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Post by Aj_June on Feb 14, 2019 17:02:34 GMT
Okay, I recently started searching for information on that team as I didn't watch NBA and didn't even know about NBA back then. So my question is was this team a loved team or a hated team by neutral fans? Were they really very exciting? I would have loved to be present in NBA games of Bad Boys but of course I can only dream of that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 17:08:04 GMT
You 'loved to hate' them if you weren't from Detroit.
Fascinating team. ESPN has a terrific 30 for 30 on them. Highly enjoyable and informative, entertainment (pretty much just like every 30 for 30)
Bill Laimbeer was about as hateable as Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Robert Parrish and DJ in my eyes.
Talk about a cheap shot artist who did his job - stirred the pot and was a legit tough guy that got under your skin - but had that face when whining to officials you just couldn't stand.
Add Mahorn (later on the Sixers and him and Barkley were deemed 'Thump and Bump' and 'The New Bad Boys) and Rodman to the mix - I.T. as Webster stirring the pot.
It's great theater - a team you'd love to hate - but entertaining beyond belief. Tough old school basketball.
Vinny the Microwave Johnson was a great shooter and later Mark Aguirre.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 17:12:26 GMT
Sir Charles vs. Laimbeer (have to fast forward a bit)...
Unfortunately a lot of YouTube content is blocked with Laimbeer fights - Bird, Ewing, Parrish
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Post by Aj_June on Feb 14, 2019 17:13:04 GMT
You 'loved to hate' them if you weren't from Detroit. Fascinating team. ESPN has a terrific 30 for 30 on them. Highly enjoyable and informative, entertainment (pretty much just like every 30 for 30) Bill Laimbeer was about as hateable as Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Robert Parrish and DJ in my eyes. Talk about a cheap shot artist who did his job - stirred the pot and was a legit tough guy that got under your skin - but had that face when whining to officials you just couldn't stand. Add Mahorn and Rodman to the mix - I.T. as Webster stirring the pot. It's great theater - a team you'd love to hate - but entertaining beyond belief. Tough old school basketball. Great. If I get some spare time I do love to watch complete recordings of their finals. But I guess because their finals were so one-sided it is better to watch 30 for 30 on them? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 17:20:37 GMT
You 'loved to hate' them if you weren't from Detroit. Fascinating team. ESPN has a terrific 30 for 30 on them. Highly enjoyable and informative, entertainment (pretty much just like every 30 for 30) Bill Laimbeer was about as hateable as Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Robert Parrish and DJ in my eyes. Talk about a cheap shot artist who did his job - stirred the pot and was a legit tough guy that got under your skin - but had that face when whining to officials you just couldn't stand. Add Mahorn and Rodman to the mix - I.T. as Webster stirring the pot. It's great theater - a team you'd love to hate - but entertaining beyond belief. Tough old school basketball. Great. If I get some spare time I do love to watch complete recordings of their finals. But I guess because their finals were so one-sided it is better to watch 30 for 30 on them? yeah - the 30 for 30 is great.
great coach too in Chuck Daly - if memory serves (somebody correct me if I'm wrong Daly coached the '92 Olympic Dream Team too)
what I like about - just like typical 30 for 30s
shows their early start - rise to fame (as people hated them) - and then eventual fall where you kind of felt for them a bit and remember the memories they gave you.
I forget what the ultimate fall was. age. ultimately Jordan. mahorn left. think i.t. was injured and later retired. laimbeer was getting old. think daly was getting old and sick. think Aguirre came in and wasn't the best fit
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 14, 2019 17:23:09 GMT
Easily hated by neutral fans. They ruined basketball for about ten years, as Pat Riley emulated their goon style with the Knicks in the 90s. Laimbeer might the dirtiest player in league history. Jordan hated Isiah Thomas so much he wouldn't let them put Thomas on the Dream Team in 92. When the Bulls swept them in 91, Thomas and company walked off the court before the game was even over so they wouldn't have to shake hands with the team that beat their ass. So add poor sports to dirty players. All around assholes, the lot of them.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 14, 2019 17:27:45 GMT
Great. If I get some spare time I do love to watch complete recordings of their finals. But I guess because their finals were so one-sided it is better to watch 30 for 30 on them? yeah - the 30 for 30 is great.
great coach too in Chuck Daly - if memory serves (somebody correct me if I'm wrong Daly coached the '92 Olympic Dream Team too)
what I like about - just like typical 30 for 30s
shows their early start - rise to fame (as people hated them) - and then eventual fall where you kind of felt for them a bit and remember the memories they gave you.
