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Post by fjenkins on Feb 26, 2019 17:26:03 GMT
I honestly couldn't care less about the Oscars - however I did watch Green book on Sunday (not even aware the Oscars were on at the same time) and I must say, it IS my favorite movie of 2018. Tremendous movie. Funny and well written, I highly recommend.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 26, 2019 17:48:34 GMT
Green Book was fine. It's fairly well made, enjoyable, and entertaining with two very good actors giving very good performances in the lead roles. But it's also an extremely lightweight take on seriously dramatic subject matter and is ultimately pretty ordinary.
I think some of the blowback and criticism it's been getting is pretty overblown, but I don't think it's a great film by any stretch.
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 26, 2019 18:41:11 GMT
Green Book was fine. It's fairly well made, enjoyable, and entertaining with two very good actors giving very good performances in the lead roles. But it's also an extremely lightweight take on seriously dramatic subject matter and is ultimately pretty ordinary. I think some of the blowback and criticism it's been getting is pretty overblown, but I don't think it's a great film by any stretch. Well I know that the real family was very upset with the movie, saying that the entire thing was fiction. Not that I care, just an FYI.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 26, 2019 19:08:05 GMT
Green Book was fine. It's fairly well made, enjoyable, and entertaining with two very good actors giving very good performances in the lead roles. But it's also an extremely lightweight take on seriously dramatic subject matter and is ultimately pretty ordinary. I think some of the blowback and criticism it's been getting is pretty overblown, but I don't think it's a great film by any stretch. Well I know that the real family was very upset with the movie, saying that the entire thing was fiction. Not that I care, just an FYI. Yeah, that's one part of it. But even that bit, when you look at what their particular complaints were, seem to fall into the category of 'they really just don't know the story.' They weren't there and it didn't involve any of them, and the family of the other guy (one of whom cowrote this script) all seem to say it did happen and that Don Shirley himself said it did. The real reason they seem to be upset with it is that the movie posits that Don Shirley was estranged from his family and lived a very isolated life. Which is sort of fucked up, to be fair, if he did indeed have a good relationship with his family. In terms of them saying it was all made up, I just don't buy that the people saying that really know that story. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 26, 2019 20:14:28 GMT
Well I know that the real family was very upset with the movie, saying that the entire thing was fiction. Not that I care, just an FYI. Yeah, that's one part of it. But even that bit, when you look at what their particular complaints were, seem to fall into the category of 'they really just don't know the story.' They weren't there and it didn't involve any of them, and the family of the other guy (one of whom cowrote this script) all seem to say it did happen and that Don Shirley himself said it did. The real reason they seem to be upset with it is that the movie posits that Don Shirley was estranged from his family and lived a very isolated life. Which is sort of fucked up, to be fair, if he did indeed have a good relationship with his family. In terms of them saying it was all made up, I just don't buy that the people saying that really know that story. More than that, it's the kind of self-congratulating, condescending film that tackles racism in the ham-fisted way it would've been handled thirty years ago. That and Peter Farrelly shouldn't be allowed in the same room with an Oscar, let alone win one for Best Picture. I don't care all that much about the Oscars, it's all just a hype machine for the industry so whatever. But this is going to age very poorly-- and it's already a joke in the industry, just like Crash immediately was. The disappointing part to me is that industry insiders are saying the Academy establishment (old white guys) voted for Green Book as a kind of backlash middle finger to the diversity movement within the academy. Again the whole process is kind of a farce and it should be viewed as nothing but a fun talking point for film fans; but when troll votes are deciding best picture you have to wonder what the point of the exercise really is anymore. What's next troll votes deciding the presidency? Oh, wait...
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 26, 2019 20:22:31 GMT
Didn't see many of the Best Picture nominees. My favorites films of 2018 were A Quiet Place, Mary Queen of Scots, First Man, and Outlaw King (Netflix).
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 26, 2019 20:53:02 GMT
The only nominees I've seen so far are Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody. I like them both. Green Book was probably the better film technically but I liked Rhapsody better, probably because I was always a big fan of Queen. I was glad to see Rami Malek win Best Actor. He was truly amazing. Watch the Live Aid scene in the film and then watch Queen's actual performance. Malek, actually the actors who played Brian May, John Deacon and Roger Taylor also, recreated the set perfectly. That must have taken a lot of practice. I just wished they had stuck to the actual events. Mercury didn't know he was HIV positive until well after Live Aid.
