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Post by Feologild Oakes on Feb 27, 2019 9:23:19 GMT
RT is protecting Captain Marvel and punishing Alita Battle Angel. They are blocking reviews written for Alita from audiences since Monday. Its kind of strange how critics and the media hates on Alita: Battle Angel. I mean here you have a strong female character and they hate it. You think they love another strong female character. I think one reason the audience seem to love Alita: Battle angel is because it was not used as a political platform it was just a good movie with a great female character. Well i guess the correct term is a great female cyborg character.
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Post by Caesium137 on Feb 27, 2019 9:40:01 GMT
Either way there is too much importance being gifted to Rotten tomatoes in the modern age. For good or bad they have become the government figure of movies and hold too much power now, even to casuals.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 27, 2019 9:42:08 GMT
iron man 3 was one of the first controversies marvel suffered with critics own credibility.
the movie was exposed beyond a scam, the story fell apart by the second arc and the mandarin twist brought down the entire film. iron man 3 was worse than X3 and would have been in the 50s on rt. if it was a fox, dc or sony film. like it or not, it is fact.
infact man of steel was a better effort than iron man 3. the wolverine was better than iron man 3 but in 2013 iron man 3 still had the highest rt score for a comic film. why? because it is an mcu movie.
fans and sane audiences expected critics to have held the movie more responsible and slammed the mandarin twist even harder than how X3 handle dark phoenix because it was handled far worse. but many critics chose not to do so.
this is just laughable, it will only get funnier when some mcu fans will still bring up rt in the future to prove mcu movies are good,
hey, look. rt is on full damage control.
Rotten Tomatoes president: We didn't change site to protect Captain Marvel
Only MCU fans will believe this lie.
um, yeah you do.
1. For all its Mandarin controversies, 'Iron Man 3' was still more consistent film than any of those you've mentioned, maybe aside from 'The Wolverine'. 2. These trolls have been attack unreleased films 4 times starting with 'Black Panther' with one of them having no reason to be attacked in such manner in the first place and another one being 10 months away from release. man of steel was more consistent hate or love it at least from the first arc or scene in the film you knew the direction. it a better made movie than iron man 3 with better writing to iron man 3.
people who want a movie to be judged on its own merit are not trolls. disney and the media are blurring this line to protect movies like black panther and captain marvel from any criticism other movies do get.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Feb 27, 2019 9:49:01 GMT
1. For all its Mandarin controversies, 'Iron Man 3' was still more consistent film than any of those you've mentioned, maybe aside from 'The Wolverine'. 2. These trolls have been attack unreleased films 4 times starting with 'Black Panther' with one of them having no reason to be attacked in such manner in the first place and another one being 10 months away from release. man of steel was more consistent hate or love it at least from the first arc or scene in the film you knew the direction. it a better made movie than iron man 3 with better writing to iron man 3.
people who want a movie to be judged on its own merit are not trolls. disney and the media are blurring this line to protect movies like black panther and captain marvel from any criticism other movies do get.
Man of Steel better writing than Iron Man 3?  "So, we're done measuring dicks?" "I WILL FIND HIM!!!!!" "I just think he's kind of hot." 
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Post by summers8 on Feb 27, 2019 9:51:26 GMT
Either way there is too much importance being gifted to Rotten tomatoes in the modern age. For good or bad they have become the government figure of movies and hold too much power now, even to casuals. I disagree. RT only became a thing after mcu movies. the site has been around since the 90s and no one cared.
I have been around since the first xmen, spiderman, harry potter, batman reboot 2005, lord of the rings films even hellboy films.
not many people cared about what scores this movies had on rotten tomatoes. you knew what made them good or bad. eg. why does X3 kind of suck to X2? X3 has poor story telling and focused more on action scenes. X2 is a compelling movie with action scenes only being there to support the strong screenplay the movie had.
Ask most mcu fans why age of ultorn is the worst avengers movie. they will give you rt numbers.
MCU fans and the media made RT a thing and now the site has been exposed for what it is.
I think it was a great strategy for MCU, to make people ignore the story telling or artistic merit of a movie and just focus on % mark that tells you nothing in depth. only it usually blows up in their faces although not as bad as captain marvel or maybe black panther did last year and beleive me, I care about diversity but not at the expense of overriding the true merit of a movie.
