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Post by Isapop on Mar 3, 2019 12:00:43 GMT
So you just ascribe this motivation for God, and when you can't support it from the Bible, then just try to ridicule the person who says you should do so. Tactics from a pathetic playbook.And ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE (something you don't think matters), without God's influence the earth became so filled with badness that God wiped virtually all of mankind out in a global flood. So, if any question like that was raised, it got answered way back then. And since then, the idea that God is letting man take his course without the benefit of his influence is again contradicted by the Bible. The OT is a virtual chronicle of God exerting his influence on man. Generations after causing a global flood, he confuses their languages. He selects a people to be the "chosen" ones, and gives them HIS laws. He performs literally scores of miracles that bring good things to his people and bad things to others. So this assertion of yours that God decided he needs to "prove his worthiness" to somebody or other by not exerting his influence on mankind is just what I called it - Bible fan fiction. Not only is it unsupported in scripture, but it is constantly contradicted by the numerous accounts of God putting his hand into events.
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Post by Vegas on Mar 3, 2019 12:17:49 GMT
And ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE (something you don't think matters) And you don't think matters... Yet, here we are discussion your crying about it... again. 1) Really?... All of man's potential without God was fully explored way back then?..... There have been no advances in anything since then? Nothing new? No other potential is possible after then?  2) Also... There was the bit about a Messiah comin' along... and that hadn't happened, yet, either. But... You think the apex of Humanity happened 6,000 years ago  .. So, I guess we're all just on borrowed time.  At no point did I ever say that God wouldn't/couldn't interfere or interact with humanity... especially to ensure the safety of the bloodline that was prophesized to produce said messiah. But... hey... As long as you're making up shit... Tell me again about how the potential of Man peaked in the Bronze age...
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Post by Isapop on Mar 3, 2019 12:52:15 GMT
And ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE (something you don't think matters) And you don't think matters... Yet, here we are discussion your crying about it... again. 1) Really?... All of man's potential without God was fully explored way back then?..... There have been no advances in anything since then? Nothing new? No other potential is possible after then? 2) Also... There was the bit about a Messiah comin' along... and that hadn't happened, yet, either. But... You think the apex of Humanity happened 6,000 years ago .. So, I guess we're all just on borrowed time. At no point did I ever say that God wouldn't/couldn't interfere or interact with humanity... especially to ensure the safety of the bloodline that was prophesized to produce said messiah. But... hey... As long as you're making up shit... Tell me again about how the potential of Man peaked in the Bronze age...
I never even implied that mankind reached it technical zenith back then. It is your notion that God, since Eden, decided to sit back and let man just do his thing without exerting his influence is a pure, unbiblical crock.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 3, 2019 13:38:18 GMT
Oh, I agree here! What is with all your laughing icons? Are you in sync with what I commented, or being derisive? Oh... Just pointing out irony that I thought I wouldn't have to point out a second time. If you have to ask "Are you laughing with me or at me?", the chances are.... What irony are you pointing out? Is it a misrepresentation of what I commented on. Give it time to digest. Sometimes, some things can be a bitter pill to swallow, especially when it is something one doesn't want to hear, but needs to hear.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 3, 2019 13:43:34 GMT
What do you mean by 'anyone else's inalienable rights'? The word refers to a natural right that cannot be revoked by an outside force. ... In the Declaration of Independence Thomas Jefferson (using the un- variant) wrote that all men are "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights" including "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” What are the unalienable rights according to the Declaration of Independence?Thomas Jefferson was the principal author of the Declaration of Independence. The Declaration states, “We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness….” So Jefferson was bringing it back to the notion of a religious God then as being the creator? Since this is very limiting and wishy washy, these unalienable rights are attributed to something bogus.
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Post by Vegas on Mar 3, 2019 13:54:18 GMT
I never even implied that mankind reached it technical zenith back then. It is your notion that God, since Eden, decided to sit back and let man just do his thing without exerting his influence is a pure, unbiblical crock. And I never even implied that God decided to sit back and let man just do his thing without ever exerting some influence... ever. The Bible has Him doing stuff in it... Mostly, to establish His right to be Universal Sovereign.. and to - already stated, ya illiterate illiterate - protect the Messianic bloodline. You did, however say "if any question like that was raised, it got answered way back then"... and I'm just pointing out to you that they really weren't... as Man has yet to achieve his highest potential for attempting to answer the question of whether or not we are better off without God.
