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Post by moviemouth on Feb 25, 2019 14:58:14 GMT
YES!!!
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Post by Reggie_Stration on Feb 25, 2019 15:00:05 GMT
Best Picture winners are really going downhill in terms of lasting impact. I dont think any of Birdman, Argo, Shape of Water, Spotlight or Green Book are going to be fondly remembered in even 5 years never mind 15-20. Just revisiting the 2000's where movies like Lord of the Rings, Million Dollar Baby, The Departed, Gladiator and No Country for OLd Men have left behind a strong legacy. Hate to say it but movies these days are winning more and more for their political message and content rather than entertainment combined with real quality. Is this decade that much worse than the 80's for Best Picture winners? That had its fair share of unspectacular filler. Then we had a much stronger decade following that where almost every winner was noteworthy.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 25, 2019 15:14:13 GMT
No, but that's the academy. Weird things happen sometimes.
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Post by Vits on Feb 26, 2019 0:37:51 GMT
If the best movie isn't going to win the Oscar, then I'd prefer if a bad movie wins it. No, really. At least then the anger would be a little more justified. I'm not saying we can't disagree with the Academy's choices but, when that happens, people tend to focus on the winner's flaws in order to explain why it doesn't deserve to win to the point where they ignore the strengths. They talk about it like it was a bad movie. It happened with SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE, CRASH, THE ARTIST, etc... Now it's happening with GREEN BOOK. However, when all it's said and done, they're good movies. Not flawless, but good. GREEN BOOK in particular did some things to transcend the sub-genre's tropes, but most people don't seem to notice it, based on comments I've read, especially those that compare it to other movies about racism (not just the ones that were nominated). What a shame.
I always appreciate when the Academy does things to acknowledge great movies that weren't nominated. It's a way to shut up those that say "My favorite movie was snubbed, so the voters probably didn't see it." This time, the ceremony opened with a montage of most 2018 movies. There were presenters who starred in critically aclaimed movies that won awards from other organizations. Even BIRD BOX (a popular movie that wasn't even close to being among the best) got a shout out! They also did that thing where a scene from an old movie is shown right before the actors in it appear on stage (as a reunion) but, for the 1st time ever(?), it wasn't an Oscar nominated/winning movie, but rather a cult classic.
The ceremony's pacing didn't suffer due to the lack of a host, but so many winners clearly didn't rehearse their speeches. Because of this, the ceremony ended up being as long as usual. The jokes and bits ranged from funny (Tina Fey, Amy Poehler and Maya Rudolph; Brian Tyree Henry and Melissa McCarthy) to eye-rolling (Emilia Clarke; Danai Gurira and James McAvoy). I was intending to propose Barbra Streisand and Spike Lee as hosts for next year, until I read that he complained about losing Best Picture... even though he won Best Adapted Screenplay. What kind of attitude is that?
The worst thing an award show can be is predictable and boring, so decisions like the ones for the performance of SHALLOW were creative. From the way it was filmed to Bradley and Gaga going up to the stage without anyone introducing them, feeling almost like a surprise. I didn't like WHEN A COWBOY TRADES HIS SPURS FOR WINGS, though. Unlike the movie version, the rhythm was slower and there was no harmonica. David Rawlings and Gillian Welch may have better singing voices than Tim Blake Nelson, but they didn't put the same emotion into the song that only an actor can do.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 26, 2019 5:10:21 GMT
It's the new Crash.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Feb 26, 2019 5:20:39 GMT
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 26, 2019 5:27:22 GMT
I think the Oscars should go back to 5 best picture noms. I think there's too much vote splitting lately.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Feb 26, 2019 5:32:12 GMT
agree about the 5 noms and vote splitting, twothousandonemark …. they also need to get straightened out about this lead and supporting nonsense … and really quite small roles being nomed as supporting but therein lies another rant for another time
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Post by Vits on Feb 26, 2019 12:38:53 GMT
…. they also need to get straightened out about this lead and supporting nonsense … Well, it's not the Academy who decides that.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Feb 26, 2019 14:20:17 GMT
…. they also need to get straightened out about this lead and supporting nonsense … Well, it's not the Academy who decides that. Didn't say they did. BUT actually they do . If, for instance, someone who is obviously a lead is submitted to the Academy as a supporting player (or vice versa), the Academy could / should (imo), send a little note saying "nope, wrong category, think again". Rather like we do with the "franchise" nonsense here.
Btw …. You seem to have missed this part of my earlier post
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Post by geode on Feb 26, 2019 18:11:39 GMT
I think the Oscars should go back to 5 best picture noms. I think there's too much vote splitting lately. I agree, but it is all about money, to give a box office boost to more movies.
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Post by geode on Feb 26, 2019 18:13:19 GMT
Perhaps, but I seem to be one of the very few that thought "Crash" deserved its win.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 26, 2019 19:55:29 GMT
I think the Oscars should go back to 5 best picture noms. I think there's too much vote splitting lately. I agree, but it is all about money, to give a box office boost to more movies. Feels like the noms recently aren't being seen by anyone.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 26, 2019 20:56:30 GMT
I think there is a disconnect between the critical view and the popular one.
If more people voted for it then it deserved it.
Of course that doesn’t mean it was well made or that the complaints against it aren’t accurate. Very few people care about the liberties taken with history as long as the story is enjoyable.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Feb 26, 2019 21:44:33 GMT
The wording at the Awards Ceremony has been changed to "The Award Goes To ____ " . It used to be "The Winner is____", which to some, implied winners and losers. Seems the mindset is still there.
Used to be considered quite an honor to be nominated. Emphasis now is on second guessing the voting and whining about who was "snubbed".
Then there's the Prince wanna-be who had a temper tantrum because he didn't win it all !
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Post by geode on Feb 27, 2019 5:57:20 GMT
I agree, but it is all about money, to give a box office boost to more movies. Feels like the noms recently aren't being seen by anyone. Quite an exaggeration. I am sure that being nominated for Best Picture resulted in a bump in the box office. Maybe not great in some cases, but there nonetheless.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 27, 2019 13:55:14 GMT
Feels like the noms recently aren't being seen by anyone. Quite an exaggeration. I am sure that being nominated for Best Picture resulted in a bump in the box office. Maybe not great in some cases, but there nonetheless. its not that much of an exaggeration. A film will have already been a hit to make a substantial mark. There is a bump but so many films that win are indie darlings that aren’t even playing for normal audiences. Very few winners would be considered smash hits and that ties into ratings. Internationally there could be a bigger impact I guess but I’m not sure how influential Oscars are outside the US.
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Post by NewtJorden on Feb 27, 2019 16:10:01 GMT
No. It should have been Roma, but it was obvious from the start that they wouldnt give best picture to a Netflix movie.
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Post by Vits on Feb 27, 2019 16:19:03 GMT
I’m not sure how influential Oscars are outside the US. Pretty much the same. No. It should have been Roma, but it was obvious from the start that they wouldnt give best picture to a Netflix movie. What do you mean? It won in other categories.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 17:28:36 GMT
Roma for me. Black and white, foreign language, auteur film-making with mainstream leaning sensibilities; it has everything the academy is about. On top of that, it's a deeply personal movie and love letter from the director.
I don't mind Green Book winning. I thought it was excellent too. Roma was the total package though for me. Affecting, strong and personal, not only does it look like an Oscar caliber movie but it watches like one too. It's rare (for me, at least) the quality of a movie compliments the hype. I don't love that it's a Netflix offering but what can ya do?
It's not like Green Book winning was any big tragedy. It was my second choice after Roma to beat the odds and it did.
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