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Post by Sandman on Feb 11, 2019 1:48:09 GMT
I wanted to watch a good gritty crime drama and that's how Natural Born Killers was listed. Started out that way but it soon turned into a comedy. If I wanted to see a comedy I would have picked one listed as comedy. I will say Juliette Lewis was very good in it.
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Post by James on Feb 12, 2019 11:38:42 GMT
This is considered a cult film?
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Post by geode on Feb 19, 2019 8:58:25 GMT
This is considered a cult film? Good question. It is extremely well known and popular, which is not typical for a cult film.
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Post by James on Feb 22, 2019 17:31:08 GMT
This is considered a cult film? Good question. It is extremely well known and popular, which is not typical for a cult film. Then again I just read the other day on Wikipedia that Fight Club is established as a cult film. Guess it just means that one film has been unpopular for the time and then grew a more fond response overtime.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Feb 22, 2019 21:05:13 GMT
Best movie ever made
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Post by geode on Feb 24, 2019 17:34:01 GMT
It is a very dark satire and one of the best on media hype and institutional and establishment corruption. It aint' too subtle, but it certainly is vivid and strong and pulls no punches. Whatever...but is it a cult movie?
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Post by James on Feb 25, 2019 0:02:44 GMT
Whatever...but is it a cult movie? How would you define cult? I'd say yes! Can’t speak for geode, but I think for a cult film it has to be lesser known to the general public. Natural Born Killers is already a well-known and popular film nowadays, despite not gaining recognition initially. JC’s The Thing, Blade Runner and Fight Club are other examples of this. Therefore, I don’t see them as cult films.
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Post by James on Feb 25, 2019 1:20:33 GMT
Can’t speak for geode , but I think for a cult film it has to be lesser known to the general public. Natural Born Killers is already a well-known and popular film nowadays, despite not gaining recognition initially. JC’s The Thing, Blade Runner and Fight Club are other examples of this. Therefore, I don’t see them as cult films. I see a cult film as a film that has a following from the past and has a fanbase attributed to it, when it is not a part of the current generations psyche, but has a potential to be discovered by them and click. They are not usually mainstream, present something that can be seen as unusual and also subversive taboo breakers. They are generally non pc, but can also be cult due to them being a product of their time that perfectly encapsulates its era. All About Eve is considered a cult film and that is a classic film, which won best picture due to its quality, but is represents a milieu that is not of wide appeal.
Something like NBK would have a limited following today and is not exactly a smooth ride and the satire is strong and sharp and penetrating. It could also have been considered ahead of its time. It was also very original. It has cult written all over it and any film that has Tarantino's name attached does. His creativity is born out of his love and passion of the more offbeat style sub-genre of past celluloid.
I classify Stone's Wall Street as a cult film as well. It is a great 80's time capsule. Okay, fair enough. I just see them as movies that are popular to a degree, but not with a HUGE fanbase.
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Post by geode on Feb 25, 2019 6:13:35 GMT
Can’t speak for geode , but I think for a cult film it has to be lesser known to the general public. Natural Born Killers is already a well-known and popular film nowadays, despite not gaining recognition initially. JC’s The Thing, Blade Runner and Fight Club are other examples of this. Therefore, I don’t see them as cult films. I see a cult film as a film that has a following from the past and has a fanbase attributed to it, when it is not a part of the current generations psyche, but has a potential to be discovered by them and click. They are not usually mainstream, present something that can be seen as unusual and also subversive taboo breakers. They are generally non pc, but can also be cult due to them being a product of their time that perfectly encapsulates its era. All About Eve is considered a cult film and that is a classic film, which won best picture due to its quality, but is represents a milieu that is not of wide appeal.
Something like NBK would have a limited following today and is not exactly a smooth ride and the satire is strong and sharp and penetrating. It could also have been considered ahead of its time. It was also very original. It has cult written all over it and any film that has Tarantino's name attached does. His creativity is born out of his love and passion of the more offbeat style sub-genre of past celluloid.
I classify Stone's Wall Street as a cult film as well. It is a great 80's time capsule. I have never seen "All About Eve" termed a cult movie....until now. I don't think it even remotely fits any criteria usually used to be considered as one, including your own that you bring up here. Your definition of being out of the past and not fitting in with a current generation does not ring as being very accurate. Something like "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" was embraced as a cult film in its own era and by its own generation.
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Post by geode on Mar 16, 2019 20:01:07 GMT
I have never seen "All About Eve" termed a cult movie....until now. I don't think it even remotely fits any criteria usually used to be considered as one, including your own that you bring up here. Your definition of being out of the past and not fitting in with a current generation does not ring as being very accurate. Something like "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" was embraced as a cult film in its own era and by its own generation. Film critic and writer Danny Peary has a few books entitled Cult Movies and he placed All About Eve in it.
