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Post by Vits on Feb 1, 2019 11:59:16 GMT
FREAKS has a couple of terrifying moments (the shot of the deformed CLEOPATRA is very shocking), but the perforances are uneven and there's no clear message. It tries to tell the audience that people with physical deformities shouldn't be treated as monsters... and then shows them committing monstrous acts of revenge. No, being treated like crap for a long time doesn't justify it; the characters could've defended themselves in other ways. Am I wrong? If I am, it's not because I'm an ignorant on the subject; it's because the movie missed had the opportunity to be a complex debate about morals and ethics, but chose to focus on the entertaining horror. I guess that's why presidential debates are often refered to as "freak shows." 2/10 ------------------------------------- You can read comments of other movies in my blog.
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Post by timshelboy on Feb 1, 2019 12:43:10 GMT
FREAKS has a couple of terrifying moments (the shot of the deformed CLEOPATRA is very shocking), but the perforances are uneven and there's no clear message. It tries to tell the audience that people with physical deformities shouldn't be treated as monsters... and then shows them committing monstrous acts of revenge. No, being treated like crap for a long time doesn't justify it; the characters could've defended themselves in other ways. Am I wrong? If I am, it's not because I'm an ignorant on the subject; it's because the movie missed had the opportunity to be a complex debate about morals and ethics, but chose to focus on the entertaining horror. I guess that's why presidential debates are often refered to as "freak shows." 2/10 ------------------------------------- You can read comments of other movies in my blog.Oh I don't know - the message could well be "Don't mess with us freaks!" What did you want them to do by way of revenge? - unfriend people on Facebook ?
I think it a bit overrated - and I prefer ISLAND OF DR MOREAU with similar themes from the era - but I'd still give it a pass. 6/10 Add music and it could be the new THE GREATEST SHOWMAN !
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Post by BATouttaheck on Feb 1, 2019 16:16:23 GMT
Vits
"Performance are uneven" …. OF COURSE they were. Most of the characters were regular (non actor)people saying lines in a film .. not actors trained in the intricacies of acting ! Several of them are severely mentally challenged !
as for " the movie missed had the opportunity to be a complex debate about morals and ethics"  Have to wonder IF any other horror film has ever had that statement posted as a negative criticism. Who expects complex debates in a horror film ? ESPECIALLY one made as early as 1932 …. (other than the OP, of course!
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Post by BATouttaheck on Feb 1, 2019 16:17:33 GMT
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Post by biker1 on Feb 1, 2019 16:37:29 GMT
My favorite scene is the wedding party when a drunk Cleopatra is scornfully laughing at poor little Hans and then turns on the freaks - thus securing her fate. 10/10
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Post by Aj_June on Feb 1, 2019 16:51:25 GMT
It's one of the 27 movies out 1000s watched that I have rated 10/10. This movie will always remain very close to my heart.
No problems with your ratings though. I understand people think differently.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Feb 1, 2019 17:03:08 GMT
"It tries to tell the audience that people with physical deformities shouldn't be treated as monsters."
It is trying to tell a story in which people are treated very badly by other people to the point where they decide to take some revenge and set things right. "the characters could've defended themselves in other ways."
BUT then there would have been a totally different story. AND just how could they have accomplished the revenge for the treatment of their friend and of themselves ?
BTW Vits it's awfully confusing when you post the same thread in THREE different locations ...but having been told that before, you know that already and don't seem to really care !
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Post by politicidal on Feb 1, 2019 17:07:51 GMT
Strange offbeat horror flick.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 1, 2019 20:26:36 GMT
"We accept her, we accept her. One of us, one of us. Gooble-gobble, gooble-gobble"
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Post by marianne48 on Feb 2, 2019 1:48:29 GMT
The moral and ethical message is the movie's stand against that era's attitude towards people with disabilities and deformities, especially in the wake of the eugenics movement that was highly popular in the first half of the 20th century. Locking people away in dingy, unsanitary institutions; performing lobotomies and involuntary sterilizations on those with mental or emotional issues; abandoning them on the streets; even euthanizing those with physical and mental abnormalities were practices that were not only condoned, but even encouraged in those years. The movement culminated in Hitler's liquidation of the disabled, the infirm, and the elderly (and eventually those of particular races and ethnicities, political beliefs, and sexual identities). Was it just coincidence that one of the villains of the movie, the strongman, is played by Henry Victor, an actor raised in Germany who specialized in playing Nazi thugs in movies? Madame Tetrallini protects the disabled "children" and pleads for understanding and compassion; the freaks see the circus as a safe haven from the hostility of the "normal" world. What the freaks end up doing to Cleopatra may seem brutal, but it's a foreshadowing of the real-life cruelty inflicted on the victims of the Nazis. Browning wanted to emphasize the humanity of the "freaks" vs. the brutality they suffered from many "normal" people; unfortunately, a lot of the film which centered on this angle was edited out, and it was refashioned by distributors as a horror film. Many of the freaks who appeared in the film were not permitted to eat in the MGM studio cafeteria and were forced to eat their lunches outside instead, as if they were animals. Cleopatra's transformation at the end of the film is a reflection of this attitude.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Feb 2, 2019 4:31:14 GMT
In a 1932 film .. probably .. he LATER played Nazis from IMDb "Henry Victor was born on October 2, 1892 in England, but was raised in Germany. He began his film career in 1914, eventually playing leads in literary adaptations of The Picture of Dorian Gray (1916) and H. Rider Haggard's She (1916), both in 1916. When talkies appeared in the late 1920's, Victor's thick Teutonic accent was a detriment as a leading man in Hollywood, but he enjoyed a substantial career as a character actor in American and British films, specializing in brutish Nazis during World War II.
