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Post by fjenkins on Feb 15, 2019 19:15:05 GMT
Did anyone watch this travesty? Took a great character and made him a mumbling, body rocking cartoon.
Season 1 was great and he was great on Daredevil. He was a 3-dimensional character that was likeable and you cared about.
Season 2 he was just a buffoon. Bad writing throughout, so many dumb dumb dumb things and annoying characters, I personally was just fast forwarding a lot by the second half the season. I honestly don't care if they ever do another season after this, it was almost as bad a Luke Cage season 2 (which I literally couldn't finish it was so boring)
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 15, 2019 19:18:26 GMT
I highly disagree. The writing was definitely better in season one, but the action and the acting in season two were a huge improvement. Episode three was probably the best of the series.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 15, 2019 19:29:48 GMT
I'm only five episodes in and so far it's somehow managed to be worse than season one. A few great action sequences surrounded by 45 minutes of nothing. I'm surprised more people aren't offended by this show's treatment of combat veterans. If you take this show's word for it, 90% of combat veterans are lunatics willing to become terrorists at the drop of a hat. Besides the title character you have Billy Russo, the PTSD guy from season one and now this other disgruntled vet in ep 5 rambling about starting their own army with Billy. It's not a good look for the military, and I haven't even gotten halfway through the season yet.
I'll get through it eventually but I'm in no rush, and I've already heard from multiple sources (now including the OP) that it doesn't get any better. The key with Frank has to be supporting characters and the antagonists. What is he fighting for/against and why. If you don't hit with those, the whole thing is going to be stale. We already know who Frank is, you need to put him into compelling situations for him to work as a character. I personally thought season one tried but failed to do it properly. Season two feels like they didn't even try. It's a bad show, top to bottom.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 19:57:30 GMT
is the Punisher a good guy, bad guy or 'anti-hero'?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Feb 15, 2019 20:00:04 GMT
is the Punisher a good guy, bad guy or 'anti-hero'? Anti-hero, a vigilante. Willing to kill the bad guys, unlike Batman. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 20:03:29 GMT
is the Punisher a good guy, bad guy or 'anti-hero'? Anti-hero, a vigilante. Willing to kill the bad guys, unlike Batman. so he's kind of like 'Stone Cold' Steve Austin?
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Feb 15, 2019 20:21:24 GMT
Damn. Haven't gotten to it yet but not liking what's being said in this thread.
Meh. Only a matter of time till Netflix cancels it anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 20:50:25 GMT
I highly enjoyed it. The Billy Russo story arch really keeps one invested in the story being told. The Pilgrim guy not so much. I'd say its comparable to Daredevil Season 2. You want to see more Billy much like you wanted to see more Frank in DDS2. Pilgrim then compares to Elektra where you can get bored when the focus is put too much on them imo.
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Post by fjenkins on Feb 15, 2019 21:35:09 GMT
I highly disagree. The writing was definitely better in season one, but the action and the acting in season two were a huge improvement. Episode three was probably the best of the series. The writing was tight in season 1, this season was full of repetitious exposition and "why can't I remember?" six times an episode. Besides the numerous absolutely stupid things that happen that there isn't enough suspension of disbelief to make entertaining, Frank Castle is just a mumbling moron who constantly rocks when he talks and looks like he's looking for confirmation from his non-mentally challenged older brother. He's like a less likeable Lenny, but with guns and even more stupid. |
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Post by fjenkins on Feb 15, 2019 21:36:35 GMT
is the Punisher a good guy, bad guy or 'anti-hero'? He would be called an "anti-hero" because he kills people but he has a code, like Omar from the Wire, only bad people. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 21:40:14 GMT
is the Punisher a good guy, bad guy or 'anti-hero'? He would be called an "anti-hero" because he kills people but he has a code, like Omar from the Wire, only bad people. Like Dexter from 'Dexter'? |
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Post by fjenkins on Feb 15, 2019 21:45:26 GMT
He would be called an "anti-hero" because he kills people but he has a code, like Omar from the Wire, only bad people. Like Dexter from 'Dexter'? Yes. |
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Post by marsexplorer on Feb 16, 2019 21:47:02 GMT
I am only 2 episodes in and haven't formed an opinion yet, but I loved season 1. I like that they brought in Alexa Davalos (The Man in the High Castle) as a potential love interest.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 18, 2019 13:29:51 GMT
I highly disagree. The writing was definitely better in season one, but the action and the acting in season two were a huge improvement. Episode three was probably the best of the series. The writing was tight in season 1, this season was full of repetitious exposition and "why can't I remember?" six times an episode. Besides the numerous absolutely stupid things that happen that there isn't enough suspension of disbelief to make entertaining, Frank Castle is just a mumbling moron who constantly rocks when he talks and looks like he's looking for confirmation from his non-mentally challenged older brother. He's like a less likeable Lenny, but with guns and even more stupid. It's hilarious to me that Billy doesn't understand why Frank hates him. You're an asshole now, can't you come to the conclusion maybe you were an asshole before your head trauma? Maybe he did a job with you and you shot him like you just did with your current cronies? Maybe that's the problem. Every veteran Billy meets is a terrorist waiting to happen, so he can't understand why Frank doesn't want to join his crime spree? Also, Billy constantly screaming makes his character that much more ridiculous. You're not adding tension or drama by taking it to 11 in every scene, you're removing the tension. No scene is going to feel particularly important or intense if you just keep yelling all the time. They should've focused this season on John Pilgrim; the perfect foil for Frank. Calm and cool, with a darkness to him and a level of conviction similar to the protagonist. Instead you have two maniacs (Frank, Billy) screaming and groaning their way through mindless redundant arguments and fight scenes for 13 hours. The head case shrink is one of the worst television characters in history. "You're a troubled bad boy, I love you!" If she was a bartender with a tramp stamp I could buy her character arc. Ironically the actual bartender from the early episodes had ten times the intelligence, dignity and self-respect that this idiot psychologist displays. This season is garbage. |
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Post by sdm3 on Feb 18, 2019 19:48:51 GMT
The show has been cancelled.