I think the term cult gets a bit of leeway, but of course, RHPS fits the bill like a glove. That is a cult phenomena.
Current generations may not know of past films until introduced and a new cult can be formed, or added too.
I guess I strongly disagree with Danny Peary then. I think it takes an enormous stretch to include "All About Eve" as a cult film. If it is included I guess a case could be made for thousands of films that virtually no one else thinks about in this way. What characteristics does he think makes it count? I guess it has one line that is quoted a fair amount, but probably most people hearing it have no idea where it came from.
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Post by dirtypillows on Mar 17, 2019 1:57:21 GMT
I guess I strongly disagree with Danny Peary then. I think it takes an enormous stretch to include "All About Eve" as a cult film. If it is included I guess a case could be made for thousands of films that virtually no one else thinks about in this way. What characteristics does he think makes it count? I guess it has one line that is quoted a fair amount, but probably most people hearing it have no idea where it came from. Cult is about worship, over something or other. I would say a film like All About Eve, does have it's fair share of worshippers. It is not everyone's cup of tea, but is revered by Davis fans—who are in a sense a cult too—and for film lovers of classic films.
Peary wanted to write a book about films he liked\loved, or found interesting and some were more obscure. He had to call it something.
I have all three of Danny Peary's three cult film books. I like him pretty well. He's smart and articulate and makes interesting connections all over the place. If anything, maybe he is a wee bit on the side of the "falsely modest", but things could be a lot worse than that. He gave Sissy Spacek the Oscar for "Carrie" and nominated "3 Women" as one of the best pictures of the year. He's allright with me.
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Post by geode on Mar 17, 2019 19:46:20 GMT
I guess I strongly disagree with Danny Peary then. I think it takes an enormous stretch to include "All About Eve" as a cult film. If it is included I guess a case could be made for thousands of films that virtually no one else thinks about in this way. What characteristics does he think makes it count? I guess it has one line that is quoted a fair amount, but probably most people hearing it have no idea where it came from. Cult is about worship, over something or other. I would say a film like All About Eve, does have it's fair share of worshippers. It is not everyone's cup of tea, but is revered by Davis fans—who are in a sense a cult too—and for film lovers of classic films.
Peary wanted to write a book about films he liked\loved, or found interesting and some were more obscure. He had to call it something.
I think "All About Eve" has admirers, but I doubt there any many, if any, that could say to be "worshipers" at least to no more a degree than thousands of movies. If the category is made so broad as to include all of these, it loses meaning or utility.
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Post by dirtypillows on Mar 18, 2019 1:19:39 GMT
I have all three of Danny Peary's three cult film books. I like him pretty well. He's smart and articulate and makes interesting connections all over the place. If anything, maybe he is a wee bit on the side of the "falsely modest", but things could be a lot worse than that. He gave Sissy Spacek the Oscar for "Carrie" and nominated "3 Women" as one of the best pictures of the year. He's allright with me. I don't think I have these anymore Mr. Dirty. I would have to rumage around. Does Peary give an insight into his definition of the term 'cult' at the start. If I recall, I think he might.
Would you consider Carrie and 3 Women as cult films? I know I would. Some of Peary's choices were nutty, but it is all subjective.
I have one of Danny's cult books in my bathroom/library. I am reading it as leisure allows for. I think it is part 3. I will have to go back and check his intro, but Peary does like to analyze things and he is never shortage of words. I have no doubt he goes into a detailed explanation of what makes a cult film a cult film. I agree with what you say about some of DP's choices for cult status. I would say that "Carrie" is probably a cult film and "3 Women" is without a doubt a cult film. I am pretty sure he had "Badlands" on one of his lists. He did really like "3 Women", I know that for sure. It would have been fabulous if he had decided to give Duvall the Oscar in '77. But she did get his nomination.
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Post by geode on Apr 11, 2019 20:37:06 GMT
I have one of Danny's cult books in my bathroom/library. I am reading it as leisure allows for. I think it is part 3. I will have to go back and check his intro, but Peary does like to analyze things and he is never shortage of words. I have no doubt he goes into a detailed explanation of what makes a cult film a cult film. I agree with what you say about some of DP's choices for cult status. I would say that "Carrie" is probably a cult film and "3 Women" is without a doubt a cult film. I am pretty sure he had "Badlands" on one of his lists. He did really like "3 Women", I know that for sure. It would have been fabulous if he had decided to give Duvall the Oscar in '77. But she did get his nomination.He was happy with Keaton's win for Annie Hall. She was more deserving for Goodbar though I thought and of course Duvall got a nom nod along with Spacek. I'm confused. I don't remember Duvall or Spacek being nominated that year.
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