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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 20, 2019 17:17:50 GMT
Did I quote you? Did I mention you in my initial post? Did I start a conversation with you? Seems like you have a guilty conscience. You like to hate on Marvel movies 24/7. Solid life priorities. Yawn You see criticism as hate. You've become like so many of the others that used to be here. Any form of criticism is seen as hate, no matter how light or strong. A Your automatic response is to label a person a troll/hater. Youve become that person. you indirected me saying "starting threads on black panther is not a feminist movie" which I started (i didn't write the article so how you can say that is a troll/hate thread is beyond me) I see constant criticism as sad. You don't have to like the movies, I just think it's embarrassing when grown men complain about movies as a full time hobby. I don't like Transformers, or Avatar, or plenty of other films. If it comes up I'm not afraid to mention it. But I'm not spending time on the boards for those specific films endlessly criticizing them and posting like-minded articles. It's just weird that people do this. What else can you complain about, somebody's favorite color? I also think it's odd that you post negative comments and then try to take the high road when somebody questions your failed logic. "Why are you attacking me?" Grow up, man.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 20, 2019 17:40:24 GMT
superheroes were more freedom fighters and civil rights champions than SJW.
SJW makes no sense because 2 wrongs don't make a right.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 20, 2019 17:42:44 GMT
There's a fine line between legitimately fighting social injustice... and virtue signalling.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 20, 2019 17:47:48 GMT
No, they have not. There is a difference between fighting for justice and fighting for social justice.
Superheroes like Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Captain America, and Spider-Man put their lives on the line to save and protect those weaker than them and strive to enforce justice on those who break the law and do harm on people. They do not expect any awards out of fighting to stop crime and stand against those who bully into submission.
A social justice warrior is a political fanatic who forces their ideology onto others and attacks those who disagree on any sort of level be it verbally or physically. Social justice is directly or indirectly used as a device to convince everyone else that they are on the right side of history and those who do not share their views are unforgiving monsters bent on social regression. These are not the kinds of people you would see a superhero of the traditionalist sense be in favor of.
A superhero would save all the people trapped in a burning building, an SJW superhero may only want to save a select few who agree to their political views and leave the rest to fry and save themselves - even if the best option for safety is to jump out of said burning building onto a pile of rocks.
Also, the majority of comic writers today working for mainstream publications like Marvel, DC, IDW, or Image just plain suck as storytellers and cannot craft good enough characters or storylines to save their lives they just rely on the medium to give them a voice to rant on republicans and make all them into vile scum with no redeemable traits.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 20, 2019 18:03:50 GMT
I see constant criticism as sad. You don't have to like the movies, I just think it's embarrassing when grown men complain about movies as a full time hobby. I don't like Transformers, or Avatar, or plenty of other films. If it comes up I'm not afraid to mention it. But I'm not spending time on the boards for those specific films endlessly criticizing them and posting like-minded articles. 1) Its not constant criticism. I have said positive things about MCU movies before 2) i do like MCU movies, I think IW was great. I thought Gotg2 was solid. Im not a sponge though who will absorb anything and everything the MCU throw unlike some people here. My recent criticism has been on the overhyping of black panther, the mediocrity of antman 2, the Disney takeover of Fox and the controversy over captain marvel. You saying all those are unjustified? Do you see me making hate threads about Endgame or such. Im happy to proven wrong. In fact I used to complain a lot about MCU villains but they started to improve them so i stopped voicing my disdain on that matter. 3) Posting like minded articles is providing a diffrent perspective from other bloggers and authors. Do you want to turn this place into a jerk circle echo chamber where no one says anything remotely bad about the MCU? Why would I care about someones favourite colour? Movies are more complex and discussion worthy than arbitary things like colour or favourite holiday destinations. I dont like talking about rankings, fan theories or future news and gossip. Talking about content of movies themselves, the story, the plots, the characters written and their choices/motivations, the cinematography, the art, etc is much more interesting. If then, I pose a question like I have before such as "is captain America responsible for trillions of deaths" or "is Shuri a mary sue character" and you still accuse me of negative comments then I dunno what to say. You may think DCFan is a troll but i see now why he makes sense when he said "MCU fans dont like it when you ask too many questions"
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 20, 2019 18:28:06 GMT
superheroes were more freedom fighters and civil rights champions than SJW. SJW makes no sense because 2 wrongs don't make a right. Nah they fought for Social Justice.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 20, 2019 18:33:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 18:42:06 GMT
KA-POW!!!!!!@ Haunted Knight for the win!