We had a party for my parents wedding anniversary the day of Live Aid. We set up the party keeping the "grownups" outside and the "cooler" attendees inside to watch. My father came in right when Queen came on. He hated Rock. He sat and watched and asked "who the hell is this?". We waited for the snide comments, there were none. He asked "Who's the lead singer?" We told and he said "Damn, he knows how to entertain!" Two months later, I walked by his truck and there was a cassette of Queen'S Greatest Hits on the seat.
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Post by bluerisk on Feb 26, 2019 21:13:35 GMT
I honestly couldn't care less about the Oscars - however I did watch Green book on Sunday (not even aware the Oscars were on at the same time) and I must say, it IS my favorite movie of 2018. Tremendous movie. Funny and well written, I highly recommend. The award for Gaga was too much for me: Orson Wells, Peter O'Toole etc. pp. but Gaga. Ronan or Blunt to name a active actresses...Gaga.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 26, 2019 21:15:08 GMT
Yeah, that's one part of it. But even that bit, when you look at what their particular complaints were, seem to fall into the category of 'they really just don't know the story.' They weren't there and it didn't involve any of them, and the family of the other guy (one of whom cowrote this script) all seem to say it did happen and that Don Shirley himself said it did. The real reason they seem to be upset with it is that the movie posits that Don Shirley was estranged from his family and lived a very isolated life. Which is sort of fucked up, to be fair, if he did indeed have a good relationship with his family. In terms of them saying it was all made up, I just don't buy that the people saying that really know that story. More than that, it's the kind of self-congratulating, condescending film that tackles racism in the ham-fisted way it would've been handled thirty years ago. That and Peter Farrelly shouldn't be allowed in the same room with an Oscar, let alone win one for Best Picture. I don't care all that much about the Oscars, it's all just a hype machine for the industry so whatever. But this is going to age very poorly-- and it's already a joke in the industry, just like Crash immediately was. The disappointing part to me is that industry insiders are saying the Academy establishment (old white guys) voted for Green Book as a kind of backlash middle finger to the diversity movement within the academy. Again the whole process is kind of a farce and it should be viewed as nothing but a fun talking point for film fans; but when troll votes are deciding best picture you have to wonder what the point of the exercise really is anymore. What's next troll votes deciding the presidency? Oh, wait... Well, not more than that, since that's not the point I'm responding to in the quoted text... But this sort of attitude is what I meant in the first post. This is the kind of response I was referencing in my initial post. I think this attitude, which seems to be very widespread, is a little overly extreme. I agree that it's certainly not a great movie by any stretch, as I said before, but I also don't think it deserves some of this hatred it's receiving. It's fine. It's decently well made, it's not boring, it's well acted, it evokes the period decently, and it's generally well intentioned. It's a little naive, it's completely ordinary from an artistic and technical perspective, and yes... it's a bit antiquated in the way it handles the difficult and complex issue that it deals with in a fairly shallow, simple, and pleasant fashion. It's not great, but being an object of such anger and derision seems way over the top to me. If the troll vote of it means anything, it's that Roma wasn't the winner because it came from Netflix. That's the theory at least. But more than that I think it had more to do with the new-ish way that voting is calculated. Best picture is the only category in which the winner is chosen based on a weighted average based on all voters ranking the choices from best to worst as opposed to just adding the votes for the winners in other categories. This favors a movie like Green Book, that I think most people don't hate, and probably ranks in the middle instead of the pack for many people. I saw it described as favoring the 'least disliked' movie instead of the best liked. Something like Roma or The Favourite, genuinely artistic and unconventional films, are more likely to split the votes between being people's top and bottom choices because they will elicit extreme reactions in the way art can often do, and that allows a lightweight but likeable film like Green Book to be more likely to win. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 26, 2019 21:18:00 GMT
I honestly couldn't care less about the Oscars - however I did watch Green book on Sunday (not even aware the Oscars were on at the same time) and I must say, it IS my favorite movie of 2018. Tremendous movie. Funny and well written, I highly recommend. The award for Gaga was too much for me: Orson Wells, Peter O'Toole etc. pp. but Gaga. Ronan or Blunt to name a active actresses...Gaga. Well... she won for the song, not acting or directing. Not really a shock considering the song and its prominence in the movie, and the other nominees. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 26, 2019 21:20:53 GMT
