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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 13, 2019 15:57:54 GMT
Interesting, that's the second mention of the 'Gronk era' in this thread. I never thought about it that way. He's definitely been a huge factor in their general success since he was drafted, though he only played in 8 games in 2016 and missed the entire post-season while the Patriots won the Super Bowl anyway. No one’s saying that Gronk won them those titles by himself, he’s just a simple marker between two distinct eras of rosters. What's stranger to me is the championship drought during the Moss/Welker era. Can't believe this team couldn't put together a championship season with either of those guys.
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Post by sdm3 on Feb 13, 2019 15:59:15 GMT
No one’s saying that Gronk won them those titles by himself, he’s just a simple marker between two distinct eras of rosters. What's stranger to me is the championship drought during the Moss/Welker era. Can't believe this team couldn't put together a championship season with either of those guys. That’s because they sucked and had to adjust to not being able to cheat anymore.
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Post by NJtoTX on Feb 13, 2019 16:10:01 GMT
Winning 3 in 5 years gets you close, but would you call the San Francisco Giants a dynasty? That's a tough call, but I say no. If a team wins 5 with a basic core of guys, like the Jeter Yankees, that's a dynasty. The Shaq/Kobe Lakers, yes. I call the Pats a dynasty, although there definitely is a pre-Gronk and post-Gronk feel to them. Somewhat different than the 80s Niners, the 70s Steelers, and the 60s Packers Giants had a 76-86 season in there as well as no playoffs in the other year. Had those been playoff teams, they'd qualify.
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Post by Marv on Feb 13, 2019 17:03:12 GMT
Gronkowski is more just the placeholder for the second dynasty.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Feb 13, 2019 18:42:56 GMT
NHL's consecutive Cup wins..... 5: Canadiens 1956-60
4: Canadiens 1976-80 Islanders 1980-83
3: Maple Leafs 1947-49 Maple Leafs 1962-64
2: Senators (original) 1920-21 Canadiens 1930-31 Red Wings 1936-37 Red Wings 1954-55 Canadiens 1965-66 Canadiens 1968-69 Flyers 1974-75 Oilers 1984-85 Oilers 1987-88 Penguins 1991-92 Red Wings 1997-98 Penguins 2016-17
Consecutive Cup losers..... 3: Maple Leafs 1938-40 Blues 1968-70
2: Maple Leafs 1935-36 Red Wings 1941-42 Red Wings 1948-49 Canadiens 1951-52 Canadiens 1954-55 Bruins 1957-58 Maple Leafs 1959-60 Red Wings 1963-64 Bruins 1977-78
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Feb 13, 2019 18:53:58 GMT
Are the years of the 4 consecutive Super Bowl losses by the Bills a dynasty? They were at least an AFC dynasty.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Feb 13, 2019 19:23:34 GMT
My choices for NHL dynasties:
Ottawa Senators (original)-- 9 seasons from 1918/19 to 1926/27. 4 Cup wins (20-21-23-27) as well as 7 first place finishes in the regular season every year end from 1919 to 1927 except for 2nd place in 1921 and 4th in 1925. They didn't make the playoffs that year but did finish with a winning record and bounced back with 2 more first place seasons and another Cup following it. No other franchise won more than one Cup in this time or were anywhere near as consistent in the regular season so I include their entire run.
More later.....
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 13, 2019 19:32:32 GMT
Handful+ with on/off titles scattered around, & usually at least one back to back finish.
Recent SF Giants I don't think are either because their off years weren't even playoff qualifiers.
re. Patriots I think as one long play dynasty because of Belichick, Brady. While the supporting cast has turned over, the team philosophy & player types have been pretty common (Vinatieri-Gostkowski, Welker-Edelman, Bruschi-Hightower, Law-Gilmore, Harrison-McCourty, etc). They've had 3 out of 4 titles with outstanding defense anchoring the vanilla offense... their video game offense once that took, delivered zero titles, & now they've won another 3 with sound offense moving the chains & capable D also making their opponents move their chains with annoying baby steps.
The '85-'93 Blue Jays were a local dynasty of sorts, but not in overall MLB perspective.
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Post by tristramshandy on Feb 13, 2019 19:53:26 GMT
Interesting, that's the second mention of the 'Gronk era' in this thread. I never thought about it that way. He's definitely been a huge factor in their general success since he was drafted, though he only played in 8 games in 2016 and missed the entire post-season while the Patriots won the Super Bowl anyway. No one’s saying that Gronk won them those titles by himself, he’s just a simple marker between two distinct eras of rosters. It's the Vinatieri vs Gostkowski era.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Feb 13, 2019 19:56:32 GMT
Genuine sporting dynasties in sports I care about. We'll set the bar at 5 in 10 years or less. If you don't like it set your own fucking bar and don't cry to me. Basketball: Minneapolis Lakers 5 out of 6 (1949-54), Boston Celtics 11 out of 13 (1957-69), LA Lakers 5 out of 9 (1980-88) Chicago Bulls 6 out of 8 (1991-98) MLB: New York Yankees 6 out 8 (1936-43) 6 out of 7 (1947-53). AFL: Collingwood 6 in 10 (1927-36), Melbourne 6 in 10 (1955-64) Hawthorn 5 in 9 (1983-91) NRL: Balmain 5 in 6 (1915-20), Souths 7 out of 8 (1925-32), Souths 5 out of 6 (1950-55) The MIGHTY Dragons 11 out of 11 (1956-66), Brisbane if you count Super League 5 out of 9 (1992-2000). NHL: Toronto 5 in 7 (1945-51), Montreal 5 in 5 (1956-60), Montreal 10 in 14 (1966-79). Edmonton 5 in 7 (1984-80).
