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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Feb 15, 2019 23:06:46 GMT
www.sfchronicle.com/giants/article/The-three-craziest-ideas-to-change-baseball-13620739.phpAssuming this season will be status quo, let’s address three of the more controversial issues: • The universal designated hitter. We keep hearing that “it’s coming,” but multiple sources indicate that the National League won’t have to adopt the DH until the current CBA expires in December of 2021 — and thus the 2022 season, at the earliest. This is heartily welcomed by the 3-Dot, long a proponent of a game in which everyone bats and fields. In the wise words of Sports Illustrated’s Tom Verducci, “If you like the DH, you like checkers. If you like NL baseball, you like chess.” • Relief pitchers entering the game must face a minimum of three batters (no carryover into the next inning). This sounds good on the surface. We all get exasperated by the endless pitching changes, and it’s always baffling when a pitcher out there dealing, his stuff at an absolute peak, gets pulled after only one batter in a percentage move. (Jeremy Affeldt always comes to mind.) But on the real side: No. There’s no place for artificially imposed strategy in baseball. • The pitch clock. It just might be time. More than half of MLB’s pitchers have experienced this in the minor leagues, with near-universal acceptance. “You get all worried, and it’s really no big deal,” goes the typical response. “After a while I didn’t even notice it.” The hitters adjust, too — they’re often the most egregious dawdlers — and the game moves along faster.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 23:13:56 GMT
I've come around on the 1st point and wouldn't mind the DH in the NL.
I don't like the 2nd point. To me - its takes out the chess match and strategy going on between opposing pitchers and hitters.
I don't like point 'C' either.
so I guess agreeing with 1 out of 3 equates to 'silly'
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 23:33:32 GMT
1) Hell no. I'll never want the DH around. I like NL play so much better than the AL.
2) I'm iffy on. Part of me likes it because I hate how long it takes when managers keep pulling pitchers in the same inning. Not only do you deal with that but you add in the time that each pitcher gets warm ups. So how bout this. A pitcher either has to come in to face 3 batters or if they are subbed for the new pitcher gets zero practice tosses on the actual mound. What they had in the bullpen is it.
3) I see no issue with it. I'd have to really see it implemented before judging it completely but the idea of it doesnt put me off at all.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Feb 16, 2019 0:32:15 GMT
I got some ideas of my own.
Non lethal landmines put in random places on the field might make things more interesting.
So would a random boiling hot baseball.
Instead of a bat, an occasional batter can use whatever he finds laying around.
A tennis racket, the catchers mask, the bench, a hammer or even the bat boy.
Introduce guest players from the stands. If someone makes an amazing foul catch or if anyone is heard yelling out, "Even I could have hit/caught that!" put 'em out there for a few innings.
Topless ball girls.
Spiked gatorade.
A dunk tank for managers who get out of line with the umpire.
An umpire gets three throws and if he misses, the manager stays in the game.
Create a league just for those players who are still using PEDs. It's the only way to make the MLB clean and fair.
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Post by Rufus-T on Feb 16, 2019 0:47:38 GMT
I like seeing the pitcher hit. Memorable stuff can happen, like the Rick Camp game.
I don't like the idea of forcing minimum batter face. The opposing manager can pinch hit, but the the pitching manager can't counteract? Ridiculous.
The pitching clock? The best thing about baseball is no clock involve.
Just get rid of the arbitrary 100 pitches threshold and there will be fewer pitching change.
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 16, 2019 1:07:29 GMT
No to all 3. I would agree with the random boiling baseball before I take any of the ones in the OP.
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Post by millar70 on Feb 16, 2019 1:08:24 GMT
I like making the pitcher face 3 batters. There's a lazy element to baseball that's called the "left-handed specialist" who basically sits in the bullpen all day looking for hot chicks in the bleachers, gets called on to face one batter, then hits the showers, calls it a day, and makes millions of dollars for it. Screw that, less relievers means more bench players, which is better for game.
As far as universal DH and pitch clocks go, I wholeheartedly say no. But I'm sure Brian Kenny is hot for these things, and baseball does need to stay "hip", so I'm sure these things will happen at some point.