He is probably best remembered for his portrayal of the sadistic strongman Hercules in Tod Browning's Freaks (1932), a role that was originally considered for Victor McLaglen, whom Browning had worked with previously, along with Harry Earles, in The Unholy Three (1925). From 1914 to 1945, he appeared in over 100 films."
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Post by marianne48 on Feb 2, 2019 12:32:09 GMT
In a 1932 film .. probably .. he LATER played Nazis.
Yeah, later, when Hollywood finally got up the courage to depict Nazis as the bad guys. But those who were paying attention back then were well aware of what was going on in Germany in the 1920s, and of the mutual admiration society between Hitler and American racists. Hitler was a big admirer of the KKK in the US, its Jim Crow and other race laws, and its genocide of Native Americans. He especially admired the American eugenics movement and adapted it for his own government. Meanwhile, some "very fine people" at the Rockefeller Institute were happy to provide a grant of nearly half a million dollars for funding the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology, Human Heredity, and Eugenics, for the rationalization of sterilization, medical experimentation, and weeding out of particular people. Maybe it was all just a coincidence that the bad guy was German, but it was prophetic.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Feb 2, 2019 15:07:54 GMT
marianne48NONE of which has anything to do with the casting Henry Victor … he had been a lead actor in silent films .. he was willing to work as the strongman and size-wise was perfect for the role .. the fact that he has a thick Teutonic accent was irrelevant … Interesting to see how much POLITICS is being read via hindsight into this simple movie.
MOVIE Board .. NOT POLITICS BOARD … have a nice day.
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Post by marianne48 on Feb 2, 2019 18:07:40 GMT
And Hollywood films never have anything to do with politics. 
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Post by BATouttaheck on Feb 2, 2019 18:18:40 GMT
And Hollywood films never have anything to do with politics. 😂 This one sure didn't at the time was made …and doesn't now … unless post filming history and politics is forced into the mix … no thanks!
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Post by Vits on Feb 2, 2019 18:48:46 GMT
Who expects complex debates in a horror film ? Someone who has seen that happen in this genre before. AND just how could they have accomplished the revenge for the treatment of their friend and of themselves ? I said "defend themselves;" not "get their revenge." it's awfully confusing when you post the same thread in THREE different locations How so?
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Post by BATouttaheck on Feb 2, 2019 18:58:18 GMT
VitsIt never ceases to amaze me how you pick and choose which parts of a post to C&P and "reply" to and totally ignore the pertinent parts . it also bores me to an incredible degree _ after trying to communicate with you  seems a viable option.
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Post by Dramatic Look Gopher on Feb 3, 2019 17:42:23 GMT
All this talk of Freaks prompted me to dust off my DVD and watch it last night. I see that it has its fair share of detractors on this board, but after seeing Freaks again I think it still holds up quite well. I find it to be a delightful mixture of humor and flat-out horror. There are wonderful characterizations among the real-life people with deformities, and they all perform well. I think that Frida is a real sweetheart, and it's especially touching when she says to Hans "to me, you are a man."
The scene where the "freaks" are chasing Cleo through the rain and mud is quite effective and unsettling; it's unsurprising that a 1930s audience found it too disturbing. It's a shame that the extra footage of that sequence still remains lost (apparently it was strongly hinted that Hercules was castrated).
The "one of us" chanting scene was very memorable and has become somewhat iconic and has been spoofed many times (in particular the South Park episode "Butters' Very Own Episode").
Freaks was severely underappreciated in its time, largely from being banned for decades, but has since become regarded as a true horror classic, and rightfully so.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Feb 3, 2019 20:45:58 GMT
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Feb 5, 2019 17:06:27 GMT
Love this movie. I can't look away when it's on.
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