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Post by darkpast on Jan 31, 2019 7:37:50 GMT
Do you like this film, is it problematic in today';s society?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 7:48:04 GMT
Yeah, most of us knew how shallow this film was in its day. I like to think no one thought this was representative of anything other than cliched teen dramadies. Anyone who though it was deeper than that or gave it much thought was reading way more into this film than it was trying to be.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 31, 2019 7:48:57 GMT
When an article starts with, "I personally, was devastated to rewatch Britney Spears' Crossroads and find that it wasn't actually the coming-of-age story our generation needed, " that is the go ahead to tune out.
I am not a fan of She's All That and of course the plot is problematic these days, when everyone is so PC.
As the user above said, it isn't like this movie was some deep movie. It was a by the numbers teen dramedy.
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Post by Roberto on Jan 31, 2019 7:53:15 GMT
Didn't click any of that as I don't care what any of those hacks say. But no, I don't like that film, because it doesn't make sense. You have the incredibly hot Rachael Leigh Cook playing a "dork" who everyone acts as if she's unattractive or something, which is just ridiculous. But one of the stupidest scenes I've ever seen comes later in the movie when she's upstairs and someone puts her in a dress and makes her wear makeup and probably high heels too, and then she walks down the stairs and everyone's jaws drop as if suddenly she's become hot... when she was always hot the entire movie. If anything they simply made her uglier due to wearing makeup and high heels.
Such a stupid ass movie. But it's worth watching simply for Rachael Leigh Cook and the great cast.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 31, 2019 7:54:40 GMT
Does anybody remember Soul Man (1986)? The movie that had C. Thomas Howell in black face.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 31, 2019 7:58:53 GMT
I think I watched that one time on cable. All I remember the bikini scene and Matthew Lillard in a reality tv show. Seemed crude and stupid. I wonder how "I Know What You Did Last Summer" holds up now.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 31, 2019 8:01:23 GMT
Didn't click any of that as I don't care what any of those hacks say. But no, I don't like that film, because it doesn't make sense. You have the incredibly hot Rachael Leigh Cook playing a "dork" who everyone acts as if she's unattractive or something, which is just ridiculous. But one of the stupidest scenes I've ever seen comes later in the movie when she's upstairs and someone puts her in a dress and makes her wear makeup and probably high heels too, and then she walks down the stairs and everyone's jaws drop as if suddenly she's become hot... when she was always hot the entire movie. If anything they simply made her uglier due to wearing makeup and high heels.
Such a stupid ass movie. But it's worth watching simply for Rachael Leigh Cook and the great cast. I never realized that She's All That was considered a classic back in the 1990's. The whole article being based on a mediocre teen movie and why it is "problematic" today is ridiculous. Who cares about She's All That? Seriously.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 31, 2019 8:01:25 GMT
Does anybody remember Soul Man (1986)? The movie that had C. Thomas Howell in black face. It was heavily criticized at the time I recall.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 31, 2019 8:04:25 GMT
Does anybody remember Soul Man (1986)? The movie that had C. Thomas Howell in black face.
It was heavily criticized at the time I recall. I know. I just wanted everyone to know this movie exists. If someone is going to bring up a movie that might be seen as problematic today, then they should bring up Sixteen Candles.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 31, 2019 8:06:34 GMT
I know. I just wanted everyone to know this movie exists. If someone is going to bring up a movie that might be seen as problematic today, then they should bring up Sixteen Candles. Haha I totally missed out on all those John Hughes movies. Now there's a guy whose film-making completely fell off the radar after many years of being promoted like crazy. But I think romantic comedies can have a short shelf-life especially if they can be easily dated to a time period.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 31, 2019 8:08:51 GMT
I know. I just wanted everyone to know this movie exists. If someone is going to bring up a movie that might be seen as problematic today, then they should bring up Sixteen Candles. Haha I totally missed out on all those John Hughes movies. Now there's a guy whose film-making completely fell off the radar after many years of being promoted like crazy. But I think romantic comedies can have a short shelf-life especially if they can be easily dated to a time period.
But my point is that Sixteen Candles didn't have a short shelf life. Unless I am out of the loop, I thought that Sixteen Candles was considered a teen movie classic.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 31, 2019 8:13:04 GMT
But my point is that Sixteen Candles didn't have a short shelf life. Unless I am out of the loop, I thought that Sixteen Candles was considered a teen movie classic. I dunno. Compared to "She's All That maybe, but I don't see Hughes films other than Ferris Bueller's Day Off getting much reference. Molly Ringwald ...she did not have a long shelf life.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 31, 2019 8:14:00 GMT
But my point is that Sixteen Candles didn't have a short shelf life. Unless I am out of the loop, I thought that Sixteen Candles was considered a teen movie classic. I dunno. Compared to "She's All That maybe, but I don't see Hughes films other than Ferris Bueller's Day Off getting much reference. Molly Ringwald ...she did not have a long shelf life.