I forget what the ultimate fall was. age. ultimately Jordan. mahorn left. think i.t. was injured and later retired. laimbeer was getting old. think daly was getting old and sick. think Aguirre came in and wasn't the best fit
The end was getting destroyed by Chicago in 91. They were irrelevant after that and just got old. |
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Post by movielover on Feb 14, 2019 17:39:27 GMT
Easily hated by neutral fans. They ruined basketball for about ten years, as Pat Riley emulated their goon style with the Knicks in the 90s. Laimbeer might the dirtiest player in league history. Jordan hated Isiah Thomas so much he wouldn't let them put Thomas on the Dream Team in 92. When the Bulls swept them in 91, Thomas and company walked off the court before the game was even over so they wouldn't have to shake hands with the team that beat their ass. So add poor sports to dirty players. All around assholes, the lot of them. ^THIS I hated those bastards, and you're absolutely right, they ruined basketball for awhile. I loved it when the Bulls kicked them off the top of the hill. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 17:46:10 GMT
nobody here appreciated those old school Knicks vs Heat wars? and Knicks vs. Pacers wars with Reggie Miller with Spike Lee involved (another great 30 for 30) they were tremendous - you'd think a boxing match would break out at any second  |
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Post by Rufus-T on Feb 14, 2019 17:46:32 GMT
The 30 for 30 episode on them was fantastic. I got to know why Michael Jordan has such a strong dislike of Isaah Thomas. Laimbeer was actually the ring leader. Rodman was the new kid on the block. Interesting story from those years.
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Post by Aj_June on Feb 14, 2019 17:49:29 GMT
nobody here appreciated those old school Knicks vs Heat wars? and Knicks vs. Pacers wars with Reggie Miller with Spike Lee involved (another great 30 for 30) they were tremendous - you'd think a boxing match would break out at any second I can understand the dislike they might have inspired and its reasonable to dislike people if they don't confirm to even minimum standards of conduct. But yeah, teams can still be exciting even if they are really unethical. |
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Post by movielover on Feb 14, 2019 17:56:09 GMT
I actually feel Rick Mahorn and Dennis Rodman were dirtier players than Bill Laimbeer and Isiah Thomas, but once Laimbeer got labeled as the lead asshole, he got blamed for everything.
Remember the play where Robert Parrish of the Celtics punched the crap out of Laimbeer? Laimbeer hadn't even done anything...lol. (I think it was Mahorn that had instigated it, but I can't recall for sure.)
Joe Dumars was the only starter for the Pistons that wasn't unlikable.
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Post by Rufus-T on Feb 14, 2019 17:56:58 GMT
Another note about that team. It was the first time I heard of a city goes into a riot after winning a championship. I thought that was strange. Many cities follow suit. When the New York Rangers about to win the Stanley Cup in 1994, the entire NYC was ready for chaos. Turned out NYC was very well-behaved, unlike Vancouver which went into chaos just for tying that series by winning game 6.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 17:57:28 GMT
nobody here appreciated those old school Knicks vs Heat wars? and Knicks vs. Pacers wars with Reggie Miller with Spike Lee involved (another great 30 for 30) they were tremendous - you'd think a boxing match would break out at any second I can understand the dislike they might have inspired and its reasonable to dislike people if they don't confirm to even minimum standards of conduct. But yeah, teams can still be exciting even if they are really unethical. Thing of is back in the early 90s this was acceptable and not deemed 'minimum standards of conduct'.
If you came down the lane uncontested you were going to get obliterated by a '4' or '5' and it was the '1', '2' or '3's job to be tough at times and stop you on the perimeter before you got in the paint. If you got in the paint and you were a PG, SG or SF - you were going to pay.
Not hating on today's game at all as I love it - just a different game - and can highly appreciate that game back in the early 90s too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 17:59:20 GMT
Another note about that team. It was the first time I heard of a city goes into a riot after winning a championship. I thought that was strange. Many cities follow suit. When the New York Rangers about to win the Stanley Cup in 1994, the entire NYC was ready for chaos. Turned out NYC was very well-behaved, unlike Vancouver which went into chaos just for tying that series by winning game 6. agreed.
