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Post by lenlenlen1 on Feb 1, 2019 19:52:24 GMT
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Post by hi224 on Feb 2, 2019 2:29:50 GMT
i don't side with anyone here.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 2, 2019 18:15:09 GMT
I agree. Well said.
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Post by hi224 on Feb 2, 2019 19:11:33 GMT
I honestly think let others like what they like.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 2, 2019 20:09:43 GMT
Yeah I remember the sports argument used when people were attacking Star Trek fans as childish. While there is some validity to that--especially the wearing of sports jerseys (cosplay?), the problem with the analogy is that sports crosses all ages, and is not presented as anything intellectual, while superheroes are (they never used to be and people accepted them as such).
I think intuitively, people are aware that the superhero came out of juvenile publishing, and not national mythology like Hercules did. Italy made a lot of muscle bound action movies in the 60s--but the peplum was connected to their heritage.
Superman from day 1 was a corporate mascot.
Sports and superheroes share a couple of things in common though--uniforms and celebration of heroic success (or rather that used to be celebrated in a superhero story before the angst crept in).
The basic observation of the Maher rant is right: there is something wrong with the proliferation of juvenile entertainment products of limited range as mainstream culture, but he gets the rest of it wrong. He blames the fans of such things, and not the corporations that are pounding everyone over the head with it, like the company he works for.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 7:02:15 GMT
Peter David is a great writer. He created my all time favourite DC Comic Book series, the Supergirl (Linda Danvers) series and its unofficial follow up 'Fallen Angel' which focused on Linda Danvers (Liandra) when she was older. I read a few comic books like Batman, Wonder Woman, The Phantom, Spider-Man, Sonic the Hedgehog and Archie in the late 80s and early 90s but it was the 'Supergirl (Linda Danvers)' series, 'Witchblade' and 'Razor' that got me into comic books and after that I loved them. What I loved about Linda Danvers was she was so different than any female character I had seen in comic books before and she was a former drug addict and member of a demonic cult who sacrificed people to demons and when her boyfriend, Buzz tried to sacrifice her to a demon the Matrix intervened and they become the new Supergirl and Linda Danvers fought demons, vampires, witches, werewolves, zombies, monsters and even Lucifer to redeem her darkened soul.
Linda was completely different than Kara Zor-El and had her own powers which included the ability to shapeshift, heal people, teleport, wings of flame, Telekinesis, make portals, absorb fire, shoot psionic blasts out of her hands, she could blow things up by focusing on them with her mind and see the last few seconds of a dead person’s life just by looking into their eyes. She had her own characters and villains like Buzz, Carnivore, Etrigan, Baalzebub, Lilith, Twilight and she went on to become the Earth Born Angel of Fire and unlike Supergirl she had no problem killing villains and she would burn demons into dust, rip people's heads off with her hands and she would drop people from the sky and catch them right before they fell to make them tell her what she wanted to know. As a Horror fan I loved the series and it was dark, aggressive, violent, edgy and graphic and Linda was bad ass but she was also human and had her own struggles and problems with anger which was something I hadn't seen with a female character in comic books, movies or TV shows.
I have read a lot of comic books over the years and many of them haven't been for children. Series like Witchblade, The Darkness, Razor, Faust, The Crow, Painkiller Jane, Lady Death, Hack/Slash, Darkchylde, Aphrodite IX, Saga, Nancy In Hell, The Magdalena, Red Sonja, Cyber Force, Spawn, Fathom, Soulfire, Bitch Planet, Purgatori, Gen 13, Rat Queens, Artifacts, Pandora, Vampirella, Hellina, The Ravening, Avegeleyne, Sunstone, Avegeleyne, Vampblade, Shi, The Mask, Poizon, The Dresden Files, Criminal Macabre, Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose, Insexts, Monstress, Sex Criminals, Rogues!, Red Fury, Wynonna Earp, Fallen Angel, Dejah Thoris, The Tenth Muse, Belladonna, the Wicked & the Divine, Wonderland (Zenescope), Warrior Nun Areala, Strangers In Paradise, Sheena: Queen of the Jungle etc etc weren't written for children and are ultra violent and have far more blood, gore, sex and nudity than anything I have seen in movies or TV shows. I am looking forward to seeing the new movies of 'Razor' and 'Spawn' 'cause we will finally get comic book movies that aren't watered down like 'Faust: Love of the Damned' was and are ultra violent.
Comic books were originally created for adults with many Crime, Horror and Romance series and it wasn't until the superhero genre come about and become popular with children and the Comics Code Authority decided to swoop in and censor everything 'cause people were complaining over how violent they were comic books become mainly for children but that changed in the 80s when a lot of the censoring stopped and comic book writers were free to include as much violence, blood, gore, coarse language, sex and nudity as they wanted. Comic books are far more progressive now than Hollywood and the TV Industry and have been since the early 90s with hundreds of female lead series and series with LGBT leads that tackle real issues and have many FEMALE writers like Marjorie Liu who last year become the first female writer in history to win the Best Writer award for her Horror series, 'Monstress.' If Bill thinks comic books are for children he should read 'Sunstone' which is a BDSM Lesbian Romance series that has been highly praised among the LGBT community. 
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