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Post by WarrenPeace on Feb 15, 2019 4:37:09 GMT
If, say, life such as a little bug or plants was found on Venus, Saturn or Jupiter would Christians claim that their god created it?
I think there is some evidence that there was life on Mars. Again, was god behind that or did he ONLY create life on earth? If the latter is the case then how is other life on other planets explained by creationists?
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Post by clusium on Feb 15, 2019 4:47:13 GMT
If, say, life such as a little bug or plants was found on Venus, Saturn or Jupiter would Christians claim that their god created it? I think there is some evidence that there was life on Mars. Again, was god behind that or did he ONLY create life on earth? If the latter is the case then how is other life on other planets explained by creationists? Of course, God Created everything in the universe, including all the other planets!! And yes, it is quite likely that He Created life on those planets as well.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 15, 2019 5:15:38 GMT
There's no evidence that there is or ever was life on Mars.
That sad, I'm not sure why life on other planets would discount the notion of God as a creator. The origins of how life got there would be just as mysterious as they are here. It's a moot point since we will never encounter life from any other planet.
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Post by Winter_King on Feb 15, 2019 11:19:23 GMT
There's no evidence that there is or ever was life on Mars. That sad, I'm not sure why life on other planets would discount the notion of God as a creator. The origins of how life got there would be just as mysterious as they are here. It's a moot point since we will never encounter life from any other planet."To place a man in a multi-stage rocket and project him into the controlling gravitational field of the moon where the passengers can make scientific observations, perhaps land alive, and then return to earth - all that constitutes a wild dream worthy of Jules Verne. I am bold enough to say that such a man-made voyage will never occur regardless of all future advances." -- Lee DeForest, American radio pioneer and inventor of the vacuum tube, in 1926.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 15, 2019 11:36:34 GMT
There's no evidence that there is or ever was life on Mars. That sad, I'm not sure why life on other planets would discount the notion of God as a creator. The origins of how life got there would be just as mysterious as they are here. It's a moot point since we will never encounter life from any other planet."To place a man in a multi-stage rocket and project him into the controlling gravitational field of the moon where the passengers can make scientific observations, perhaps land alive, and then return to earth - all that constitutes a wild dream worthy of Jules Verne. I am bold enough to say that such a man-made voyage will never occur regardless of all future advances." -- Lee DeForest, American radio pioneer and inventor of the vacuum tube, in 1926. Yes,because they are exactly the same.
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Post by Winter_King on Feb 15, 2019 11:40:53 GMT
"To place a man in a multi-stage rocket and project him into the controlling gravitational field of the moon where the passengers can make scientific observations, perhaps land alive, and then return to earth - all that constitutes a wild dream worthy of Jules Verne. I am bold enough to say that such a man-made voyage will never occur regardless of all future advances." -- Lee DeForest, American radio pioneer and inventor of the vacuum tube, in 1926. Yes,because they are exactly the same. Your certainty does sound exactly the same. Alien life could be something a simple as bacteria. It might actually exist on our solar system due to our knowledge of extremophile organisms. So the idea that we will never find alien life sounds exactly the same as a guy in 1926 telling how we will never reach the moon.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 15, 2019 11:52:32 GMT
Yes,because they are exactly the same. Your certainty does sound exactly the same. Alien life could be something a simple as bacteria. It might actually exist on our solar system due to our knowledge of extremophile organisms. So the idea that we will never find alien life sounds exactly the same as a guy in 1926 telling how we will never reach the moon. You can apply the quote to anything although I will concede that if the impossible happens I will be more than willing to apologize over my statement, just like I'll apologize when I see pigs flying. As it is there is no reason the premise deserves a hopeful outlook from me. And while it's true that the most basic of life forms could exist out there or perhaps even lifeforms as smart or smarter than us, the odds of any of those species meeting up with us are slight. The universe likes us to stay put.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Feb 15, 2019 11:52:47 GMT
If, say, life such as a little bug or plants was found on Venus, Saturn or Jupiter would Christians claim that their God created it?
I think there is some evidence that there was life on Mars. Again, was God behind that or did he ONLY create life on Earth? If the latter is the case then how is other life on other planets explained by creationists? It's God (with a CAPITAL, UPPERCASE G; NOT god (with a lowercase g). Also, it's Earth (proper name place), NOT earth.
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Post by Winter_King on Feb 15, 2019 12:09:01 GMT
Your certainty does sound exactly the same. Alien life could be something a simple as bacteria. It might actually exist on our solar system due to our knowledge of extremophile organisms. So the idea that we will never find alien life sounds exactly the same as a guy in 1926 telling how we will never reach the moon. You can apply the quote to anything although I will concede that if the impossible happens I will be more than willing to apologize over my statement, just like I'll apologize when I see pigs flying. As it is there is no reason the premise deserves a hopeful outlook from me. And while it's true that the most basic of life forms could exist out there or perhaps even lifeforms as smart or smarter than us, the odds of any of those species meeting up with us are slight. The universe likes us to stay put. When it comes to intelligent life, I agree. When it comes to basic life forms I'm far more optimistic considering that there are several candidates inside our solar system that may have life. Europa might have hydrothermal vents. Mars once had a atmosphere and NASA is currently looking for evidence of past alien life. Other Jovian moons have also been considered as locations that might contain alien life. This combined with the fact that some organisms can survive really extreme conditions. I mean water bears have actually survived the vacuum of space.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 12:17:58 GMT
I suspect the universe is teeming with life.
