and hits over innings pitched, period. Runs don't figure into it, earned or unearned. You could conceivably (I'm getting silly here) have a WHIP of 6.00 and an ERA of 0.00. Walk the bases loaded, give up three singles but the runner at 3rd gets thrown out at home for all three outs. Do you want a pitcher like that, no. A plethora of baserunners almost always score. Another mess-with stat: A guy gives up 3 earned runs in 6 innings and gets a QS, another 4 earned in 13 innings doesn't.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jan 30, 2019 13:39:09 GMT
If the Knicks/Nets were good - would get invested in the playoffs/Finals? No.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jan 30, 2019 16:40:53 GMT
While I've come around on WHIP, any other baseball stat with more than three letters is pretty meaningless to me. What's never taken into account with stats is the fact that many stats can be built up in blowouts, or the fact that the timing of some stats are more important than others.Put it simply, I'd rather have a guy who hits 17 home runs where 12 are major clutch, than a guy who hits 40 home runs where 25 of them occur when team is either way ahead or way behind. Actually, WPA (Win Probability Added) does take into account whether the event in question occurred during a blowout or a close game, as it basically seeks to determine how a player's performance affected the outcome of that particular game. It's not a stat I pay much attention to, but nonetheless, it does exist. For me, the sabermetric stats aren't particularly useful to the average fan, or even for just watching the game. However, for teams that are looking to determine value between Player X and Player Y, I do think it can be a valuable tool to an extent. Too often, teams will see 2 100 RBI guys or 2 30-HR guys and just throw money at one of them with no distinction between them, but they won't factor in things like RBI% (how many opportunities did one player have versus the other player), park factors, how good was the team around them, the guys in front of or behind him in the lineup, etc. Teams are getting a little smarter about how they make those determinations when trying to figure out who gets what money (well, they say they are anyway, whether they're actually doing it is another story) and sabermetrics gives them more tools at their disposal to make those decisions. But yeah, that said, when you're just watching a game, I don't particularly care about a guy's wOBA or his WRC and all that shit. And I know that Mark Teixeira was better than Daric Barton.
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Post by fjenkins on Jan 30, 2019 17:51:17 GMT
There is no more overrated stat than the SAVE. It's too easy to get a save. I've brought this up before but I remember one of John Smoltz's reliver seasons, he comes in with a three run lead, ends up giving up a couple runs, leaves two men on base, almost lost the game but got the final out, and the announcers were absolutely going nuts that he got his 40th save.
They need to make the save stat way way more harder to get than coming in with 2 outs and the tying run on deck. That's absurd.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 19:50:31 GMT
Not a giant fan of 'Goals Against Average' for a goalie in hockey -
what if you have a weak defense in front of you and furthermore weak Centers and Wings who rarely if ever keep the puck in the opposing teams end of the ice to give the goalie a breather - i.e. the goalie has to stand on his head night after night making one spectacular save after another.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 21:16:55 GMT
If the Knicks/Nets were good - would get invested in the playoffs/Finals? No. Why not?
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jan 30, 2019 21:46:28 GMT
ABV
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 21:51:48 GMT
i'm a Goldberg 'mark'... but why do some not view the stats/streak that impressive? what was it like 173 -0 or something. good gawd.......
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jan 30, 2019 21:52:27 GMT
Because I hate the NBA. Why would the Knicks or Nets doing well change any of that?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 21:59:28 GMT
Because I hate the NBA. Why would the Knicks or Nets doing well change any of that? Interesting.
Interesting indeed.
My immediate reaction was - well since you live in the area don't you feel compelled to support the team.
But if one is not 'taken'/attracted to a product - just because that 'product' is affiliated with their home - it doesn't necessarily mean a person has to support them/it - so there must be some reasoning.
Why do you hate the NBA?
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Jan 30, 2019 22:21:37 GMT
Hits. Congratulations, you hit the ball. Oh, you did it 3,000 times? Well, whoop-dee-fucking-doo.
Now, 4000, like Pete Rose. THAT'S something.
Wins for a pitcher. You can do great but if your team sucks or the reliever blows it, how is that your fault?
Total yards/touchdowns thrown. What usually matters is when, not how many.
WAR, or any of those others like WHIP. Not really sure what that is, but seems kinda useless.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jan 30, 2019 22:26:28 GMT
Because I hate the NBA. Why would the Knicks or Nets doing well change any of that? Interesting.
Interesting indeed.
My immediate reaction was - well since you live in the area don't you feel compelled to support the team.
But if one is not 'taken'/attracted to a product - just because that 'product' is affiliated with their home - it doesn't necessarily mean a person has to support them/it - so there must be some reasoning.
Why do you hate the NBA?
If that was your initial reaction, I'm glad you went past it. The idea that one should feel compelled to support a local team simply because of where one lives there is fucking crazy. Think of the implications of what you just said and extend it to everything your home town has to offer. I hate the NBA because I find it boring and always have. Simple. Just like there are things you don't like. Not really much to explain about it.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 30, 2019 22:28:01 GMT
Corsi - Hockey stat that got way too cute with talking heads?
Adjusted trade value. Please stop.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 30, 2019 22:29:57 GMT
Triple doubles
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 22:30:03 GMT
Hits. Congratulations, you hit the ball. Oh, you did it 3,000 times? Well, whoop-dee-fucking-doo. Now, 4000, like Pete Rose. THAT'S something. Wins for a pitcher. You can do great but if your team sucks or the reliever blows it, how is that your fault? Total yards/touchdowns thrown. What usually matters is when, not how many. WAR, or any of those others like WHIP. Not really sure what that is, but seems kinda useless. Is it 'something' though?
I mean - I guess - he was a slap hitter like Ichiro - i.e. pretty much a singles hitter and it has to account for something - but do you regard Rose and Ichiro as the possibly Top 10 of All-Time even though they're hits leaders?
I don't. I love Tony Gwynn - might as well throw him in there too.
Nice players but surely not in the argument of greatest ever.
So in a sense I agree - 'hits' is a shallow stat. You can typically find CFs at the top of the list when fighting for the Batting Crown - hitting .357 for the year - but 'slap hitters' - sure there's outliers with some who bat for average with power - but to me Rose like Ichiro was a singles 'slap hitter'.
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