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 16, 2019 1:16:04 GMT
I like making the pitcher face 3 batters. There's a lazy element to baseball that's called the "left-handed specialist" who basically sits in the bullpen all day looking for hot chicks in the bleachers, gets called on to face one batter, then hits the showers, calls it a day, and makes millions of dollars for it. Screw that, less relievers means more bench players, which is better for game. As far as universal DH and pitch clocks go, I wholeheartedly say no. But I'm sure Brian Kenny is hot for these things, and baseball does need to stay "hip", so I'm sure these things will happen at some point. Problem is sometimes relievers come in cold and get rocked. To make them face 3 hitters would arbitrarily change the outcome of games and sometimes you would have an extra hour of baseball as teams run up double digit runs late in the game. It's stupid. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 1:25:48 GMT
May I ask why people are so dead-set against the DH in the NL - other than the typical answer of - it's un-American and not apple pie and goes against the traditions of the game?
i'm tired of an automatic out unless you're Madison Bumgarner.
nothing more infuriating then when your pitcher is pitching a gem - and he (they) may be down 1-0 in the 7th. bottom of the 7th they've got a man on 2nd and 3rd and you know full well a single can drive in two runs and put them ahead - but up comes the pitcher with two out who you want to see finish the game because he's pitching lights out.
I for the life of me have never comprehended why pitchers are so abysmal at hitting - but for years upon years - I've grown tired of this 'automatic out'.
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 16, 2019 1:35:27 GMT
May I ask why people are so dead-set against the DH in the NL - other than the typical answer of - it's un-American and not apple pie and goes against the traditions of the game? i'm tired of an automatic out unless you're Madison Bumgarner. nothing more infuriating then when your pitcher is pitching a gem - and he (they) may be down 1-0 in the 7th. bottom of the 7th they've got a man on 2nd and 3rd and you know full well a single can drive in two runs and put them ahead - but up comes the pitcher with two out who you want to see finish the game because he's pitching lights out. I for the life of me have never comprehended why pitchers are so abysmal at hitting - but for years upon years - I've grown tired of this 'automatic out'. A lot of pitchers can hit a little sometimes or move a runner over. It's a bit of flavor in the game. I would support American league pitchers hitting before DH in the NL. |
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Post by Rufus-T on Feb 16, 2019 1:41:27 GMT
May I ask why people are so dead-set against the DH in the NL - other than the typical answer of - it's un-American and not apple pie and goes against the traditions of the game? i'm tired of an automatic out unless you're Madison Bumgarner. nothing more infuriating then when your pitcher is pitching a gem - and he (they) may be down 1-0 in the 7th. bottom of the 7th they've got a man on 2nd and 3rd and you know full well a single can drive in two runs and put them ahead - but up comes the pitcher with two out who you want to see finish the game because he's pitching lights out. I for the life of me have never comprehended why pitchers are so abysmal at hitting - but for years upon years - I've grown tired of this 'automatic out'. What you described is the beauty of the baseball strategic dilemma a manager faces when a pitcher has to hit. The manager has to force to think playing small ball instead of waiting for a 3 run home run. I love those situation. Eventually, DH will win out because the union would not let that one extra specialized position to go. That DH kept many poor fielding players around longer. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 1:47:54 GMT
May I ask why people are so dead-set against the DH in the NL - other than the typical answer of - it's un-American and not apple pie and goes against the traditions of the game? i'm tired of an automatic out unless you're Madison Bumgarner. nothing more infuriating then when your pitcher is pitching a gem - and he (they) may be down 1-0 in the 7th. bottom of the 7th they've got a man on 2nd and 3rd and you know full well a single can drive in two runs and put them ahead - but up comes the pitcher with two out who you want to see finish the game because he's pitching lights out. I for the life of me have never comprehended why pitchers are so abysmal at hitting - but for years upon years - I've grown tired of this 'automatic out'. What you described is the beauty of the baseball strategic dilemma a manager faces when a pitcher has to hit. The manager has to force to think playing small ball instead of waiting for a 3 run home run. I love those situation. Eventually, DH will win out because the union would not let that one extra specialized position to go. That DH kept many poor fielding players around longer. You've come to enjoy your pitcher getting yanked... or.... Going to bat with runners in scoring position as he proceeds to swing at 3 pitches 5 feet outside in the dirt ending the inning and scoring threat? you must enjoy torture movies too  to me - this goes back to the old school way of thinking of fans/league refusing to adapt to the times and change the game. even in the nfl, nba and nhl we see drastic rule changes at times. would liven up the game IMO - other than taking a bathroom break/beer run when the pitcher is up |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 1:54:06 GMT