Whether we will encounter any of it before we become extinct, I very much doubt... Distances are too vast and insurmountable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 12:19:05 GMT
You can apply the quote to anything although I will concede that if the impossible happens I will be more than willing to apologize over my statement, just like I'll apologize when I see pigs flying. As it is there is no reason the premise deserves a hopeful outlook from me. And while it's true that the most basic of life forms could exist out there or perhaps even lifeforms as smart or smarter than us, the odds of any of those species meeting up with us are slight. The universe likes us to stay put. When it comes to intelligent life, I agree. When it comes to basic life forms I'm far more optimistic considering that there are several candidates inside our solar system that may have life. Europa might have hydrothermal vents. Mars once had a atmosphere and NASA is currently looking for evidence of past alien life. Other Jovian moons have also been considered as locations that might contain alien life. This combined with the fact that some organisms can survive really extreme conditions. I mean water bears have actually survived the vacuum of space. Water bears are the hardest animals on Earth... They're fecking nails.
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Post by geode on Feb 15, 2019 12:27:28 GMT
I suspect the universe is teeming with life. Whether we will encounter any of it before we become extinct, I very much doubt... Distances are too vast and insurmountable. I think the existence of extraterrestrial life will be proven before we become extinct, but not intelligent life forms.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 12:31:26 GMT
I suspect the universe is teeming with life. Whether we will encounter any of it before we become extinct, I very much doubt... Distances are too vast and insurmountable. I think the existence of extraterrestrial life will be proven before we become extinct, but not intelligent life forms. Only if it exists/has existed elsewhere within our tiny, very limited solar system.
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Post by geode on Feb 15, 2019 12:45:59 GMT
I think the existence of extraterrestrial life will be proven before we become extinct, but not intelligent life forms. Only if it exists/has existed elsewhere within our tiny, very limited solar system. Yes, you are probably correct about this. Personally I think that there were simple life forms on Mars at one time, and some might still be there. I once was very skeptical about this, but about 20 years ago I saw an article describing a meteorite fragment thought to have originated from Mars. A photomicrograph of a thin section from it looked cellular to me.
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Post by Winter_King on Feb 15, 2019 13:44:16 GMT
Only if it exists/has existed elsewhere within our tiny, very limited solar system. Yes, you are probably correct about this. Personally I think that there were simple life forms on Mars at one time, and some might still be there. I once was very skeptical about this, but about 20 years ago I saw an article describing a meteorite fragment thought to have originated from Mars. A photomicrograph of a thin section from it looked cellular to me. Was it this one? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Hills_84001According the article, the scientific community rejected that explanation but I wouldn't be surprised if we found this sort life by the end of the century.
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Post by Stammerhead on Feb 15, 2019 14:58:13 GMT
Yes and my planet is called Raymondo.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 15, 2019 16:03:01 GMT
1) If bugs or bacteria were found... It shouldn't have any affect on the religious mind.... If aliens show up in spaceships asking "Who is this 'God' of which you speak?"... Then, yeah: All bets are off, and the game is over. There is no God. ...of course, the likelihood of that ever happening is pretty much non-existent. 2) Just for the record: RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ALREADY BELIEVE IN INTELLIGENT LIFE FROM ANOTHER WORLD... THEY CALL THEM "ANGELS". 3) According to The Bible's Story: Just because this world is in a state of anarchy as God is trying to prove that we are not better off without His divine guidance.. it doesn't really negate the possibility that there exists worlds where there was no rebellion and they exist living out their perfect lives in the paradise of that planet... But, who the hell knows?
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Post by Vegas on Feb 15, 2019 16:07:31 GMT
Of course... If aliens show up and ask "Where is our ambassador, Jesus?... We sent him to this planet 2,000 years ago." Everybody, hide!
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 15, 2019 16:47:10 GMT
As a contrast to this, in asking one of the fundamentalist faithful for one thing which might serve to falsify their god a while ago the answer was (after some delay) "the confirmation of life on another planet".
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Post by geode on Feb 15, 2019 17:28:53 GMT
Yes, you are probably correct about this. Personally I think that there were simple life forms on Mars at one time, and some might still be there. I once was very skeptical about this, but about 20 years ago I saw an article describing a meteorite fragment thought to have originated from Mars. A photomicrograph of a thin section from it looked cellular to me. Was it this one? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Hills_84001According the article, the scientific community rejected that explanation but I wouldn't be surprised if we found this sort life by the end of the century. It well could be what I read about back then, the timing is about right. However my memory has a different image than the one shown here, one that looks like a clump of grapes...perhaps about eight of them. It did not look like the natural grain of a rock to me. The Wikipedia entry claims that the "wider" scientific community went against this as evidence of life, but indicated that there are some who did not agree with that consensus. Evidence in support of micro fossils is given. I never claimed that this proved life on Mars, and I still do not. But it tipped me over towards the likelihood of such existing. Subsequently finding water certainly makes the chances better than when this potential evidence was found and first studied.
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