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 20, 2019 18:42:10 GMT
GIVE WARRIORS THE SOCIAL JUSTICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1234
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 18:43:28 GMT
As I mentioned in another post, I don't believe it's the message that people are reacting to but rather the delivery method. I can't speak for other people but that isn't the case with me. I dislike the fact that she belittled the #metoo movement by narcissistically likening some dude at an airport asking for her phone number to sexual harrassment. I dislike that she used a disabled black woman to further her own SJW agenda by selecting her to take an interview and then making a point of telling everyone why she chose her. And while she didn't actually say she hates white dudes, her obsession with making everything about inclusivity is nauseating. Like I have said before, the fact that she is a charmless harpy is irrelevant. I would dislike anyone behaving as she has.
Oh...and don't forget the GoFundMe page to pay for people to watch her movie. She (an overprivileged white woman) just got paid more than any other MCU lead for her first appearance in one of their movies. God forbid she donates any of that. So basically... ARTIFICIAL BOOOSTERS?!
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 20, 2019 18:44:59 GMT
I can't speak for other people but that isn't the case with me. I dislike the fact that she belittled the #metoo movement by narcissistically likening some dude at an airport asking for her phone number to sexual harrassment. I dislike that she used a disabled black woman to further her own SJW agenda by selecting her to take an interview and then making a point of telling everyone why she chose her. And while she didn't actually say she hates white dudes, her obsession with making everything about inclusivity is nauseating. Like I have said before, the fact that she is a charmless harpy is irrelevant. I would dislike anyone behaving as she has.
Oh...and don't forget the GoFundMe page to pay for people to watch her movie. She (an overprivileged white woman) just got paid more than any other MCU lead for her first appearance in one of their movies. God forbid she donates any of that. So basically... ARTIFICIAL BOOOSTERS?! still brilliant, after all these years^
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 20, 2019 18:47:27 GMT
Did I quote you? Did I mention you in my initial post? Did I start a conversation with you? Seems like you have a guilty conscience. You like to hate on Marvel movies 24/7. Solid life priorities. Yawn You see criticism as hate. You've become like so many of the others that used to be here. Any form of criticism is seen as hate, no matter how light or strong. Your automatic response is to label a person a troll/hater. Youve become that person. you indirected me saying "starting threads on black panther is not a feminist movie" which I started (i didn't write the article so how you can say that is a troll/hate thread is beyond me) Really, dude? Really?
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 20, 2019 18:52:58 GMT
superheroes were more freedom fighters and civil rights champions than SJW. SJW makes no sense because 2 wrongs don't make a right. Nah they fought for Social Justice. In a way, aren't "Civil Rights champions" the same as SJWs? It's just that the loudest SJWs have become about hating straight white men.
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 20, 2019 19:05:47 GMT
No, they have not. There is a difference between fighting for justice and fighting for social justice. Superheroes like Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Captain America, and Spider-Man put their lives on the line to save and protect those weaker than them and strive to enforce justice on those who break the law and do harm on people. They do not expect any awards out of fighting to stop crime and stand against those who bully into submission. A social justice warrior is a political fanatic who forces their ideology onto others and attacks those who disagree on any sort of level be it verbally or physically. Social justice is directly or indirectly used as a device to convince everyone else that they are on the right side of history and those who do not share their views are unforgiving monsters bent on social regression. These are not the kinds of people you would see a superhero of the traditionalist sense be in favor of. A superhero would save all the people trapped in a burning building, an SJW superhero may only want to save a select few who agree to their political views and leave the rest to fry and save themselves - even if the best option for safety is to jump out of said burning building onto a pile of rocks. Also, the majority of comic writers today working for mainstream publications like Marvel, DC, IDW, or Image just plain suck as storytellers and cannot craft good enough characters or storylines to save their lives they just rely on the medium to give them a voice to rant on republicans and make all them into vile scum with no redeemable traits. Characters like Superman, Wonder Woman and Captain America are about fighting for social justice. They do things with a statement. Characters like Batman and Spider-man are just crime fighters. What they do is more about a singular personal crime.