May I ask why people are so dead-set against the DH in the NL - other than the typical answer of - it's un-American and not apple pie and goes against the traditions of the game? i'm tired of an automatic out unless you're Madison Bumgarner. nothing more infuriating then when your pitcher is pitching a gem - and he (they) may be down 1-0 in the 7th. bottom of the 7th they've got a man on 2nd and 3rd and you know full well a single can drive in two runs and put them ahead - but up comes the pitcher with two out who you want to see finish the game because he's pitching lights out. I for the life of me have never comprehended why pitchers are so abysmal at hitting - but for years upon years - I've grown tired of this 'automatic out'. A lot of pitchers can hit a little sometimes or move a runner over. It's a bit of flavor in the game. I would support American league pitchers hitting before DH in the NL. i'm not opposed to making everything 'uniform' either. to me it's ridiculous that one league has it and the other doesn't please axe interleague play as well - it was 'cute' after the strike - or pull it out every 5 years so a geographic region such as myself gets to see the Yanks, Os, BoSox...... also - is that ridiculous concept of the team that Wins the All-Star Game - their league gets home field advantage in the World Series still around. axe that as well...... |
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Post by WarrenPeace on Feb 16, 2019 1:57:01 GMT
May I ask why people are so dead-set against the DH in the NL - other than the typical answer of - it's un-American and not apple pie and goes against the traditions of the game? i'm tired of an automatic out unless you're Madison Bumgarner. nothing more infuriating then when your pitcher is pitching a gem - and he (they) may be down 1-0 in the 7th. bottom of the 7th they've got a man on 2nd and 3rd and you know full well a single can drive in two runs and put them ahead - but up comes the pitcher with two out who you want to see finish the game because he's pitching lights out. I for the life of me have never comprehended why pitchers are so abysmal at hitting - but for years upon years - I've grown tired of this 'automatic out'. Seems only fair to let the NL use a DH in the WS. They should get on this ASAP! LOL |
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Feb 16, 2019 2:02:44 GMT
1 sucks. 2: I'm all for anything that gives coaches less control in a sport at the best of times, and this is an emminently sensible way of doing that.
3: long overdue. I can't see any downside whatsoever.
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Post by Rufus-T on Feb 16, 2019 2:04:41 GMT
What you described is the beauty of the baseball strategic dilemma a manager faces when a pitcher has to hit. The manager has to force to think playing small ball instead of waiting for a 3 run home run. I love those situation. Eventually, DH will win out because the union would not let that one extra specialized position to go. That DH kept many poor fielding players around longer. You've come to enjoy your pitcher getting yanked... or.... Going to bat with runners in scoring position as he proceeds to swing at 3 pitches 5 feet outside in the dirt ending the inning and scoring threat? you must enjoy torture movies too to me - this goes back to the old school way of thinking of fans/league refusing to adapt to the times and change the game. even in the nfl, nba and nhl we see drastic rule changes at times. would liven up the game IMO - other than taking a bathroom break/beer run when the pitcher is up If you love baseball, you would love the twist and turn a game may provide. With pitchers hitting, there are more opportunity for something wild to happen. As for runners on scoring position and a pitcher coming to bat, the strategy depends on the various situation like what is the score, how many outs, how well the pitcher is pitching in that game. So much to consider. Not sure about you, but I am a hardcore baseball fan. I love the variety that a pitcher hit can offer to the game. Not that I do not like the DH. Just that I like having the pitcher hit more. The torture you talked about becomes joy for me. Isn't it true that it is torture if you team playing in extra inning in a WS game, but at the same time a blessing? The DH is mostly there to lure ordinary fans who love the long ball. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Feb 16, 2019 2:04:43 GMT
I don’t like 1 but it will happen eventually.