I’m still working my way through Daredevil season 3 myself. I never planned to catch the Punisher spinoff as it sounded like shit.
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Feb 18, 2019 20:11:38 GMT
The show has been cancelled. I’m still working my way through Daredevil season 3 myself. I never planned to catch the Punisher spinoff as it sounded like shit. Jessica Jones has bitten the dust as well. The mouse’s streaming service must be nigh. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 22:23:22 GMT
I literally cancelled my Netflix subscription upon hearing the news. I knew it was coming but it was still upsetting to hear/see officially. I see no need for them to get my money monthly anymore. If there is something like a Haunted at Hill House S2 then maybe I'll get a 1 month gift card or something. Either way, I'm officially done giving them my monthly subscription money. The teenage rom coms they've been producing aren't exactly my demo.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 19, 2019 4:44:53 GMT
I literally cancelled my Netflix subscription upon hearing the news. I knew it was coming but it was still upsetting to hear/see officially. I see no need for them to get my money monthly anymore. If there is something like a Haunted at Hill House S2 then maybe I'll get a 1 month gift card or something. Either way, I'm officially done giving them my monthly subscription money. The teenage rom coms they've been producing aren't exactly my demo. The best series on Netflix are Ozark and The Crown. |
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Post by fjenkins on Feb 19, 2019 17:09:52 GMT
The writing was tight in season 1, this season was full of repetitious exposition and "why can't I remember?" six times an episode. Besides the numerous absolutely stupid things that happen that there isn't enough suspension of disbelief to make entertaining, Frank Castle is just a mumbling moron who constantly rocks when he talks and looks like he's looking for confirmation from his non-mentally challenged older brother. He's like a less likeable Lenny, but with guns and even more stupid. It's hilarious to me that Billy doesn't understand why Frank hates him. You're an asshole now, can't you come to the conclusion maybe you were an asshole before your head trauma? Maybe he did a job with you and you shot him like you just did with your current cronies? Maybe that's the problem. Every veteran Billy meets is a terrorist waiting to happen, so he can't understand why Frank doesn't want to join his crime spree? Also, Billy constantly screaming makes his character that much more ridiculous. You're not adding tension or drama by taking it to 11 in every scene, you're removing the tension. No scene is going to feel particularly important or intense if you just keep yelling all the time. They should've focused this season on John Pilgrim; the perfect foil for Frank. Calm and cool, with a darkness to him and a level of conviction similar to the protagonist. Instead you have two maniacs (Frank, Billy) screaming and groaning their way through mindless redundant arguments and fight scenes for 13 hours. The head case shrink is one of the worst television characters in history. "You're a troubled bad boy, I love you!" If she was a bartender with a tramp stamp I could buy her character arc. Ironically the actual bartender from the early episodes had ten times the intelligence, dignity and self-respect that this idiot psychologist displays. This season is garbage. I agree with everything you wrote 100% And the head shrink, just awful awful writing there. And the fact she gets tossed out of a three story building, lands on her face and is in the hospital, conscious and seeming upright as if she just got over a cold THE NEXT DAY. I can't believe this season was written by the same people who did season 1. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Feb 19, 2019 20:51:06 GMT
I literally cancelled my Netflix subscription upon hearing the news. I knew it was coming but it was still upsetting to hear/see officially. I see no need for them to get my money monthly anymore. If there is something like a Haunted at Hill House S2 then maybe I'll get a 1 month gift card or something. Either way, I'm officially done giving them my monthly subscription money. The teenage rom coms they've been producing aren't exactly my demo. The best series on Netflix are Ozark and The Crown. Ugh, gross, I actually agree with you (although I thought season 2 of Ozark kinda fizzled out towards the end). Excuse me while I go shower with my clothes on. I'd add Black Mirror and Big Mouth, which is hilarious. |
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