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Post by Aj_June on Feb 13, 2019 20:00:23 GMT
Genuine sporting dynasties in sports I care about. We'll set the bar at 5 in 10 years or less. If you don't like it set your own fucking bar and don't cry to me. Basketball: Minneapolis Lakers 5 out of 6 (1949-54), Boston Celtics 11 out of 13 (1957-69), LA Lakers 5 out of 9 (1980-88) Chicago Bulls 6 out of 8 (1991-98) MLB: New York Yankees 6 out 8 (1936-43) 6 out of 7 (1947-53). AFL: Collingwood 6 in 10 (1927-36), Melbourne 6 in 10 (1955-64) Hawthorn 5 in 9 (1983-91) NRL: Balmain 5 in 6 (1915-20), Souths 7 out of 8 (1925-32), Souths 5 out of 6 (1950-55) The MIGHTY Dragons 11 out of 11 (1956-66), Brisbane if you count Super League 5 out of 9 (1992-2000). NHL: Toronto 5 in 7 (1945-51), Montreal 5 in 5 (1956-60), Montreal 10 in 14 (1966-79). Edmonton 5 in 7 (1984-80). Hmmmm...Agree with your post. But What about the world cups. Brazil got 3 in 4. Australia 3 in 3. Guess they count a bit more for they are played once in 4 years?
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Post by Aj_June on Feb 13, 2019 20:03:55 GMT
Indian Hockey team. Greatest ever. 7 Olympic golds in a row. Hitler walked off at half time in the Berlin Olympics finals against Germany. German media called them the wizards of hockey. Australian media likewise.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Feb 13, 2019 20:09:14 GMT
I specifically said "in sports I care about." Hockey and Soccer notsomuch. With test cricket dynasty is not a term used. You'll hear people talk about "the great West Indian team from 1977-95) or "the great Australian team of 1995-2008," no one calls them dynasties.
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Post by Aj_June on Feb 13, 2019 20:12:27 GMT
I specifically said "in sports I care about." Hockey and Soccer notsomuch. With test cricket dynasty is not a term used. You'll hear people talk about "the great West Indian team from 1977-95) or "the great Australian team of 1995-2008," no one calls them dynasties. Terms are not used in cricket and I am fine with you not using the word for the great Aussie team of 1995-2007 but I personal do classify their ODI side as a dynasty for much of its core was same during 1999-2007.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 13, 2019 21:15:29 GMT
No real way to definitively define a dynasty. The Yankees from 1921 to 1964 could be called a dynasty. Have been called a dynasty. No player made it through those years (duh). There was a seamless transition though the "sub-dynasties". Ruth to Gehrig, Gehrig to DiMaggio, DiMaggio to Mantle. Some lean years, 1929-1935 (one WS, mostly due to the A's and Tigers being better), 1944 - 1949, but only one losing season in 43 years (none in 38). Or the Philadelphia A's from 1925 to 1932. Only two titles but a mighty team. Foxx, Simmons, Cochrane, Dykes (heh heh heh, I said Dyke), Grove. Only two titles. Beginning years, the Yankees were a touch better and the team was broken up prematurely. But most take the tighter form. Green Bay Packers from 1960-67. Six titles, same cast of characters. Taking the long was of saying years don't matter, nor rosters. But you can't stretch it. The Red Sox have won four in 14 years. As much of a dynasty that baseball has in this century. But there's no common thread, other than ownership.
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Post by Marv on Feb 13, 2019 21:19:53 GMT
Are the years of the 4 consecutive Super Bowl losses by the Bills a dynasty? They were at least an AFC dynasty. I say no...but ive already stated my primary definition of a dynasty hinges on that team winning it all. I don't think you can be a dynasty and lose most of the time.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 13, 2019 22:18:35 GMT
I consider them as one dynasty despite the gap in between BECAUSE both segments of their runs have Brady & Belichick in common. By that same reasoning would you classify the 2000s Lakers are 1 dynasty or 2 dynasties? 2000-2004 - The Lakers went to the NBA Finals 4 times in 5 years and won 3 straight titles. 2008-2010 - The Lakers went to the NBA Finals 3 straight years and won back-to-back titles. Both segments of their run had Kobe Bryant and Phil Jackson in common.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 13, 2019 22:25:50 GMT
Patriots I think as one long play dynasty because of Belichick, Brady. So you would also classify the 2000s Lakers as one long dynasty? 2000-2004 - The Lakers went to the NBA Finals 4 times in 5 years and won 3 straight titles. 2008-2010 - The Lakers went to the NBA Finals 3 straight years and won back-to-back titles. Both segments of their run had Kobe Bryant and Phil Jackson in common.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 13, 2019 22:51:34 GMT
Interesting, that's the second mention of the 'Gronk era' in this thread. I never thought about it that way. He's definitely been a huge factor in their general success since he was drafted, though he only played in 8 games in 2016 and missed the entire post-season while the Patriots won the Super Bowl anyway. No one’s saying that Gronk won them those titles by himself, he’s just a simple marker between two distinct eras of rosters. For starters, you can't be called a dynasty if you have a 10-year gap between championships. So that rules out the Pats as one long dynasty since they had a 10-year gap without a championship.
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