2 is stupid.
3 I’m indifferent towards. Don’t they already have a 12 second clock that has never been enforced?
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Post by Rufus-T on Feb 16, 2019 2:08:40 GMT
A lot of pitchers can hit a little sometimes or move a runner over. It's a bit of flavor in the game. I would support American league pitchers hitting before DH in the NL. please axe interleague play as well - it was 'cute' after the strike - or pull it out every 5 years so a geographic region such as myself gets to see the Yanks, Os, BoSox...... I am not a big fan of interleague play either. Being a Yankees fan, I like to see more of Yankees against Seattle Mariners or Houston Astros. I hardly get to see Mike Trout plays when he is in the same league. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 2:19:53 GMT
You've come to enjoy your pitcher getting yanked... or.... Going to bat with runners in scoring position as he proceeds to swing at 3 pitches 5 feet outside in the dirt ending the inning and scoring threat? you must enjoy torture movies too to me - this goes back to the old school way of thinking of fans/league refusing to adapt to the times and change the game. even in the nfl, nba and nhl we see drastic rule changes at times. would liven up the game IMO - other than taking a bathroom break/beer run when the pitcher is up If you love baseball, you would love the twist and turn a game may provide. With pitchers hitting, there are more opportunity for something wild to happen. As for runners on scoring position and a pitcher coming to bat, the strategy depends on the various situation like what is the score, how many outs, how well the pitcher is pitching in that game. So much to consider. Not sure about you, but I am a hardcore baseball fan. I love the variety that a pitcher hit can offer to the game. Not that I do not like the DH. Just that I like having the pitcher hit more. The torture you talked about becomes joy for me. Isn't it true that it is torture if you team playing in extra inning in a WS game, but at the same time a blessing? The DH is mostly there to lure ordinary fans who love the long ball. This is how I've come to watching a pitcher bat: NHL - Can you imagine if on a Penalty Shot - the opposing goalie was the one by rule who needed to shoot? NFL - Can you imagine on a Field Goal if it was the Offensive Tackle who had to kick? NBA - Can you imagine if 3 PT shots only counted if they were made by Centers? Pitchers getting crucial game winning hits are 'outliers' which rarely happen - i'd rather see my Ace pitcher kept in the game with a skilled batsman at the plate. But that's just me. It's an argument that goes round an round. I do appreciate the old school fans views - my IMO - it's just one of the rules that needs to evolve to bring the game back to popularity. You nailed it stated the DH is more for the casual fan. I appreciate the chess match you're talking about; however a vast majority of the population doesn't. Doesn't mean one stance is right or wrong - but for the excitement and entertainment of the game - I think this is one area that needs to change. |
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Post by millar70 on Feb 16, 2019 2:22:47 GMT
May I ask why people are so dead-set against the DH in the NL - other than the typical answer of - it's un-American and not apple pie and goes against the traditions of the game? i'm tired of an automatic out unless you're Madison Bumgarner. nothing more infuriating then when your pitcher is pitching a gem - and he (they) may be down 1-0 in the 7th. bottom of the 7th they've got a man on 2nd and 3rd and you know full well a single can drive in two runs and put them ahead - but up comes the pitcher with two out who you want to see finish the game because he's pitching lights out. I for the life of me have never comprehended why pitchers are so abysmal at hitting - but for years upon years - I've grown tired of this 'automatic out'. Not all pitchers can hit like Bumgarner, but not all pitchers are horrible with the bat either. I think it adds a fun element to the game. You actually have to do some thinking, some strategies, not just put 9 guys in a lineup and sit around scratching your ass for the whole game. Plus, as I've stated before, I personally like the fact that the two leagues do it differently. It's unique, and that's a good thing. |
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