That's the negative label put on it by what it has become. Same with feminism.
Would they? I think an "SJW" would let all of them burn because they were arguing among themselves about the building burning at all.
Because they aren't storytellers. They are writers and ranters.
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 20, 2019 19:14:27 GMT
Nah they fought for Social Justice. In a way, aren't "Civil Rights champions" the same as SJWs? It's just that the loudest SJWs have become about hating straight white men. Can you provide an example of a prominent, influential "SJW" who has actually said anything encouraging hatred of straight white men, and can you do so quoting them in their own words with proper context? As a straight white male who is an advocate for social justice, I'd really like to see actual evidence of this phenomena. And do not give me a link to YouTube. I will never watch it.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 20, 2019 19:17:31 GMT
GIVE WARRIORS THE SOCIAL JUSTICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1234 No don't, I'm betting on the Kings man! They're saying they were gonna take my thumbs!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 19:19:14 GMT
For as long as I've felt, stories with superheroes have always been about prejudice in some form. Maybe it's on the down-low as far as children and their powers of interpretation go, but it's all the same as an adult. Nothing's changed. The X-Men still deal with racism, homophobia, family. Superman's seen his fair share of xenophobia; the MCU's done a few nods at PTSD, colonialism, and the relationship between government oversight and freedom.
So I definitely agree. I guess the differences are subtle. Comics, and movies in general unpack complicated issues with entertainment. There's nothing entertaining about being right up in your face spitting truth. Even when it's correct, people don't like it. Less room for interpretation makes people feel preached to.
Maybe.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 20, 2019 19:36:03 GMT
Social Justice with superheroes used to mean protecting the weak from crime or injustice. Dangerous foreign invaders etc. This is no longer compatible with the SJW we know and love. Maybe that is why so many of the invading armies in modern superhero stuff are so vague or emo--because the idea of preserving a society from a threat a la Beowulf is just too old fashioned. But it is true that even in the early 40s they were using comic books for social political purposes--WW 2, then civil rights. Many of them are actually quite blatant when you get to the 60s-70s. There is a Man-Thing comic where a college is having a protest, and this big Odin type guy who doesn't wear a shirt kills his own daughter for disobedience and then the Man-Thing burns him. I think though that the general public has expectations that a super hero story be generally speaking an adventure story--and not an Antifa recruitment ad or something that may go over well in a DNC convention.
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 20, 2019 21:23:10 GMT
In a way, aren't "Civil Rights champions" the same as SJWs? It's just that the loudest SJWs have become about hating straight white men. Can you provide an example of a prominent, influential "SJW" who has actually said anything encouraging hatred of straight white men, and can you do so quoting them in their own words with proper context? As a straight white male who is an advocate for social justice, I'd really like to see actual evidence of this phenomena. And do not give me a link to YouTube. I will never watch it. You really aren't picking up what I'm throwing down are you? The SJWs of now are the memes that we see. That red haired girl with the ugly face. The blonde with the glasses looking like she's about to spit on someone. The girl that's against video games for how she sees them treating women. Those are just crybabies. Those are the loudest ones giving what were the actual social justice warriors a really bad name and making it a negative thing to be. People that actually go out and fight for other peoples rights. It's almost as if they are trying to make it that speaking out against something unjust is a bad thing.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Feb 20, 2019 21:41:04 GMT
So it's weird to see the complaint towards anything dealing in Social Justice. It's just something to bitch about. When they aren't complaining about Marvel movies being SJW jerkoff pieces, they're posting articles about how Black Panther isn't a feminist movie or asking why there aren't more transgender characters in the MCU. When they aren't complaining about the MCU having too much comedy, they're asking why Captain Marvel doesn't smile in the teaser. There's no rhyme or reason to most of the criticism, the haters just like to complain. They’re the minority. The loudest voices. In reality, I’d say most people that want nothing to do with Captain Marvel feel that way for the same reason I do: she is wholly unnecessary right now. Let us finish out this story with these characters built over a decade and not introduce this mega-powerful new character that will do nothing but drain screentime from the heroes we actually care about at this point.
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