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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 19, 2019 6:03:07 GMT
Finally saw Glass and I actually really loved it. Is this one of those "it subverted my expectations so I hated it" cases or what?
Unbreakable
Glass
Split
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Post by jcush on Feb 19, 2019 7:20:50 GMT
Unbreakable
Split
Glass
I liked Glass quite a bit.
I assume you're referencing The Last Jedi and I get the comparison. For me TLJ subverted my expectations in a mostly bad way, whereas Glass subverted my expectations in a mostly good way.
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Post by Caesium137 on Feb 19, 2019 9:28:05 GMT
Unbreakable
Split
Glass
I liked Glass it is really bumpy through the middle.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Feb 19, 2019 11:11:18 GMT
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Unbreakable
Split
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Glass
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Post by ReyKahuka on Feb 19, 2019 14:08:40 GMT
Unbreakable - 8
Split - 8
Glass - 0
I'm simply going to pretend Glass never happened. Imagine watching Die Hard 3 and at the end a car comes out of nowhere and runs over McClane. A guy gets out and says, "I'm part of a cult who kills cops." Roll credits. It's the lamest imaginable ending. With what they've done with The Last Jedi and Glass, I fear this is the future of storytelling. Writers are either of afraid of clichés or overthinking plot twists they want to surprise audiences with that they stop writing coherent stories altogether. "You didn't see that coming!" No, because that made no sense at all. If I wanted incoherent babble, I'd talk to a toddler.
I would've been fine with any or all of the characters dying in Glass, but there has to be a reason, some kind of setup. They didn't even fight a losing battle, they were just executed by a random third party with no backstory at all. It's awful. Proper narrative structure has certain requirements.
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Post by jakesully on Feb 19, 2019 16:04:13 GMT
1. Unbreakable 7/10
2. Split 6/10
3. Glass 5.5/10
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:18:49 GMT
Unbreakable- 7/10
Split- 6/10
Glass- 2/10
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Post by NewtJorden on Feb 19, 2019 17:12:47 GMT
Unbreakable 8/10
Split 7.5/10
Glass 5/10
Glass had potential, but that ending...
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Post by anthonyrocks on Feb 19, 2019 20:00:50 GMT
I still haven't seen it yet but I heard that the ending of "GLASS" is basically 1 BIG "Eff You" to All of the Fans of both "UNBREAKABLE" and "SPLIT".
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Post by Vits on Feb 19, 2019 20:49:54 GMT
GLASS < UNBREAKABLE < SPLIT
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 19, 2019 20:53:29 GMT
1. Split - 8.5/10
For me, Split is both deeply disturbing and deeply emotional.
2. Unbreakable - 7.5/10
3. Glass - 7.0/10
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Post by marth on Feb 19, 2019 21:00:20 GMT
Unbreakable 8/10
Split 6/10
Haven´t seen Glass yet.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 19, 2019 21:00:58 GMT
I still haven't seen it yet but I heard that the ending of " GLASS" is basically 1 BIG "Eff You" to All of the Fans of both " UNBREAKABLE" and " SPLIT". Depends on who you ask. It is a perfect example of an ending that will divide the audience. Half will like it because it is so different and half will hate it because it is so subversive. |
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Post by darksidebeadle on Feb 19, 2019 21:33:48 GMT
Split
Unbreakable
Glass
Liked them all
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 19, 2019 22:03:59 GMT
Unbreakable - 8 Split - 8 Glass - 0 I'm simply going to pretend Glass never happened. Imagine watching Die Hard 3 and at the end a car comes out of nowhere and runs over McClane. A guy gets out and says, "I'm part of a cult who kills cops." Roll credits. It's the lamest imaginable ending. With what they've done with The Last Jedi and Glass, I fear this is the future of storytelling. Writers are either of afraid of clichés or overthinking plot twists they want to surprise audiences with that they stop writing coherent stories altogether. "You didn't see that coming!" No, because that made no sense at all. If I wanted incoherent babble, I'd talk to a toddler. I would've been fine with any or all of the characters dying in Glass, but there has to be a reason, some kind of setup. They didn't even fight a losing battle, they were just executed by a random third party with no backstory at all. It's awful. Proper narrative structure has certain requirements. The setup was 80 years of comic book lore. Where there's a superhero, there's a supervillain, and regular people are hurt in the crossfire. Characters like Batman even get blamed for "creating" the villains they fight just by existing. A world with superheroes and villains would be utter chaos and Paulson's cult (Paulson having ulterior motives, btw, was pretty telegraphed) is there to keep that from manifestation. My fear for the future of storytelling is writers being terrified of doing anything different or deconstruction worn tropes, something TLJ and apparently this are getting dragged through the mud for. |
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Post by ReyKahuka on Feb 20, 2019 3:06:42 GMT
Unbreakable - 8 Split - 8 Glass - 0 I'm simply going to pretend Glass never happened. Imagine watching Die Hard 3 and at the end a car comes out of nowhere and runs over McClane. A guy gets out and says, "I'm part of a cult who kills cops." Roll credits. It's the lamest imaginable ending. With what they've done with The Last Jedi and Glass, I fear this is the future of storytelling. Writers are either of afraid of clichés or overthinking plot twists they want to surprise audiences with that they stop writing coherent stories altogether. "You didn't see that coming!" No, because that made no sense at all. If I wanted incoherent babble, I'd talk to a toddler. I would've been fine with any or all of the characters dying in Glass, but there has to be a reason, some kind of setup. They didn't even fight a losing battle, they were just executed by a random third party with no backstory at all. It's awful. Proper narrative structure has certain requirements. The setup was 80 years of comic book lore. Where there's a superhero, there's a supervillain, and regular people are hurt in the crossfire. Characters like Batman even get blamed for "creating" the villains they fight just by existing. A world with superheroes and villains would be utter chaos and Paulson's cult (Paulson having ulterior motives, btw, was pretty telegraphed) is there to keep that from manifestation. My fear for the future of storytelling is writers being terrified of doing anything different or deconstruction worn tropes, something TLJ and apparently this are getting dragged through the mud for. It was extremely obvious in the trailers, don't you think? That doesn't give her a proper backstory or make her character any more compelling. A meteor landing on Bruce Willis would've made more narrative sense.