More than that, it's the kind of self-congratulating, condescending film that tackles racism in the ham-fisted way it would've been handled thirty years ago. That and Peter Farrelly shouldn't be allowed in the same room with an Oscar, let alone win one for Best Picture. I don't care all that much about the Oscars, it's all just a hype machine for the industry so whatever. But this is going to age very poorly-- and it's already a joke in the industry, just like Crash immediately was. The disappointing part to me is that industry insiders are saying the Academy establishment (old white guys) voted for Green Book as a kind of backlash middle finger to the diversity movement within the academy. Again the whole process is kind of a farce and it should be viewed as nothing but a fun talking point for film fans; but when troll votes are deciding best picture you have to wonder what the point of the exercise really is anymore. What's next troll votes deciding the presidency? Oh, wait... Well, not more than that, since that's not the point I'm responding to in the quoted text... But this sort of attitude is what I meant in the first post. This is the kind of response I was referencing in my initial post. I think this attitude, which seems to be very widespread, is a little overly extreme. I agree that it's certainly not a great movie by any stretch, as I said before, but I also don't think it deserves some of this hatred it's receiving. It's fine. It's decently well made, it's not boring, it's well acted, it evokes the period decently, and it's generally well intentioned. It's a little naive, it's completely ordinary from an artistic and technical perspective, and yes... it's a bit antiquated in the way it handles the difficult and complex issue that it deals with in a fairly shallow, simple, and pleasant fashion. It's not great, but being an object of such anger and derision seems way over the top to me. If the troll vote of it means anything, it's that Roma wasn't the winner because it came from Netflix. That's the theory at least. But more than that I think it had more to do with the new-ish way that voting is calculated. Best picture is the only category in which the winner is chosen based on a weighted average based on all voters ranking the choices from best to worst as opposed to just adding the votes for the winners in other categories. This favors a movie like Green Book, that I think most people don't hate, and probably ranks in the middle instead of the pack for many people. I saw it described as favoring the 'least disliked' movie instead of the best liked. Something like Roma or The Favourite, genuinely artistic and unconventional films, are more likely to split the votes between being people's top and bottom choices because they will elicit extreme reactions in the way art can often do, and that allows a lightweight but likeable film like Green Book to be more likely to win. That and the fact that so many films are up for best picture it can become a real crap shoot, anyway. It is what it is.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 26, 2019 21:25:43 GMT
The only nominees I've seen so far are Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody. I like them both. Green Book was probably the better film technically but I liked Rhapsody better, probably because I was always a big fan of Queen. I was glad to see Rami Malek win Best Actor. He was truly amazing. Watch the Live Aid scene in the film and then watch Queen's actual performance. Malek, actually the actors who played Brian May, John Deacon and Roger Taylor also, recreated the set perfectly. That must have taken a lot of practice. I just wished they had stuck to the actual events. Mercury didn't know he was HIV positive until well after Live Aid. We had a party for my parents wedding anniversary the day of Live Aid. We set up the party keeping the "grownups" outside and the "cooler" attendees inside to watch. My father came in right when Queen came on. He hated Rock. He sat and watched and asked "who the hell is this?". We waited for the snide comments, there were none. He asked "Who's the lead singer?" We told and he said "Damn, he knows how to entertain!" Two months later, I walked by his truck and there was a cassette of Queen'S Greatest Hits on the seat. Bohemian Rhapsody was entertaining, but it was pretty fucking stupid. All through the movie I couldn't help think of how clearly none of the events transpired as presented, and then I looked everything up later and was proven right. It's like a TV movie of the week with better performances and production values. The music and the lead performance make it all worth a watch, but the dialogue sucks, the dramatization of moments is really cheesey, and the history is so obviously skewed. It was so clearly produced by the band members to make themselves and their legendary singer look better and more pleasant. And Mike Meyers making a Wayne's World reference was definitely a step too far for me. We all knew why he was there anyway. That was enough. No need to hammer it to death. He was perfectly fine in his role, but every scene with him was lame, especially when they showed him again during the live aid sequence. I shouldn't have expected any subtlety from this movie, but it was pretty absurd. Toying with the details of the true events could be a complaint lodged at some of the other films this year as well, namely Green Book and BlacKKKlansman, and maybe The Favourite to a much lesser degree, but Bohemian Rhapsody was the only case where I felt it was painfully obvious and a real detriment to the film as a whole. |
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Post by bluerisk on Feb 26, 2019 22:17:57 GMT
The award for Gaga was too much for me: Orson Wells, Peter O'Toole etc. pp. but Gaga. Ronan or Blunt to name a active actresses...Gaga. Well... she won for the song, not acting or directing. Not really a shock considering the song and its prominence in the movie, and the other nominees. I haven't seen any of these Oscar bait movies (there was a time when the awarded movies had significance at the box office - the healthy mix of acclaimed and popular movies has gone. But maybe that is next to impossible in times of Remakes, Relaunches, Reboots, Sequels and Prequels and Super Hero movies), and since last year I also spare me the time for the show itself. But wasn't she nominated for an acting Oscar...this alone is worse enough.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 26, 2019 22:24:06 GMT
