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Post by Karl Aksel on Feb 11, 2019 15:12:15 GMT
Right. And there must be aliens out there....and we'll make contact with them someday.....and Francis will convert them to Catholicism. What a load. Don't be silly... the ants will have taken over long before the aliens arrive.
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Post by geode on Feb 12, 2019 6:00:18 GMT
I also have to wonder if he wrote this because he has a grudge against Pope Francis for relieving him of an important position where he defined Catholic doctrine. I saw a show in the UK several decades ago. A Jewish scholar was remarking about Christianity and said that if a faith did not grow and change, it would stagnate and die. The approach in this manifesto is very rigid and apparently in favor of stifling change. I like the approach of Pope Francis much better. But he has ruffled the feathers of a lot of conservative Catholics. Francis is a reformer, and a breath of fresh air... The Catholic Church has been growing, changing, and adapting for 2,000 years. Modern day 'conservative' Catholics don't know their history, and are in a minority. There seem to be very different impressions about Pope Francis as given in this thread. In general I have been impressed with him, but I am not Catholic. I wonder what the concensus opinion might be among the Catholics here?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 12:35:41 GMT
Francis is a reformer, and a breath of fresh air... The Catholic Church has been growing, changing, and adapting for 2,000 years. Modern day 'conservative' Catholics don't know their history, and are in a minority. There seem to be very different impressions about Pope Francis as given in this thread. In general I have been impressed with him, but I am not Catholic. I wonder what the concensus opinion might be among the Catholics here? Think you will find that Pope Francis is very popular with most Catholics. The need for reformist change was evidenced by the Irish people voting to allow gay marriage. People who oppose him most seem to be non-catholic conservative US evangelical nutjobs... and quite frankly if we are upsetting them, our Church is moving in the right direction.
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Post by Zos on Feb 12, 2019 12:49:28 GMT
There seem to be very different impressions about Pope Francis as given in this thread. In general I have been impressed with him, but I am not Catholic. I wonder what the concensus opinion might be among the Catholics here? Think you will find that Pope Francis is very popular with most Catholics. The need for reformist change was evidenced by the Irish people voting to allow gay marriage. People who oppose him most seem to be non-catholic conservative US evangelical nutjobs... and quite frankly if we are upsetting them, our Church is moving in the right direction. Would you not say that there is a big movement against him within the Holy See?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 13:01:11 GMT
Think you will find that Pope Francis is very popular with most Catholics. The need for reformist change was evidenced by the Irish people voting to allow gay marriage. People who oppose him most seem to be non-catholic conservative US evangelical nutjobs... and quite frankly if we are upsetting them, our Church is moving in the right direction. Would you not say that there is a big movement against him within the Holy See? There is some kickback. But they have to realise the world has moved on. If the Holy See doesn't acknowledge that and modernise, it is doomed.
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Post by geode on Feb 13, 2019 7:02:11 GMT
There seem to be very different impressions about Pope Francis as given in this thread. In general I have been impressed with him, but I am not Catholic. I wonder what the concensus opinion might be among the Catholics here? Think you will find that Pope Francis is very popular with most Catholics. The need for reformist change was evidenced by the Irish people voting to allow gay marriage. People who oppose him most seem to be non-catholic conservative US evangelical nutjobs... and quite frankly if we are upsetting them, our Church is moving in the right direction. But the Catholics on this board have for the most part remained silent, at least in terms of this thread. Yes, ticking off right-wing evangelicals often means something is good.
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