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Post by Vegas on Mar 3, 2019 13:59:37 GMT
Oh... Just pointing out irony that I thought I wouldn't have to point out a second time. If you have to ask "Are you laughing with me or at me?", the chances are.... What irony are you pointing out? Is it a misrepresentation of what I commented on. Give it time to digest. Sometimes, some things can be a bitter pill to swallow, especially when it is something one doesn't want to hear, but needs to hear. If I point out the irony of this post, too....  Nevermind. You still won't get it.. and you'll make yet another ironic post that will cause an Irony Loop that will tear a hole in the fabric of time & space creating an Ironic Black Hole.. and we'll all get sucked in and die... ...or we'll get thrown into some Bizarro universe where you actually have a clue.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 3, 2019 14:11:59 GMT
What irony are you pointing out? Is it a misrepresentation of what I commented on. Give it time to digest. Sometimes, some things can be a bitter pill to swallow, especially when it is something one doesn't want to hear, but needs to hear. If I point out the irony of this post, too.... Nevermind. You still won't get it.. and you'll make yet another ironic post that will cause an Irony Loop that will tear a hole in the fabric of time & space creating an Ironic Black Hole.. and we'll all get sucked in and die... ...or we'll get thrown into some Bizarro universe where you actually have a clue. Yes, I know you don't have a clue and have nothing of note to offer. Now, perhaps if you just lay of the sauce. Hmmmmm! The mind just boggles at the potential and heights you could possibly attain, but I won't be holding by breath at anytime soon, and I doubt many others on here would either.
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Post by Vegas on Mar 3, 2019 14:20:07 GMT
If I point out the irony of this post, too.... Nevermind. You still won't get it.. and you'll make yet another ironic post that will cause an Irony Loop that will tear a hole in the fabric of time & space creating an Ironic Black Hole.. and we'll all get sucked in and die... ...or we'll get thrown into some Bizarro universe where you actually have a clue.
Awesome!! Another "Nuh-uh.. YOU!" post!! Sweet!... Every 100 of these I collect I get a free "Toasted Cheese is a dipshit" tee-shirt. I now have enough shirts for the little league team that I'm sponsoring. Thank God... You don't have that many braincells left to play games with... I can't imagine you getting even more dumber. I know.... "More dumber isn't proper English"
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Post by Isapop on Mar 3, 2019 14:24:39 GMT
I never even implied that mankind reached it technical zenith back then. It is your notion that God, since Eden, decided to sit back and let man just do his thing without exerting his influence is a pure, unbiblical crock.And I never even implied that God decided to sit back and let man just do his thing without ever exerting some influence... ever. The Bible has Him doing stuff in it... Mostly, to establish His right to be Universal Sovereign.. and to - already stated, ya illiterate illiterate - protect the Messianic bloodline. You did, however say "if any question like that was raised, it got answered way back then"... and I'm just pointing out to you that they really weren't... as Man has yet to achieve his highest potential for attempting to answer the question of whether or not we are better off without God. Genesis 11:1-9 proves you wrong. God is NOT determined to see that man is left alone to reach his potential. God actually expresses alarm that man might do so: v6 " The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them." And then God takes action to permanently cripple man's future attempts at progress: "7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” 8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth."
Go ahead and stick with your "God allows evil because since Eden he has been practicing a 'hands off' policy towards man to prove (to somebody?) that his way is best." Just don't pretend the Bible actually gives any support to that.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 3, 2019 14:25:17 GMT
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Post by Vegas on Mar 3, 2019 14:46:03 GMT
I know.... "More dumber isn't proper English" If you give us something else to work with, that will give you some credence regarding whatever your notions or point is about what God is, then perhaps a decent conversation might ensue. Says the guy who thinks "Oh, the irony, coming from the biggest chimp on the board, chump!" is witty enough to have 17 s... At what point did I say that I didn't understand the concept?  It's just not that good of a theory... other than it makes for a good motivational poster... Maybe you should high-light it with a picture of a kitten hanging from a tree branch. 
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Post by Vegas on Mar 3, 2019 14:53:25 GMT
Genesis 11:1-9 proves you wrong. God is NOT determined to see that man is left alone to reach his potential. God actually expresses alarm that man might do so: v6 " The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them." And then God takes action to permanently cripple man's future attempts at progress: "7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” 8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth."
Go ahead and stick with your "God allows evil because since Eden he has been practicing a 'hands off' policy towards man to prove (to somebody?) that his way is best." Just don't pretend the Bible actually gives any support to that.
AT THE TIME OF BABEL... MAN WAS IGNORING GOD'S COMMAND TO SPREAD OVER THE ENTIRE EARTH... They were just "collecting" in Babel... God acted to ensure that Man would spread out. ONCE AGAIN - I NEVER SAID THAT GOD WOULDN'T ACT TO FURTHER HIS PURPOSE OR THE STORY. Jesus Christ, you want to keep having these discussions LEARN HOW TO READ, dipshit... Having to repeat the same thing over and over to you as you furrow your brow in some vain attempt to understand gets a little boring.
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Post by Isapop on Mar 3, 2019 15:16:11 GMT
Genesis 11:1-9 proves you wrong. God is NOT determined to see that man is left alone to reach his potential. God actually expresses alarm that man might do so: v6 " The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them." And then God takes action to permanently cripple man's future attempts at progress: "7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” 8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth."