Detroit and Vancouver should be ashamed of themselves
and quite frankly - .....i'm ashamed for them
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 14, 2019 18:02:24 GMT
I actually feel Rick Mahorn and Dennis Rodman were dirtier players than Bill Laimbeer and Isiah Thomas, but once Laimbeer got labeled as the lead asshole, he got blamed for everything. Remember the play where Robert Parrish of the Celtics punched the crap out of Laimbeer? Laimbeer hadn't even done anything...lol. (I think it was Mahorn that had instigated it, but I can't recall for sure.) Joe Dumars was the only starter for the Pistons that wasn't unlikable. I thought it was retaliation of a takedown of Bird earlier in the series. Probably just tired of Laimbeer's shit and something snapped. Parish was assessed a common foul for that, lol. I call it karma. |
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Post by Rufus-T on Feb 14, 2019 18:03:23 GMT
nobody here appreciated those old school Knicks vs Heat wars? and Knicks vs. Pacers wars with Reggie Miller with Spike Lee involved (another great 30 for 30) they were tremendous - you'd think a boxing match would break out at any second The late 90s Knicks/Heat rival were one of the best in basketball. Their games were grinders, low score and exciting to watch, and excruciating if you are a fan of one of those two team. Their defense were so good you rarely see them get over 100 points. |
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Post by movielover on Feb 14, 2019 18:04:16 GMT
I actually feel Rick Mahorn and Dennis Rodman were dirtier players than Bill Laimbeer and Isiah Thomas, but once Laimbeer got labeled as the lead asshole, he got blamed for everything. Remember the play where Robert Parrish of the Celtics punched the crap out of Laimbeer? Laimbeer hadn't even done anything...lol. (I think it was Mahorn that had instigated it, but I can't recall for sure.) Joe Dumars was the only starter for the Pistons that wasn't unlikable. I thought it was retaliation of a takedown of Bird earlier in the series. Probably just tired of Laimbeer's shit and something snapped. Parish was assessed a common foul for that, lol. I call it karma. That would explain it...lol. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 14, 2019 18:10:40 GMT
I can understand the dislike they might have inspired and its reasonable to dislike people if they don't confirm to even minimum standards of conduct. But yeah, teams can still be exciting even if they are really unethical. Thing of is back in the early 90s this was acceptable and not deemed 'minimum standards of conduct'.
If you came down the lane uncontested you were going to get obliterated by a '4' or '5' and it was the '1', '2' or '3's job to be tough at times and stop you on the perimeter before you got in the paint. If you got in the paint and you were a PG, SG or SF - you were going to pay.
Not hating on today's game at all as I love it - just a different game - and can highly appreciate that game back in the early 90s too.
Pistons title years were in the late 80s. 'Not giving up a layup' in the playoffs was a thing until about the late 2010s. The Pistons went beyond that, though. They threw people to the ground, punched them, threw elbows with the intent to injure. They knew they weren't as talented so they figured they could just play dirty and level the playing field. It's a shame the league didn't immediately clamp down on that behavior; they never would've won anything. I'm all for the rough stuff in a sport like football, which is a collision sport to begin with. It has no place in basketball. Ironically it was McHale's takedown of Rambis in the 84 Finals that probably gave these guys the idea. One moment of frustration from McHale turned into a strategy for less talented teams in the years to come. If you can't beat 'em, beat 'em. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 19:01:46 GMT
Thing of is back in the early 90s this was acceptable and not deemed 'minimum standards of conduct'.
If you came down the lane uncontested you were going to get obliterated by a '4' or '5' and it was the '1', '2' or '3's job to be tough at times and stop you on the perimeter before you got in the paint. If you got in the paint and you were a PG, SG or SF - you were going to pay.
Not hating on today's game at all as I love it - just a different game - and can highly appreciate that game back in the early 90s too.
Pistons title years were in the late 80s. 'Not giving up a layup' in the playoffs was a thing until about the late 2010s. The Pistons went beyond that, though. They threw people to the ground, punched them, threw elbows with the intent to injure. They knew they weren't as talented so they figured they could just play dirty and level the playing field. It's a shame the league didn't immediately clamp down on that behavior; they never would've won anything. I'm all for the rough stuff in a sport like football, which is a collision sport to begin with. It has no place in basketball. Ironically it was McHale's takedown of Rambis in the 84 Finals that probably gave these guys the idea. One moment of frustration from McHale turned into a strategy for less talented teams in the years to come. If you can't beat 'em, beat 'em. thing of it is bub - if you follow the popcorn trail here I was talking about early 90s......... |
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