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Post by Caesium137 on Feb 27, 2019 10:21:39 GMT
Either way there is too much importance being gifted to Rotten tomatoes in the modern age. For good or bad they have become the government figure of movies and hold too much power now, even to casuals. I disagree. RT only became a thing after mcu movies. the site has been around since the 90s and no one cared.
I have been around since the first xmen, spiderman, harry potter, batman reboot 2005, lord of the rings films even hellboy films.
not many people cared about what scores this movies had on rotten tomatoes. you knew what made them good or bad. eg. why does X3 kind of suck to X2? X3 has poor story telling and focused more on action scenes. X2 is a compelling movie with action scenes only being there to support the strong screenplay the movie had.
Ask most mcu fans why age of ultorn is the worst avengers movie. they will give you rt numbers.
MCU fans and the media made RT a thing and now the site has been exposed for what it is. I think it was a great strategy for MCU, to make people ignore the story telling or artistic merit of a movie and just focus on % mark that tells you nothing in depth. only it usually blows up in their faces although not as bad as captain marvel or maybe black panther did last year and beleive me, I care about diversity but not at the expense of overriding the true merit of a movie.
Well thats what I was getting at, in the modern age as in the start of this decade the critical consensus on RT has been growing importance almosto the lengths of diety worship. Previous to around 2010 I agree that there was ambivalent feelings towards the website. Whether this has anything to do with Disney or the explosion of superhero movies I'm not so sure but there is a noticable overlap of when big blockbuster movies started breaking box office records like the Avengers and Star Wsrs TFA to the sudden rise in the quotations of citing rotten tomatoe scores.
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 27, 2019 10:37:54 GMT
Well, these idiots started to attack a film that is 10 months away from its release, so RottenTomatoes probably had enough. Also, RottenTomatoes is owned by Warner Brothers and Universal, so they're not obliged to protect Disney. The ‘want to see’ feature was abandoned for CM. That is not relevant to a release date. In fact it is more applicable to films that have yet to be released.
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Post by redpyramidthing on Feb 27, 2019 11:50:56 GMT
I don't want to get political, but these toxic manchildren have to be conservatards / Trump supporters filled with testosterone and anti feminist. And yet you got political anyway...
I'll reply to you, but it's just coincidental
Basically you people are saying that Brie Larson has any right to speak her mind (which she has), but anybody else who dares to object to her politics or doesen't share her views is a troll at best or a Trump supporter at worst, because... orange man bad. Way to go. Congrats.
This is socialist hive-mind thinking. Last time that I checked people do have the right to disagree with other people's ideas. I know that some of you can't handle the criticism toward your beloved MCU, but that's life for you isn'it?
I strongly dislike certain users on these boads that constantly spew hate and write the same things over and over and over in a loop, but you guys fanatically deaf to any criticism directed at the MCU, Disney or the actors are just as bad. If not a little worse.
Brie Larson did say a lot of stupid things. Granted, some of them have been taken out of their context, but they were stupid nonetheless. She's also a bad actress (I did express my doubts about her in the past way before any of this nonsense started, so I'm teflon) and based on her past performances in Kong and Free Fire, I happily assume that she was the wrong choice to play a superhero. Am I a troll? In your mind probably yes because I don't bow to the narrative that wahmen are beyond any kind of reproach, girl power and feminism/good men/bad.
Rotten Tomatoes just asked a question: are you interested in seeing Captain Marvel? Yes because or no because. That's it. Are you people so thin skinned that you need everybody else in the world to share your passions? Are you? It hink so, because as soon as anybody goes against your dogma you start to lose you shit and cry troll here, troll there, orange man bad etc.
