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Post by faustus5 on Feb 23, 2019 11:56:28 GMT
I still say Mary J. Blige can't deliver a line though. I didn't mind her, but she definitely stood out as the least impressive member of a really fine cast.
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Post by sostie on Feb 23, 2019 12:30:43 GMT
Watched it last week an really enjoyed it. Seemed like it was going for Comic Book TV Show "edginess" of say Happy or Preacher but not quite getting there.
Robert Sheehan is always worth watching, and it made me want to revisit his earlier show Misfits...the greatest super hero TV show EVER.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 24, 2019 17:06:28 GMT
Technically, people did get married and have sex at 13 in older times. It's only because our social norms have changed in modern periods that this is now taboo, but I don't think the act itself is inherently wrong, it will all depend on social norms. For example, I grew up in a 3rd world country where some of the tribes allowed marriage as early as 12 though my city itself allowed marriage at 18 but only with parents'consent. Am I to go to the tribes and force them to obey my social norms and insist that they completely disregard their own custom and culture? Like I said, slippery slope. As for your race example, there's a difference between believing in something and actually acting out and affecting people because of it. If your mom believes that black people are cursed then that's her right to believe so. I don't agree with it and I think it's ridiculous, but I'm not going to force her to change her beliefs (though I will try to convince her). But if she starts actively discriminating or attacking black people, then that's different and should definitely be called out and reprimanded. But that's only because she went from simple belief to taking action, and there lies the difference. Going back to Pratt and Page, Pratt never took any bigoted or harmful action that I know of, he simply got attacked for his choice of religion, and that's why Page is completely in the wrong here. Had Pratt actually made any bigoted action then it would have been different. In the past, (and still in the present even in the US I believe Alabama in certain situations allows as young as 13 as able to marry), it was more acceptable. So was Slavery recently, and mass Genocide further back. (You go to BCE era when God's word was Objectively Moral killing God's enemies and wiping out Men, Women and Children of a whole people was considered Moral then). We have less and less of that because we've had people push against it. If we didn't then those Moray's would still be ok. I will agree that actions are different than beliefs. And there is a line between the two, but if you want to get into a real slippery slope then here we go. Beliefs are the first step to action. Even if my Mom never acted on her beliefs (she has), but lets say she never actively acted on those beliefs. Beliefs do pepper how we do everything. Even if she never did anything actively discriminatory, just having those beliefs would effect every interaction. Could she be trusted to be say Principal of a School that was 85% African American with those beliefs. Would those children get the same education if she didn't have those beliefs. I know very slippery slope, but I don't think I could trust someone with that belief to do that job. It may be me being intolerant of her belief, but it's an intolerance of someone else intolerant beliefs. Sorry I'm in a weird philosophical debate-y mood. We've kinda gone off the rails. Slavery and mass genocide are different because, again, they move away from simple belief into taking action on that belief. It's the action part that's the main culprit. Same is true for your mom example. Even if she has prejudices in her heart against blacks as long as she always treats everyone fairly and shows no discrimination for a poc then we can't really say she's not fit to be a principal. Now if she actually starts discriminating, as in taking any action (no matter how small) where she treats people unfairly then that's different. After all, there are quite a number of elementary school teachers who have a preference for girl students over boys. But we can't just fire them or force them to change their minds. The most we can do is try to convince them and just make sure they take no discriminatory actions. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 24, 2019 18:07:44 GMT
In the past, (and still in the present even in the US I believe Alabama in certain situations allows as young as 13 as able to marry), it was more acceptable. So was Slavery recently, and mass Genocide further back. (You go to BCE era when God's word was Objectively Moral killing God's enemies and wiping out Men, Women and Children of a whole people was considered Moral then). We have less and less of that because we've had people push against it. If we didn't then those Moray's would still be ok. I will agree that actions are different than beliefs. And there is a line between the two, but if you want to get into a real slippery slope then here we go. Beliefs are the first step to action. Even if my Mom never acted on her beliefs (she has), but lets say she never actively acted on those beliefs. Beliefs do pepper how we do everything. Even if she never did anything actively discriminatory, just having those beliefs would effect every interaction. Could she be trusted to be say Principal of a School that was 85% African American with those beliefs. Would those children get the same education if she didn't have those beliefs. I know very slippery slope, but I don't think I could trust someone with that belief to do that job. It may be me being intolerant of her belief, but it's an intolerance of someone else intolerant beliefs. Sorry I'm in a weird philosophical debate-y mood. We've kinda gone off the rails. Slavery and mass genocide are different because, again, they move away from simple belief into taking action on that belief. It's the action part that's the main culprit. Same is true for your mom example. Even if she has prejudices in her heart against blacks as long as she always treats everyone fairly and shows no discrimination for a poc then we can't really say she's not fit to be a principal. Now if she actually starts discriminating, as in taking any action (no matter how small) where she treats people unfairly then that's different. After all, there are quite a number of elementary school teachers who have a preference for girl students over boys. But we can't just fire them or force them to change their minds. The most we can do is try to convince them and just make sure they take no discriminatory actions. Treating people differently isn't always blatant. Always being tense around POC isn't discriminatory but can still be felt and seen. I was invited to an all black church when I was a teen. After fighting with my Mom I was allowed to go. No one said anything but I could feel from about half that I didn't belong and wasn't welcome. They did nothing discrimintory, but you could pick it up. Nothing was said or done. Afterwards my friend who invited me told me that about 10 members actually lambasted my friend for bringing me to the church. We worked about 8 I knew of were from the people I felt unwelcome by. Beliefs effect all actions and in-actions. I've been around a confirmed pedophile. (Sadly he is a cousin) I've never seen him act on or do anything that would be considered pedophillic, but I've seen underage people around him get creeped out all the same. I have a friend who has 2 children. I really don't like one of his kids. I've never done anything to show this dislike to him. I make sure the one child gets to do everything as the other child, but the one child I believe is a fucking useless picked up on it anyway. The point is beliefs don't have to be expressed or even acted upon to effect others. So even if my Mom said the exact same thing, treated POC the same, dished out the same punishment, was fair in all decisions, she could still make them feel unwelcome without doing anything that could be considered discriminatory. You can't accuse someone of doing something racist if they don't make you feel welcome, but it does effect the person who feels unwelcome. And this doesn't even have to be conscious. I'm pretty sure most of it isn't. It's just an expression of a belief. And trust me feeling unwelcome, different, or unwanted as a child does effect a kid.
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