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Post by kolchak92 on Feb 2, 2019 19:26:48 GMT
I think the fact that it's set in 1912 inoculates it in a way, as it was such a different world. If it was set in the present, I think it'd be a different story.
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Post by Vits on Feb 2, 2019 19:48:16 GMT
why is everyone okay with Barry Jenkins’ Moonlight? Doesn’t that film have a handjob scene between two minors? Exactly. They're both minors.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 2, 2019 19:53:12 GMT
I think the fact that it's set in 1912 inoculates it in a way, as it was such a different world. If it was set in the present, I think it'd be a different story. This. Paul Verhoeven’s medieval movie Flesh+Blood has Rutger Hauer paired up with Jennifer Jason Leigh. I think her character was written to be 15, 16.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 2, 2019 20:06:11 GMT
why is everyone okay with Barry Jenkins’ Moonlight? Doesn’t that film have a handjob scene between two minors? Exactly. They're both minors. Pretty sure the characters in Stephen King’s It were also all minors when they had that orgy. People still gave King a lot of flack for that.
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Post by rizdek on Feb 2, 2019 20:09:04 GMT
In those days it was common for teenaged girls to be married. If you weren't wed by twenty you were verging on old maid status. Billy Zane seemed even older still. That is actually utter BS. Most women who got married at that time were in their 20s . It was very rare for people under 20 to get married and it was mostly royalty and nobility that got married very young. Common men and women got mainly married when they were in their 20s. I think you all are talking two different things. Leb said it was common for teenaged girls to get married and you responded by saying MOST women that were married were in their twenties as if that contradicted what he said. It doesn't. It is true that MOST women were/are in their 20s. But it was still common for teenaged girls to be married.
Considering over 2 million women in the US get married every year, if just 2% of them got married in their teen years, that would mean it was pretty common...over 40,000 per year. That would probably mean that in any given week several hundred teenaged women would be getting married. What's more relevant is that THEN, and even now eyebrows would not be raised...at least in the US... at the morality of a teenaged woman...17, 18 or 19 was getting married. Especially if the guy was only a few years older...say 20, 21 or 22. On-lookers might wonder at the wisdom of it...but not the morality of it. And THAT was the issue of this thread...why wasn't there more negative rsp at a 17 yr old having sex with a guy a few years older. Reason: It is not all that uncommon for women in their late teens to have sex and get married.
This site show the distribution of ages of people being married and shows that ~2% are in their teens.
At the time the Titanic sank...1912, the median age of women at their first marriage was between 21 and 22. And it's important to focus on first marriages...because of course, second marriages, etc. will be at older ages.
So it would seem likely that marriages by late teen age women were fairly common.
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Post by OldAussie on Feb 2, 2019 20:13:34 GMT
not an issue!
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Post by BATouttaheck on Feb 2, 2019 20:18:07 GMT
probably because the viewer has to be TOLD that Rose is 17 and Jack is 20 because by LOOKING at them they seem to be MUCH older … being played by non 17/20 actors doesn't help in guessing their ages … PLUS Rose is engaged to someone ... yes ?
"Why hasn’t anyone called out James Cameron for this? No doubt you are not the first one to pick this particular nit <---- <major eyeroll emoji>
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Feb 3, 2019 0:24:44 GMT
17 and 20 is an age gap of just 3 years. I've known men married to or dating women a decade their junior.
Moreover, age of consent laws vary by jurisdiction. The age of consent where I live is 17, for example, so their relationship would be perfectly legal here.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 3, 2019 0:36:57 GMT
She was not underage. The age of consent in the UK at that time was 16. Also they are only 3 years apart so i don`t really see the problem. It just seems weird that everyone was just okay with a 17 year old stripping nude and havin sex... I guess while we’re at it, I have to ask: why is everyone okay with Barry Jenkins’ Moonlight? Doesn’t that film have a handjob scene between two minors? Because 2 minors having sex isn't illegal as long as the age gap isn't over a couple years. The reason people have a problem with the depiction of a sexual relationship between someone over the age of consent and someone under, is because it is illegal and taboo. I'm surprised most people don't have this problem with American Beauty. Not only is Spacey's character sexually obsessed with a 17 year old girl, but Thora Birch has a nude scene in the movie and she was 17 while filming that scene.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 3, 2019 1:35:05 GMT
It just seems weird that everyone was just okay with a 17 year old stripping nude and havin sex... I guess while we’re at it, I have to ask: why is everyone okay with Barry Jenkins’ Moonlight? Doesn’t that film have a handjob scene between two minors? Because 2 minors having sex isn't illegal as long as the age gap isn't over a couple years. The reason people have a problem with the depiction of a sexual relationship between someone over the age of consent and someone under, is because it is illegal and taboo. I'm surprised most people don't have this problem with American Beauty. Not only is Spacey's character sexually obsessed with a 17 year old girl, but Thora Birch has a nude scene in the movie and she was 17 while filming that scene. But again, if people are okay with minors having sex with each other, why is that orgy scene in Stephen King’s It so controversial? The Losers were all the same age.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 3, 2019 2:03:52 GMT
Because 2 minors having sex isn't illegal as long as the age gap isn't over a couple years. The reason people have a problem with the depiction of a sexual relationship between someone over the age of consent and someone under, is because it is illegal and taboo. I'm surprised most people don't have this problem with American Beauty. Not only is Spacey's character sexually obsessed with a 17 year old girl, but Thora Birch has a nude scene in the movie and she was 17 while filming that scene. But again, if people are okay with minors having sex with each other, why is that orgy scene in Stephen King’s It so controversial? The Losers were all the same age. An orgy scene is something else entirely and they are especially young. Even adult orgy scenes make people uncomfortable.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 3, 2019 2:37:29 GMT
The age of the actors makes a difference too.
Kate Winslet was 21 when filming Titanic.
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Post by Vits on Feb 3, 2019 11:48:37 GMT
Pretty sure the characters in Stephen King’s It were also all minors when they had that orgy. People still gave King a lot of flack for that. The characters in TITANIC and MOONLIGHT had sex because they wanted to express their love for each other. The characters in IT were close friends and 2 of the boys had feelings for the girl, but it's not that they all were in love with one another. Not to mention that an orgy is a much more extreme form of sex. I'm surprised most people don't have this problem with American Beauty. Not only is Spacey's character sexually obsessed with a 17 year old girl, but Thora Birch has a nude scene in the movie and she was 17 while filming that scene. People don't have a problem with it because LESTER doesn't sleep with ANGELA. And it's not that someone stopped him; it was his choice. Thora's parents aproved that scene because they saw the artistic merit. It wasn't exploitative and it wasn't really that much sexualized.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 3, 2019 14:42:05 GMT
Pretty sure the characters in Stephen King’s It were also all minors when they had that orgy. People still gave King a lot of flack for that. The characters in TITANIC and MOONLIGHT had sex because they wanted to express their love for each other. The characters in IT were close friends and 2 of the boys had feelings for the girl, but it's not that they all were in love with one another. Not to mention that an orgy is a much more extreme form of sex. I'm surprised most people don't have this problem with American Beauty. Not only is Spacey's character sexually obsessed with a 17 year old girl, but Thora Birch has a nude scene in the movie and she was 17 while filming that scene. People don't have a problem with it because LESTER doesn't sleep with ANGELA. And it's not that someone stopped him; it was his choice. Thora's parents aproved that scene because they saw the artistic merit. It wasn't exploitative and it wasn't really that much sexualized. It's still surprising to me and I am aware of the circumstances.
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