Lastly, you're against testosterone as well? Congrats, you've been succesfully neutered. Testosterone is what makes you as a male healthy both mentally and physically. Stop hating yourself you are being manipulated. And when feminists hate men, want to get rid of them and all they do is to create an even greater divide between the TWO genders, yes being anti feminist is the healthy thing to do.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Feb 27, 2019 13:20:28 GMT
I have to ask why every time rotten tomatoes find themselves in one controversy or another why is it always about a disney movie.
last jedi black panther iron man 3 captain marvel
MCU fans you should have listened to Martin Scorsese 2 years ago when he said the site is bullshit and people need to care more about the content of what makes a good movie or not?
look at RT changing their entire system to make sure Capitan marvel does not bomb. the media going that far to protect an MCU movie?
people have said there is a bias to the MCU for years and this more than proofs it.RT has lost all credibility.
Yes, they lost all credibility because they got allow people who haven't seen a movie to use their platform to try and hamstring the movie because their wittle feewings were hurt.
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 27, 2019 13:33:28 GMT
^^^This. I've yet to actually see any of the Brie Larson/Captain Marvel haters not be so form of a snarky, whioly, phony outrage filled douchebag, toxic manbaby I don't want to get political, but these toxic manchildren have to be conservatards / Trump supporters filled with testosterone and anti feminist. But you did and you are way off.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 27, 2019 14:07:57 GMT
I don't want to get political, but these toxic manchildren have to be conservatards / Trump supporters filled with testosterone and anti feminist. And yet you got political anyway...
I'll reply to you, but it's just coincidental
Basically you people are saying that Brie Larson has any right to speak her mind (which she has), but anybody else who dares to object to her politics or doesen't share her views is a troll at best or a Trump supporter at worst, because... orange man bad. Way to go. Congrats.
This is socialist hive-mind thinking. Last time that I checked people do have the right to disagree with other people's ideas. I know that some of you can't handle the criticism toward your beloved MCU, but that's life for you isn'it?
I strongly dislike certain users on these boads that constantly spew hate and write the same things over and over and over in a loop, but you guys fanatically deaf to any criticism directed at the MCU, Disney or the actors are just as bad. If not a little worse.
Brie Larson did say a lot of stupid things. Granted, some of them have been taken out of their context, but they were stupid nonetheless. She's also a bad actress (I did express my doubts about her in the past way before any of this nonsense started, so I'm teflon) and based on her past performances in Kong and Free Fire, I happily assume that she was the wrong choice to play a superhero. Am I a troll? In your mind probably yes because I don't bow to the narrative that wahmen are beyond any kind of reproach, girl power and feminism/good men/bad.
Rotten Tomatoes just asked a question: are you interested in seeing Captain Marvel? Yes because or no because. That's it. Are you people so thin skinned that you need everybody else in the world to share your passions? Are you? It hink so, because as soon as anybody goes against your dogma you start to lose you shit and cry troll here, troll there, orange man bad etc.
Lastly, you're against testosterone as well? Congrats, you've been succesfully neutered. Testosterone is what makes you as a male healthy both mentally and physically. Stop hating yourself you are being manipulated. And when feminists hate men, want to get rid of them and all they do is to create an even greater divide between the TWO genders, yes being anti feminist is the healthy thing to do.
I agree with everything you said up until this point. I respectfully disagree that an "anti-feminist" stance is "healthy" but rather a misunderstanding of what feminism means, which is simply equality between the sexes. I think we can all agree that equality where possible should be the goal; there's some things men or women are biologically predisposed to doing at different levels, of course. Where people seem to go wrong, and this includes Larson, is in the application/pursuit of these principles in an exclusionary way. There's no reason that, to bring in some new and diverse voices about movies, half the ("white") guys who have worked hard to establish careers as paid reviewers should be unceremoniously forced into early retirement. The snag here is the blatant hypocrisy of someone who's simply not very intellectually sophisticated but is prolly well-meaning about tryna use her "platform" for what she perceives is a good and necessary cause. But here's the problem: she is an extremely mediocre "talent" taken seriously by almost nobody anywhere punching way above her intellectual weight in way that's flat-out fucking embarrassing, anti-feminist, fucking stupid, and hurting the cause(s) she claims to support. Saying