The Breakfast Club? I guess what I am trying to say is that Sixteen Candles was a big deal at the time. If the article was talking about American Pie, then that would make sense. American Pie was a huge deal when it came out, She's All That was not. At least not in my memory.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 31, 2019 8:25:20 GMT
Not even close to being talked about like Ferris Bueller which is not talked about much either. Back to the Future and Fright Night eclipse both in general film chit chat.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 31, 2019 8:30:52 GMT
Not even close to being talked about like Ferris Bueller which is not talked about much either. Back to the Future and Fright Night eclipse both in general film chit chat.
Eh, The Breakfast Club is talked about quite a bit and is often referenced in pop culture. Also, The Breakfast Club in particular you will see on pretty much every list of the Top 20 best teen movies ever made. On ranker.com for example (which is voted on by the general public), The Breakfast Club is #1. With Sixteen Candles at #8. www.ranker.com/list/best-teen-movies-of-all-time/all-genre-movies-listsI'd say Fright Night and Breakfast Club are talked about equally. Of course Back to the Future is talked about more, as that is flat out classic regardless of the genre. I think imdb ratings can be used to show how popular a movie was and still is by looking at it's rating and number of votes. Sixteen Candles (90,000 votes), The Breakfast Club (312,000 votes) etc. they all have a positive rating, while She's All That only has a 5.9/10.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 31, 2019 8:46:09 GMT
I'd say Fright Night and Breakfast Club are talked about equally. Fright Night is also horror genre so it would get more mileage. I don't think there are any teen comedies that last in memory. Who talks about Andy Hardy films? And they were allegedly hugely popular. Same with beach blanket movies. The genre is too limited in taste--mainly the only ones who watch them are those who were of that age when they were made. A teen time travel or vampire film has more audience appeal over time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 8:57:16 GMT
I would say it's "problematic" in the same way that the somewhat recent "Don't Judge Me Challenge" was problematic. (For those of you that missed that one, that's where teenagers would make themselves look ugly using makeup, act like dorks in front of the camera, and then edit to them looking like preening, plastic models.)
The attempted message is "Don't judge a book by its cover." which is not a bad thing but the message actually sent is "Don't judge a book by its cover because the cover is just covered with dirt and muck and when you wipe all that off, the cover looks damn good." It's a poor way to send a positive message.
She's All That is essentially the same sort of artificial ugly duckling story and it's the blackface equivalent for depicting an unattractive person. It's a complete caricature of reality. But that's Hollywood for you, especially when it comes to teen movies, so it's just something you kind of accept. The big problem I have with stories like this is that while they are attempting to say "Looks don't matter, it's what's inside that counts." what I see and hear is "Don't judge because they might get hot in the future." which is just such a shallow way to view the world and a botched way to tell a story pretending to have some heart.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 31, 2019 9:31:11 GMT
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Post by Roberto on Jan 31, 2019 10:15:53 GMT
Didn't click any of that as I don't care what any of those hacks say. But no, I don't like that film, because it doesn't make sense. You have the incredibly hot Rachael Leigh Cook playing a "dork" who everyone acts as if she's unattractive or something, which is just ridiculous. But one of the stupidest scenes I've ever seen comes later in the movie when she's upstairs and someone puts her in a dress and makes her wear makeup and probably high heels too, and then she walks down the stairs and everyone's jaws drop as if suddenly she's become hot... when she was always hot the entire movie. If anything they simply made her uglier due to wearing makeup and high heels.
Such a stupid ass movie. But it's worth watching simply for Rachael Leigh Cook and the great cast. I never realized that She's All That was considered a classic back in the 1990's. The whole article being based on a mediocre teen movie and why it is "problematic" today is ridiculous. Who cares about She's All That? Seriously. Why did you bold that particular line for? Random. And who considers that movie a classic? Well I guess it could be a classic in a way. A classic cast of actors. Also a classic example of how not to write a movie.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 31, 2019 10:33:22 GMT
Here's a stupid comment:
Actress Jodi Lyn O'Keefe, who portrayed "mean girl" Taylor in She's All That, thought more women behind the camera may have made a difference in creating grounded, relatable female characters.
**how is it that an 18-year old girl could write about men (Shelley/Frankenstein) yet men cannot write relatable female characters? I am sure they have, many times. It is just that Hollywood increasingly prefers the crass. It's a talent management problem, not a gender one.
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