They aren't deconstructing tropes, they're taking left turns for the sake of shock value. There isn't anything interesting about that plot twist, it doesn't make the story better. Telling the audience they wasted their time investing in this story or its characters defeats the purpose of telling the story in the first place.
Narrative non-sequiturs are the lazy writer's way out. The only thing worse than a cliché is the writer saying, "This happened just because." It doesn't mean anything, there's no purpose, no value to having followed the story. It's just there.
"This just in: All eyes were on downtown today as BRICK WALL. Back to you, Jim."
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 20, 2019 4:39:53 GMT
The setup was 80 years of comic book lore. Where there's a superhero, there's a supervillain, and regular people are hurt in the crossfire. Characters like Batman even get blamed for "creating" the villains they fight just by existing. A world with superheroes and villains would be utter chaos and Paulson's cult (Paulson having ulterior motives, btw, was pretty telegraphed) is there to keep that from manifestation. My fear for the future of storytelling is writers being terrified of doing anything different or deconstruction worn tropes, something TLJ and apparently this are getting dragged through the mud for. It was extremely obvious in the trailers, don't you think? That doesn't give her a proper backstory or make her character any more compelling. A meteor landing on Bruce Willis would've made more narrative sense.
They aren't deconstructing tropes, they're taking left turns for the sake of shock value. There isn't anything interesting about that plot twist, it doesn't make the story better. Telling the audience they wasted their time investing in this story or its characters defeats the purpose of telling the story in the first place.
Narrative non-sequiturs are the lazy writer's way out. The only thing worse than a cliché is the writer saying, "This happened just because." It doesn't mean anything, there's no purpose, no value to having followed the story. It's just there.
"This just in: All eyes were on downtown today as BRICK WALL. Back to you, Jim."
...I literally just told you the purpose. Speaking of non-sequiturs, your entire response is one. |
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Post by ReyKahuka on Feb 20, 2019 14:31:41 GMT
It was extremely obvious in the trailers, don't you think? That doesn't give her a proper backstory or make her character any more compelling. A meteor landing on Bruce Willis would've made more narrative sense.
They aren't deconstructing tropes, they're taking left turns for the sake of shock value. There isn't anything interesting about that plot twist, it doesn't make the story better. Telling the audience they wasted their time investing in this story or its characters defeats the purpose of telling the story in the first place.
Narrative non-sequiturs are the lazy writer's way out. The only thing worse than a cliché is the writer saying, "This happened just because." It doesn't mean anything, there's no purpose, no value to having followed the story. It's just there.
"This just in: All eyes were on downtown today as BRICK WALL. Back to you, Jim."
...I literally just told you the purpose. Speaking of non-sequiturs, your entire response is one. And I covered that in my initial post. Learn the definition of non-sequitur. If you're going to play the role of pseudointellectual defending lazy writing, you should at least know what you're talking about.
Cheers.
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Post by jamesbamesy on Apr 9, 2019 0:34:56 GMT
Watched Glass and thought it was pretty good, although I wished the ending wasn’t such a bummer. It was an interesting way of surprising me. My ranking with added ratings:
1. Unbreakable - 8/10
2. Split - 8/10
3. Glass - 7/10
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 9, 2019 4:56:05 GMT
...I literally just told you the purpose. Speaking of non-sequiturs, your entire response is one. And I covered that in my initial post. Learn the definition of non-sequitur. If you're going to play the role of pseudointellectual defending lazy writing, you should at least know what you're talking about.
Cheers.
Considering the crux of my reply was about comic book lore, which is also the crux of what this entire franchise is about, and your response didn't even contain the words "comic book", instead going on a - get ready for it - non-sequitur about a meteor falling on Bruce Willis, I'd wager that you did not cover anything I said let alone my reasoning for why the cult is in the film. |
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