she "doesn't need to hear" someone's opinion about her shitty failed popcorn flick, A Wrinkle in Time, because of their gender, race, or age? Look, all kidding -- all "Colden"-ing -- aside, I'm a fucking Bernie Sanders supporter and flaming liberal, not some incel MRA troll douchebag, and let me tell you: that shit is racist and ageist and sexist. I don't care what group, age, or race she's disqualifying solely on those grounds. And it's not a matter of context, as I've read the entire transcript. Reducing "feminism," a serious issue if there ever were one, to some horseshit clickbait flashpoint to fight about with respect to MCU movies totally undermines her cause, and the fact that she so obliviously refers to her shitty acting credits as her "work" betrays a ridiculous sense of self-importance totally unwarranted here: she's a smug, crappy Hollywood actress acting in blockbuster McFilms! It's not like she's some Artiste with the crushing burden of an intellectual vision; it's not like she actually created anything herself or has any original ideas, or that she can even articulate well and inoffensively the basic tenets of feminism. She's essentially the equivalent of a corporate spokesperson, no more qualified to talk about gender equality than the nice person handing me a little piece of sausage on a stick at Sam's Club in hopes that I'll buy some -- and probably less so. So I say all that to say: don't shit on feminism as a basic concept just because nobody bothered to sit Brie Larson down and tell her what it actually means. ETA: So "when" feminism means excluding people and "hating men"? That's not feminism. That's... something else.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 27, 2019 14:08:05 GMT
I have to ask why every time rotten tomatoes find themselves in one controversy or another why is it always about a disney movie.
last jedi black panther iron man 3 captain marvel
MCU fans you should have listened to Martin Scorsese 2 years ago when he said the site is bullshit and people need to care more about the content of what makes a good movie or not?
look at RT changing their entire system to make sure Capitan marvel does not bomb. the media going that far to protect an MCU movie?
people have said there is a bias to the MCU for years and this more than proofs it.RT has lost all credibility.
Yes, they lost all credibility because they got allow people who haven't seen a movie to use their platform to try and hamstring the movie because their wittle feewings were hurt. and the media and mcu fans keep lying.
it was not reviews, it was about interest. the media and mcu disney shill keep spining the shit that it was about reviews.
this dude exposes the truth, this gets more pathetic.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Feb 27, 2019 15:20:38 GMT
I don't want to get political, but these toxic manchildren have to be conservatards / Trump supporters filled with testosterone and anti feminist. But you did and you are way off. I don't think they are way off but it seems implausible that they'd all be "Trump supporters". It actually seems pretty discriminatory to assume that which is ironic.
I'm Liberal and I certainly don't assume we're all holier than thou and have some kind of crowning achievement in human behavior. I'm an equal opportunist. I believe no matter what race, sex, religion, or political leaning, we all have the ability to be truly awful people.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 27, 2019 15:41:33 GMT
Okay...first off, it's not always over a Disney movie. So you're wrong right off the bat. Did people really forget already that Rotten Tomatoes has worked to throw the DCEU a bone multiple times between BVS, SS, and Justice League? Even delaying the RT score for Justice League just a few more extra days right up to when it was released? Just to promote some stupid web series on top that. Or have I missed the news and Disney finally bought DC comics?
Second, are people stupid enough to think that Rotten Tomatoes which is a private company with its rules and user terms of service was gonna let people run rampant like that. And not retaliate? It's like with any other website, like good ol' IMDb classic and we all recall what happened there in the end.
It's because of toxic fandoms that movie news and review websites are going down the shitter.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 27, 2019 15:56:35 GMT
Okay...first off, it's not always over a Disney movie. So you're wrong right off the bat. Did people really forget already that Rotten Tomatoes has worked to throw the DCEU a bone multiple times between BVS, SS, and Justice League? Even delaying the RT score for Justice League just a few more extra days right up to when it was released? Just to promote some stupid web series on top that. Or have I missed the news and Disney finally bought DC comics?
Second, are people stupid enough to think that Rotten Tomatoes which is a private company with its rules and user terms of service was gonna let people run rampant like that. And not retaliate? It's like with any other website, like good ol' IMDb classic and we all recall what happened there in the end.
It's because of toxic fandoms that movie news and review websites are going down the shitter.