Go ahead and stick with your "God allows evil because since Eden he has been practicing a 'hands off' policy towards man to prove (to somebody?) that his way is best." Just don't pretend the Bible actually gives any support to that.
AT THE TIME OF BABEL... MAN WAS IGNORING GOD'S COMMAND TO SPREAD OVER THE ENTIRE EARTH... They were just "collecting" in Babel... God acted to ensure that Man would spread out. Jesus Christ, you want to keep having these discussions LEARN HOW TO READ, dipshit... Having to repeat the same thing over and over to you as you furrow your brow in some vain attempt to understand gets a little boring. There you go again, just ignoring what the Bible actually SAYS in favor of your own version of events. (And then pathetically claiming that I'M the one who needs to learn to read.) You SAID that, since Eden God wouldn't exert "His control/influence" on man - a ridiculous assertion, given the massive amount of contrary accounts in the Bible, and also given your failure to cite even one scripture telling us that God ever recognized any obligation to NOT use his influence. (Along with your other unsupported claim that "a lot of theologians kinda know this already.")
So go ahead and unleash another volley of name calling in your transparent attempt to cover your lack of any support to your assertions.
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Post by Vegas on Mar 3, 2019 15:24:19 GMT
AT THE TIME OF BABEL... MAN WAS IGNORING GOD'S COMMAND TO SPREAD OVER THE ENTIRE EARTH... They were just "collecting" in Babel... God acted to ensure that Man would spread out. Jesus Christ, you want to keep having these discussions LEARN HOW TO READ, dipshit... Having to repeat the same thing over and over to you as you furrow your brow in some vain attempt to understand gets a little boring. There you go again, just ignoring what the Bible actually SAYS in favor of your own version of events. (And then pathetically claiming that I'M the one who needs to learn to read.) Okay.. What exactly do you think I'm ignoring? I think I know.. But, I'll wait to hear from you first.. I NEVER SAID THAT GOD WOULDN'T ACT TO FURTHER HIS PURPOSE OR THE STORY. Even if I had worded that wrongly enough to make you think that I meant that God would NEVER EVER EVER act to fulfill His purpose and advance the story... When I meant that He could/would... (THE BIBLE HAS HIM DOING SHIT... HOW COULD YOU EVER BE SO FUCKING STUPID THAT YOU'D THINK THAT I WAS IGNORING ALL OF THOSE ACTIONS IS MIND BOGGLING)... I have clarified it enough to the point that you still not understanding it is even more mind boggling and can only be explained by some form of mental retardation.. or maybe, perhaps, a stroke.
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Post by Vegas on Mar 3, 2019 15:35:49 GMT
There you go again, just ignoring what the Bible actually SAYS in favor of your own version of events. (And then pathetically claiming that I'M the one who needs to learn to read.) Fuck it. I'm not gonna wait. Because you do need to learn how to read.  You're referring to verse 6. Verse 6 is not God expressing fear that with one language man is going to have the ability to do what they imagine.. like sharks with lasers on their heads... It's a direct statement of them building the tower that they have planned... y'know.. the thing that was mentioned in the previous verse? The point was to stop them from building the city... and have them "scatter over the face of the earth"... NOT TO STOP MAN FROM ACHIEVING THE IMPOSSIBLE.
edit: or his dreams or achieving his full potential. Yes, nummnuts... LEARN HOW TO READ.
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Post by thefleetsin on Mar 3, 2019 15:40:39 GMT
four whores and seven beers ago
with the current number of lawyers
hoovering around
one million seven hundred thousand
here in
the united states of hysteria
is it any wonder
why
america the beautiful
comes out
sounding like
sue the bastards
with
each and every chorus.
sjw 03/03/19 inspired at this very moment in time by are you lookin' at me.
from the 'binge series' of poems
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Post by movieliker on Mar 3, 2019 18:06:02 GMT
Same here. Although I do believe in God, I too uphold everyone's right to believe whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt me or anybody else's inalienable rights.If one is going to steadfastly hold onto ones beliefs that are unproven, lack open logic and common sense reasoning, they are going to get protested and denied. That is anybody's right to do this too, regardless of what you believe. Religions have caused much harm throughout the ages and that is why they get challenged and denied. The moral code is up for contention.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 3, 2019 18:07:30 GMT
God decided He wanted those people who get into Heaven to prove themselves worthy. Since you have already asserted that one cannot know these things I don't know why you keep making religious assertions. I know what I think and believe. And I know what I was taught. And I know what other believers believe. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Mar 3, 2019 18:22:46 GMT
Since you have already asserted that one cannot know these things I don't know why you keep making religious assertions. I know what I think and believe. And I know what I was taught. And I know what other believers believe. Knowing what you think is unfortunately not the same as thinking you know, at least enough to make definite assertions as you have been doing here. Which would be the point really, arguments from authority and popularity notwithstanding.
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