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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 22:57:32 GMT
It's poem over music. There is very little to distinguish one rap song from another besides the words. The beat of the songs are mostly the same, loud and repetitive. There is almost no musicality at all. It's a distinct form of 'music', though I have never thought of it as music.
Plus, there is no real singing. It's all talking.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 15, 2019 3:23:08 GMT
Whether it's sung, spoken, rhymed, or scatted, I tend to think of vocals as another instrument. If the vocals of a rap song were replaced with, say, a piano playing the exact notes of the vocals, there would be no argument. I don't see why it would be any different simply because the notes are being played with words. So a spoken poem with no music is a song? The reader is using their voice? How about a plain speech?
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Post by Admin on Mar 15, 2019 5:09:56 GMT
Whether it's sung, spoken, rhymed, or scatted, I tend to think of vocals as another instrument. If the vocals of a rap song were replaced with, say, a piano playing the exact notes of the vocals, there would be no argument. I don't see why it would be any different simply because the notes are being played with words. So a spoken poem with no music is a song? The reader is using their voice? How about a plain speech? I bet there are many who think of poetry readings as music of sorts. While I can see it as such, I am not one of them. That said, I suppose an a capella rap would not be a "song" to me unless it's sung. Plain speech? No, not me. But I'm sure there are those who hear "music" in everything. I think I would like to be one of those people.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 15, 2019 5:20:51 GMT
So a spoken poem with no music is a song? The reader is using their voice? How about a plain speech? I bet there are many who think of poetry readings as music of sorts. While I can see it as such, I am not one of them. That said, I suppose an a capella rap would not be a "song" to me unless it's sung. Plain speech? No, not me. But I'm sure there are those who hear "music" in everything. I think I would like to be one of those people. That is my point about rap. They are just speaking a poem over background music. They are not singing. People sing a song. Nobody speaks a song.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 15, 2019 5:22:56 GMT
I suppose it depends on if you'd call an instrumental a song instead of a composition. I divide music into two categories... Instrumentals and vocalizations.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 15, 2019 5:26:57 GMT
I suppose it depends on if you'd call an instrumental a song instead of a composition. I divide music into two categories... Instrumentals and vocalizations. A speech is a vocalization. You call that music?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 5:28:20 GMT
It's a song where the focus of the instrument is on rhythm rather than melody.
If drums are an instrument, then rap is singing.
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Post by imusuallyrite on Mar 15, 2019 5:32:21 GMT
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 15, 2019 5:32:59 GMT
I divide music into two categories... Instrumentals and vocalizations. A speech is a vocalization. You call that music? Only if it's considered to be music. Actually, there are forms of music that consist purely of the Human voice and no musical instruments...
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Post by Admin on Mar 15, 2019 5:36:35 GMT
I bet there are many who think of poetry readings as music of sorts. While I can see it as such, I am not one of them. That said, I suppose an a capella rap would not be a "song" to me unless it's sung. Plain speech? No, not me. But I'm sure there are those who hear "music" in everything. I think I would like to be one of those people. That is my point about rap. They are just speaking a poem over background music. They are not singing. People sing a song. Nobody speaks a song. If it's speaking over background music, the "speaking" becomes the "vocals." Or in other words, another instrument of the track. I wouldn't go so far as to say a comedian is singing if there happens to be a piano player in the bar, but I guess it depends on whether or not it was coordinated. I'm admittedly not well-versed in the rap arena, but I believe I wouldn't be too far off the mark to say that most if not all rap songs are coordinated to some degree, if even just selecting the right beat and key to support the lyrics. Consider this:
And this: Sounds like a song to me.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 15, 2019 5:41:41 GMT
A speech is a vocalization. You call that music? Only if it's considered to be music. Actually, there are forms of music that consist purely of the Human voice and no musical instruments... Yeah, of course, people can sing a song with no music. But they are singing. Not speaking.
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Post by imusuallyrite on Mar 15, 2019 5:41:51 GMT
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Post by movieliker on Mar 15, 2019 5:43:15 GMT
That is my point about rap. They are just speaking a poem over background music. They are not singing. People sing a song. Nobody speaks a song. If it's speaking over background music, the "speaking" becomes the "vocals." Or in other words, another instrument of the track. I wouldn't go so far as to say a comedian is singing if there happens to be a piano player in the bar, but I guess it depends on whether or not it was coordinated. I'm admittedly not well-versed in the rap arena, but I believe I wouldn't be too far off the mark to say that most if not all rap songs are coordinated to some degree, if even just selecting the right beat and key to support the lyrics. Consider this:
And this: Sounds like a song to me. Actors speaking their lines in a movie are coordinated with the background music. So are actors singing in movies with background music?
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Post by imusuallyrite on Mar 15, 2019 5:43:25 GMT
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 15, 2019 5:44:24 GMT
Only if it's considered to be music. Actually, there are forms of music that consist purely of the Human voice and no musical instruments... Yeah, of course, people can sing a song with no music. But they are singing. Not speaking. There are some performers who have "sung" by speaking.
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Post by imusuallyrite on Mar 15, 2019 5:45:10 GMT
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Post by movieliker on Mar 15, 2019 5:52:22 GMT
That is my point about rap. They are just speaking a poem over background music. They are not singing. People sing a song. Nobody speaks a song. If it's speaking over background music, the "speaking" becomes the "vocals." Or in other words, another instrument of the track. I wouldn't go so far as to say a comedian is singing if there happens to be a piano player in the bar, but I guess it depends on whether or not it was coordinated. I'm admittedly not well-versed in the rap arena, but I believe I wouldn't be too far off the mark to say that most if not all rap songs are coordinated to some degree, if even just selecting the right beat and key to support the lyrics. Consider this:
And this: Sounds like a song to me. Not me.
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Post by Admin on Mar 15, 2019 5:54:02 GMT
If it's speaking over background music, the "speaking" becomes the "vocals." Or in other words, another instrument of the track. I wouldn't go so far as to say a comedian is singing if there happens to be a piano player in the bar, but I guess it depends on whether or not it was coordinated. I'm admittedly not well-versed in the rap arena, but I believe I wouldn't be too far off the mark to say that most if not all rap songs are coordinated to some degree, if even just selecting the right beat and key to support the lyrics. Consider this: And this: Sounds like a song to me. Actors speaking their lines in a movie are coordinated with the background music. So are actors singing in movies with background music? I don't think that's entirely true. Regardless, if they're speaking, they aren't singing. But if the speaking and the background music are coordinated and designed to go together (eg, the Alex Lifeson track above), then the talk becomes another instrument of the song. What if the vocal track was replaced with a piano playing the exact same notes that are being spoken? Would it sound like a song to you then?
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Post by movieliker on Mar 15, 2019 5:57:23 GMT
What if the vocal track was replaced with a piano playing the exact same notes that are being spoken? Would it sound like a song to you then? He would have to be singing for it to be a song for me.
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Post by Admin on Mar 15, 2019 5:58:40 GMT
What if the vocal track was replaced with a piano playing the exact same notes that are being spoken? Would it sound like a song to you then? He would have to be singing for it to be a song for me. Is an instrumental a song to you?
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