Blah. This sort of gross oversimplification strikes me as beneath someone as broad-minded as yourself, even if it's the largest contributing factor. And while you're right about the sites being private and not obligated to afford their customers First Amendment rights, doing so and silencing consumers' ability to share their opinions about a corporate product is absolutely the definition of censorship and not a thing to be praised on the technicality that they're a private business; that distinction doesn't absolve them of the moral ramifications of their actions, just the legal ones. So addressing the latter doesn't mean you've successfully argued the former. You know? ETA: er -- "innit"?
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Post by politicidal on Feb 27, 2019 16:05:11 GMT
Okay...first off, it's not always over a Disney movie. So you're wrong right off the bat. Did people really forget already that Rotten Tomatoes has worked to throw the DCEU a bone multiple times between BVS, SS, and Justice League? Even delaying the RT score for Justice League just a few more extra days right up to when it was released? Just to promote some stupid web series on top that. Or have I missed the news and Disney finally bought DC comics?
Second, are people stupid enough to think that Rotten Tomatoes which is a private company with its rules and user terms of service was gonna let people run rampant like that. And not retaliate? It's like with any other website, like good ol' IMDb classic and we all recall what happened there in the end.
It's because of toxic fandoms that movie news and review websites are going down the shitter.
Blah. This sort of gross oversimplification strikes me as beneath someone as broad-minded as yourself, even if it's the largest contributing factor. And while you're right about the sites being private and not obligated to afford their customers First Amendment rights, doing so and silencing consumers' ability to share their opinions about a corporate product is absolutely the definition of censorship and not a thing to be praised on the technicality that they're a private business; that distinction doesn't absolve them of the moral ramifications of their actions, just the legal ones. So addressing the latter doesn't mean you've successfully argued the former. You know? ETA: er -- "innit"? Thanks Atticus Finch.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Feb 27, 2019 16:14:03 GMT
I don't mind people saying whatever they want to about a movie. They have that right. My only problem with it is the irrelevancy. They weren't reviewing the film or even talking about anything in the trailer that disinterested them. They were talking about Brie Larson's comments and SJWs. It just seems like there are so many places to talk about that.. why go to a movie review site?
What kind of person just wants to destroy something just because they don't like someone invovled? It's not like Brie Larson is a pedophile or rapist. It just seems like a serious overreaction.
It'd be like people trying to cause the Mission Impossible franchise to fail because they don't like Scientology. I am aware however that that's not a perfect example because Tom Cruise doesn't use his films as a platform to push a Scientologist agenda on people, but his success certainly contributes to that religion's success. Emma Watson might be a better example with her HeForShe program which she most certainly has used her fame to bring attention to yet nobody seemed to huff and puff over Beauty and the Beast.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 27, 2019 16:24:10 GMT
Blah. This sort of gross oversimplification strikes me as beneath someone as broad-minded as yourself, even if it's the largest contributing factor. And while you're right about the sites being private and not obligated to afford their customers First Amendment rights, doing so and silencing consumers' ability to share their opinions about a corporate product is absolutely the definition of censorship and not a thing to be praised on the technicality that they're a private business; that distinction doesn't absolve them of the moral ramifications of their actions, just the legal ones. So addressing the latter doesn't mean you've successfully argued the former. You know? ETA: er -- "innit"? Thanks Atticus Finch. Alright, alright: So basically something something McMarvel D-listers!!!!1 Better?
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Feb 27, 2019 16:25:18 GMT
I don't mind people saying whatever they want to about a movie. They have that right. My only problem with it is the irrelevancy. They weren't reviewing the film or even talking about anything in the trailer that disinterested them. They were talking about Brie Larson's comments and SJWs. It just seems like there are so many places to talk about that.. why go to a movie review site? What kind of person just wants to destroy something just because they don't like someone invovled? It's not like Brie Larson is a pedophile or rapist. It just seems like a serious overreaction. It'd be like people trying to cause the Mission Impossible franchise to fail because they don't like Scientology. I am aware however that that's not a perfect example because Tom Cruise doesn't use his films as a platform to push a Scientologist agenda on people, but his success certainly contributes to that religion's success. Emma Watson might be a better example with her HeForShe program which she most certainly has used her fame to bring attention to yet nobody seemed to huff and puff over Beauty and the Beast. 
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Post by cricket on Feb 27, 2019 16:26:51 GMT
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