Well... she won for the song, not acting or directing. Not really a shock considering the song and its prominence in the movie, and the other nominees. I haven't seen any of these Oscar bait movies (there was a time when the awarded movies had significance at the box office - the healthy mix of acclaimed and popular movies has gone. But maybe that is next to impossible in times of Remakes, Relaunches, Reboots, Sequels and Prequels and Super Hero movies), and since last year I also spare me the time for the show itself. But wasn't she nominated for an acting Oscar...this alone is worse enough. She was. And she was pretty good in the movie, which was pretty good itself. Her music isn't my style, but she is undeniably a talented singer, and I'd say she was rightly nominated for both categories. Can't comment on whatever Simpsons episode that is, but since it's post season 9 I'm sure it's bad. But this year did see a mix of big box office and small art house fair. Not sure where you're getting the idea that that doesn't happen anymore. |
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Post by fjenkins on Feb 26, 2019 22:37:59 GMT
Green Book was fine. It's fairly well made, enjoyable, and entertaining with two very good actors giving very good performances in the lead roles. But it's also an extremely lightweight take on seriously dramatic subject matter and is ultimately pretty ordinary. I think some of the blowback and criticism it's been getting is pretty overblown, but I don't think it's a great film by any stretch. Well I know that the real family was very upset with the movie, saying that the entire thing was fiction. Not that I care, just an FYI. And the Lipps family says it was not. It was literally written by his son. By the way, the real Lip played Carmine on the Sopranos.
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Post by fjenkins on Feb 26, 2019 22:38:42 GMT
Green Book was fine. It's fairly well made, enjoyable, and entertaining with two very good actors giving very good performances in the lead roles. But it's also an extremely lightweight take on seriously dramatic subject matter and is ultimately pretty ordinary. I think some of the blowback and criticism it's been getting is pretty overblown, but I don't think it's a great film by any stretch. You forgot to write "in my opinion" before your opinion. In my opinion it was great.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 26, 2019 22:41:37 GMT
Green Book was fine. It's fairly well made, enjoyable, and entertaining with two very good actors giving very good performances in the lead roles. But it's also an extremely lightweight take on seriously dramatic subject matter and is ultimately pretty ordinary. I think some of the blowback and criticism it's been getting is pretty overblown, but I don't think it's a great film by any stretch. You forgot to write "in my opinion" before your opinion. In my opinion it was great. Why would I waste the words on that phrase when anyone with a 2nd grade reading comprehension level knows the difference? |
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Post by fjenkins on Feb 26, 2019 22:42:48 GMT
The only nominees I've seen so far are Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody. I like them both. Green Book was probably the better film technically but I liked Rhapsody better, probably because I was always a big fan of Queen. I was glad to see Rami Malek win Best Actor. He was truly amazing. Watch the Live Aid scene in the film and then watch Queen's actual performance. Malek, actually the actors who played Brian May, John Deacon and Roger Taylor also, recreated the set perfectly. That must have taken a lot of practice. I just wished they had stuck to the actual events. Mercury didn't know he was HIV positive until well after Live Aid. We had a party for my parents wedding anniversary the day of Live Aid. We set up the party keeping the "grownups" outside and the "cooler" attendees inside to watch. My father came in right when Queen came on. He hated Rock. He sat and watched and asked "who the hell is this?". We waited for the snide comments, there were none. He asked "Who's the lead singer?" We told and he said "Damn, he knows how to entertain!" Two months later, I walked by his truck and there was a cassette of Queen'S Greatest Hits on the seat. I literally did what you said, watched the real live aid performance after we saw this in the theaters. I think there were a few liberties taken with teh story but I did like it too, I don't think it's an Oscar material but I like Malek from The Pacific. It's funny when your dad ends up liking some music you'd never ever think he'd like. My dad growing up was a Johnny Cash, Freddy Fender fan and stuff like that. I was at his house a few years ago and saw a Paul McCartney and Wings CD and about fainted.
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Post by fjenkins on Feb 26, 2019 22:43:24 GMT
You forgot to write "in my opinion" before your opinion. In my opinion it was great. Why would I waste the words on that phrase when anyone with a 2nd grade reading comprehension level knows the difference? You passed it off as fact, not as an opinion. Adding a stupid insult doesn't make it better.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 26, 2019 22:47:13 GMT
Why would I waste the words on that phrase when anyone with a 2nd grade reading comprehension level knows the difference? You passed it off as fact, not as an opinion. Adding a stupid insult doesn't make it better. Passed it off as fact? That makes absolutely no sense. If you know what the difference between an opinion and a fact are you don't need anyone to spell it out for you. |
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