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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 11, 2019 0:03:09 GMT
I don’t know if Disney should want to make more movies about him...
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Post by politicidal on Feb 11, 2019 0:20:02 GMT
Apparently Karen Allen came up with the whole backstory of their initial romance when Marion was 15. But Spielberg and later versions placed her canonically at 17 when she first met Jones.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 11, 2019 0:23:59 GMT
Apparently Karen Allen came up with the whole backstory of their initial romance when Marion was 15. But Spielberg and later versions placed her canonically at 17 when she first met Jones. The novelization apparently says that she was 15 when they first began their relationship, and 17 when he left her. Also, Lucas apparently said that he wanted her to have been...11. Yikes. |
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Post by politicidal on Feb 11, 2019 0:25:54 GMT
Apparently Karen Allen came up with the whole backstory of their initial romance when Marion was 15. But Spielberg and later versions placed her canonically at 17 when she first met Jones. The novelization apparently says that she was 15 when they first began their relationship, and 17 when he left her. Also, Lucas apparently said that he wanted her to have been...11. Yikes. That would had been unacceptable. As it is, it's not pleasant but I think for the times, it might not had been uncommon. Kind of like in Titanic. At least he married her in the end.  |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Feb 15, 2019 21:19:45 GMT
How old was Indy supposed to be at the time?
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Post by sdrew13163 on Feb 15, 2019 21:21:29 GMT
Also, Lucas apparently said that he wanted her to have been...11. What the fuck |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 15, 2019 21:28:50 GMT
How old was Indy supposed to be at the time? 27 or something. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Feb 15, 2019 22:11:43 GMT
How old was Indy supposed to be at the time? 27 or something. Yeah that’s a little much. Seems like a useless addition to the narrative to make her so young. Her being 21 and having her heart broken is just as effective and definitely not as creepy. |
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Post by leesilm on Feb 19, 2019 0:07:59 GMT
My neighbor, when I was a kid, would be about the same age as Marion (the wiki lists her DOB as 1909 and Indy's as 1899, my neighbor was born in 1912). She said that her sister was 16 when she got married to a 30yr old neighbor and my own neighbor lady (Elaine) had been 14 when she married her 40yr old husband, and no one thought anything of it at the time. So that's like 1926 when my neighbor got married, and the 1930s is when the Indy movies start, so I doubt anyone would have thought much of a 15yr old girl and a 27yr old guy together, if people weren't raising eyebrows about 14-17yr old girls marrying 30+ year old men. My own grandma said that her mother had been 16 when she married my great-grandfather, who was almost 40, and they had three kids, were married 15 years before she became a widow, and she lived a long, fairly happy widowhood.
Don't get me wrong, it makes my skin crawl - but in an era where a lot of younger men had died in WWI (through Europe and to a lesser degree, the US, plus Australia/etc.) and there had been a lot of sickness (the Spanish Influenza, etc.), people sort of had this, "Live today, you could be dead tomorrow" thing going on, along with the freedom of a new century, plus the fact that there weren't as many younger men to go around, not to mention the fact that for centuries before that men in their 30s-50s married girls 14-21, because a man was supposed to establish himself, make a home, etc., then get married to a woman young enough to have quite a few years of good baby-making capability. History in another country, they do things differently there <-- is the saying.
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Post by jimanchower on Jul 3, 2019 21:17:53 GMT
The novelization apparently says that she was 15 when they first began their relationship, and 17 when he left her. Also, Lucas apparently said that he wanted her to have been...11. Yikes. That would had been unacceptable. As it is, it's not pleasant but I think for the times, it might not had been uncommon. Kind of like in Titanic. At least he married her in the end. Yeah, I think even `100 years ago fucking an 11 year old would have been severely frowned upon.
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Post by leesilm on Jul 6, 2019 2:24:25 GMT
That would had been unacceptable. As it is, it's not pleasant but I think for the times, it might not had been uncommon. Kind of like in Titanic. At least he married her in the end. Yeah, I think even `100 years ago fucking an 11 year old would have been severely frowned upon. Yeah. If she was 15yrs old to his 27yrs - people may not have had any waggling eyebrow action over it. Especially given that Marion strikes me as probably smart enough and sassy enough that many probably thought she just looked young for her age (I mean, even in the first movie, she doesn't look her age - and that's after the rough couple years she had before Indy showed up), and Indy looked young for his age in all the first three movies, so people probably thought he was like 19 and she was also 19 with a baby-face. It only would have been people they knew, who would have been aware of her true age AND the difference between Indy & Marion's ages. And being that they were hiding their relationship from Abner, people who knew them also probably were getting the wool pulled over their eyes. Now 11 and 27, or 11 and 23, that would be creepy pretty much everywhere except among the highest nobles in Medieval Europe [still frowned upon because it was assumed the girl was too young and too small for her to have healthy, robust sons who would survive birth]. That's creepy.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Aug 31, 2019 10:28:42 GMT
That would had been unacceptable. As it is, it's not pleasant but I think for the times, it might not had been uncommon. Kind of like in Titanic. At least he married her in the end. Yeah, I think even `100 years ago fucking an 11 year old would have been severely frowned upon. That actually depends. It wasn't until 1999 that Spain increased the age of consent to 15 - from 12. Age of consent laws didn't really come about until the late 19th century - before that, age of consent had been tied to age of marriage, the legal age of which had been around 10-12 most places in the world. The state of Delaware, for example, had a legal age of consent (or rather, marriage) of 10 years until 1871. At which time it was lowered to 7, and remained so until the 1960s when it was finally raised to 18. Most other US states, however, had raised their ages of consent to 16 or 18 by 1920, following a puritan/feminist movement contemporaneous with similar movements in Europe. It all seems to stem from a series of newspaper articles in the UK, published 1885 and titled The Maiden Tribute of Modern Babylon. The author, William Thomas Stead, was an investigative journalist who wanted to bring the plight of London's child prostitutes to light - though his methods were rather questionable: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_Armstrong_caseThe short version of the events: Stead went "undercover" as a potential client looking for a virgin. He found 13 year old Eliza Armstrong, procured from her alcoholic mother via a procurer. So he went to the brothel to pick up Eliza, who had been drugged. Stead was himself drunk, in order to play his part convincingly. He carried Eliza up to the designated room, put her in bed and waited for her to wake up. When she did, she began to scream. After which Stead handed her over to the Salvation Army who brought her to France to be brought up by a Salvationist family. You'd think he'd have enough material without frightening the girl half to death the way he did, but there you have it. In any case, The Maiden Tribute of Modern Babylon spread like wildfire, not just in the UK but all over Europe as it was quickly translated. This is what brought childrens' sexual immaturity to the public consciousness, and this prompted revised legislation all over Europe. The most immediate effect was the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885, which raised the age of consent in the UK to 16. In short, our modern sensibilities concerning age of consent is not all that old - and the change was very abrupt.
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