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Post by FilmFlaneur on Mar 3, 2019 1:32:17 GMT
Given that you have, just earlier, on this thread told me that 'nobody KNOWS anything when it comes to God or religion' then any such test is moot. But then when you say 'nobody has to suffer. Its a test' it sounds definite and much more than you 'just choosing what to believe'. You can see how confusion might arise with those seeking consistency. Absolutely. It is confusing. Choosing to believe in God was never meant to be easy. It's a test. There you go again. Making definite statements about supposed tests while, at the same time, telling us that one cannot know anything for sure. If one does not know anything about these things then it is equally possible that choosing to believe in God was meant to be easy and not a test at all. In fact I can think of no scripture which says acquiring belief in God is to be made necessarily hard (the travails more likely occur when the faithful are persecuted for their faith once established and that is, they are told, to be expected). As the credulous show all the time in fact, belief in a deliberate supernatural of one's preference can often be just too easy..
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 3, 2019 1:32:53 GMT
Real for whom?
Anybody capable of accepting reality. Whose reality? Yours or mine?
God is not a supreme being and separate from what theist believe. The only creator is you.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 3, 2019 1:33:46 GMT
Anybody capable of accepting reality. Whose reality? Yours or mine?
God is not a supreme being and separate from what theist believe. The only creator is you.
That is your belief. And just like mine, it is very real. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Mar 3, 2019 1:33:58 GMT
Atheism is just an ideal as well and contains the notion of theist belief, in order to refute it.
To do nothing in regards to a theist belief is too much of an abstract to comprehend, and is meaningless. It is all nothing and everything, regardless of belief. It doesn't matter what one believes, because the belief itself isn't real.
I disagree. Belief is absolutely real. You are correct. Its abstract. But real none the less. If you are looking for proof God exists, you are wasting your time. There is no proof. That would be easy. Faith is hard. Its a test. 'Where there is evidence, no one speaks of faith' is a better way of expressing this.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 3, 2019 1:34:45 GMT
Whose reality? Yours or mine?
God is not a supreme being and separate from what theist believe. The only creator is you.
That is your belief. And just like mine, it is very real. How do you know my belief is real? That is very conceited and presumptuous of you.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 3, 2019 1:35:58 GMT
That is your belief. And just like mine, it is very real. How do you know my belief is real? That is very conceited and presumptuous of you. Because you "really" just expressed it. Why? You don't believe what you just said? |
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Post by goz on Mar 3, 2019 1:37:48 GMT
Atheism is just an ideal as well and contains the notion of theist belief, in order to refute it.
To do nothing in regards to a theist belief is too much of an abstract to comprehend, and is meaningless. It is all nothing and everything, regardless of belief. It doesn't matter what one believes, because the belief itself isn't real.
I disagree. Belief is absolutely real. You are correct. Its abstract. But real none the less. If you are looking for proof God exists, you are wasting your time. There is no proof. That would be easy. Faith is hard. Its a test. Why is a 'test' necessary?
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Post by movieliker on Mar 3, 2019 1:45:08 GMT
I disagree. Belief is absolutely real. You are correct. Its abstract. But real none the less. If you are looking for proof God exists, you are wasting your time. There is no proof. That would be easy. Faith is hard. Its a test. Why is a 'test' necessary? God decided He wanted those people who get into Heaven to prove themselves worthy. |
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Post by goz on Mar 3, 2019 1:51:11 GMT
Why is a 'test' necessary? God decided He wanted those people who get into Heaven to prove themselves worthy. Why? That is discriminatory.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 3, 2019 1:55:14 GMT
God decided He wanted those people who get into Heaven to prove themselves worthy. Why? That is discriminatory. Of course. I discriminate between good and bad. Its impossible to be competent if you are not a discriminating thinker. |
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Post by goz on Mar 3, 2019 2:30:17 GMT
Why? That is discriminatory. Of course. I discriminate between good and bad. Its impossible to be competent if you are not a discriminating thinker. If you are a 'discriminating thinker' you would realise that people are never ALL bad or ALL good.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 3, 2019 2:34:46 GMT
Yes, it is somewhat, but that's the lay of the land, and nothing can be done about it. How about not following either, that is what can be done about it. That is also a lay of the land. You're going to gravitate toward one or the other. |
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Post by movieliker on Mar 3, 2019 2:34:50 GMT
Of course. I discriminate between good and bad. Its impossible to be competent if you are not a discriminating thinker. If you are a 'discriminating thinker' you would realise that people are never ALL bad or ALL good. That's the difference between "Absolute Thought" and "Relative Thought". Absolute Thought is usually somewhere between simple minded and just plain stupid. By definition, God is neither. |
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Post by goz on Mar 3, 2019 2:45:30 GMT
If you are a 'discriminating thinker' you would realise that people are never ALL bad or ALL good. That's the difference between "Absolute Thought" and "Relative Thought". Absolute Thought is usually somewhere between simple minded and just plain stupid. By definition, God is neither. Great. Do you therefore believe in 'Absolute' morality? ie ...as opposed to 'Relative' morality? somewhere between simple minded and just plain stupid.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 3, 2019 2:49:03 GMT
That's the difference between "Absolute Thought" and "Relative Thought". Absolute Thought is usually somewhere between simple minded and just plain stupid. By definition, God is neither. Great. Do you therefore believe in 'Absolute' morality? ie ...as opposed to 'Relative' morality? somewhere between simple minded and just plain stupid. No. That would be absolutely stupid. |
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Post by goz on Mar 3, 2019 2:50:22 GMT
Great. Do you therefore believe in 'Absolute' morality? ie ...as opposed to 'Relative' morality? somewhere between simple minded and just plain stupid.No. That would be absolutely stupid. Great.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 3, 2019 2:57:08 GMT
No. That would be absolutely stupid. Great. There is no way for me to tell if you are being agreeable. Or sarcastic. |
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Post by goz on Mar 3, 2019 3:05:36 GMT
There is no way for me to tell if you are being agreeable. Or sarcastic. No. I can be both, depending on the circumstances.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 3, 2019 3:08:51 GMT
There is no way for me to tell if you are being agreeable. Or sarcastic. No. I can be both, depending on the circumstances. Now you are being difficult and evasive. |
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Post by goz on Mar 3, 2019 4:29:02 GMT
No. I can be both, depending on the circumstances. Now you are being difficult and evasive. Cut the crap. What do you want to know?
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