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Post by darkpast on Feb 28, 2019 4:16:07 GMT
I love seeing all these triggered snowflake MRAs who can't do anything but whine about a movie that will be successful regardless. reminds of lamestream critics getting upset of success of Bohemian Rhapsody and Green Book, what a miserable group
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Post by summers8 on Feb 28, 2019 6:19:35 GMT
MCU fans just trying to insult me personally, they cant handle the topic. so pathetic.
Deal with it marvel has been exposed.
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Post by sostie on Feb 28, 2019 9:05:05 GMT
are people stupid enough to think that Rotten Tomatoes which is a private company with its rules and user terms of service was gonna let people run rampant like that. How did people run rampant? RT put 2 buttons on each movie site - Want to See and Don't Want to See. Most people voted Don't Want to See. That's not running rampant or trolling. RT removed the buttons simply because Disney didn't like the poll results. It's similar to Ted Wells' investigation into Tom Brady's cheating in DeflateGate. When Wells was hired as the independent investigator, Patriots' owner Robert Kraft himself praised Wells for his integrity. Then when Wells came back with his findings that Brady was guilty of cheating, Kraft and the Patriots attacked Wells' integrity. But it wasn't because they thought Wells lacked integrity. It was because they simply didn't like the findings that Wells came back with so they attacked Wells for that. RT knows those results are accurate and not trolling. RT simply doesn't like those results so RT removed the buttons and called it trolling to try to protect Captain Marvel. Still trying to work out how Disney managed this. The company is owned by two rival companies. The CEO of one of those companies hates he CEO of Disney. The news reports always linking RT to these trolling events hurts RT's rep. Lowering of ratings in advance of a release could hurt revenue for Fandango who own RT. With all those points you still want to believe this is Disney's doing. Maybe I can present this in the form of a shitty analogy..you are qite partial to them. A man presents a picture of a unicorn... despite that man owning a herd of horses and a plastic unicorn horn manufacturing business, you insist unicorns exist. Because you like unicorns
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Post by summers8 on Feb 28, 2019 10:10:05 GMT
How did people run rampant? RT put 2 buttons on each movie site - Want to See and Don't Want to See. Most people voted Don't Want to See. That's not running rampant or trolling. RT removed the buttons simply because Disney didn't like the poll results. It's similar to Ted Wells' investigation into Tom Brady's cheating in DeflateGate. When Wells was hired as the independent investigator, Patriots' owner Robert Kraft himself praised Wells for his integrity. Then when Wells came back with his findings that Brady was guilty of cheating, Kraft and the Patriots attacked Wells' integrity. But it wasn't because they thought Wells lacked integrity. It was because they simply didn't like the findings that Wells came back with so they attacked Wells for that. RT knows those results are accurate and not trolling. RT simply doesn't like those results so RT removed the buttons and called it trolling to try to protect Captain Marvel. Still trying to work out how Disney managed this. The company is owned by two rival companies. The CEO of one of those companies hates he CEO of Disney. The news reports always linking RT to these trolling events hurts RT's rep. Lowering of ratings in advance of a release could hurt revenue for Fandango who own RT. With all those points you still want to believe this is Disney's doing. Maybe I can present this in the form of a shitty analogy..you are qite partial to them. A man presents a picture of a unicorn... despite that man owning a herd of horses and a plastic unicorn horn manufacturing business, you insist unicorns exist. Because you like unicorns ng. it is not disney influencing rt directly. it is disney influences critics and the media that amounts to RT scores.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 28, 2019 11:15:03 GMT
disney shilling exposed in the full extent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 0:49:08 GMT
Welcome to my world, or at least part of it. Nothing about Marvel or the MCU is the straw that broke the camel's back, but I've been on about Rotten Tomatoes for years. Probably since the first time I saw a movie rated 100%. That's impossible, goddammit. Every bit as unrealistic as being rated 0.
I understand the algorithm makes it work, but it does not work for me to see unreasonably high ratings for regular movies. High and low ratings tell me something. 0 and 100 tell me nothing.
Last month I recommended my friend a movie to download, so he did, then before we watched it he mentioned apparently it's at 100% on Rotten Tomatoes, which bodes well for it. I recommended it and even thought ugh, that's stupid.
I guess that's why there's a critic score and audience score and even though I don't like the algorithm, the gap between them sometimes is more telling than either rating alone.
IMDb I generally find is more accurate, but not inscrutable either.
IMDB is not accurate either because of socks. one person can have 20 accounts and rate a film a 10 or a 1.
nothing is reliable, the only thing reliable is if a person can talk in full extent on the content of a movie or if there is a pattern about many complaints from other people that hate movies that also make movies.
for instance how do I know Interstellar is better than GOTG? Because Interstellar had some brains to it, it was directed by a person who had creative freedom to tell his story even with all the flaws. GOTG is just fun dumb down nonsense shited out by the disney cooperate factory and those darm jokes to make the movie goofy for kids? interstellar used a more serious approach , a better approach. that is why it is better. these are solid reasons.
why it is a better film. I dont give a darm what rotten tomatoes says. the substance had to speak for itself.
MCU fans were a funny bunch. they never listened to many film makers who have said or implied mcu movies are trash, they never listened to long tome marvel comic fans who spoke about how marvel was getting too silly and childish under disney but they chose to listen to critics who they cant even name.lol. at least we know who john landis, james cameron, ridley scott are.
That's no small feat to unpack. I agree with you about IMDb. I don't lose sleep over it, but I've seen the ratings tampered with maliciously as well. I also appreciate you don't give a damn what Rotten Tomatoes says, especially if if leans the way you don't.
Our agreements don't end there but they do split. I'm not going to subscribe to your non-stop interpretation of the Marvel movies, or its fans. Although, I will say I'm not always sure what you like. You don't dislike Marvel, do you? Just the MCU you don't like? Because I've seen you heap kind words on the X-Men movies.
Anyways, believe it or not, I actually agree with at least one criticism of Marvel's direction. I also think their universe lacks a director's individuality. It's why I put Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy over the Russo Brother's (loosely defined) Captain America/Avengers trilogy. The MCU has a refined and distinct aesthetic; it's cinematography and palette are different from the other superhero/comic book movies. I will however say I don't recognize their directors for who and what they are. Christopher Nolan has an identifiable stamp he puts on everything. A lot of directors do; they employ certain tropes, visual techniques, deal with certain themes that make their work uniquely theirs. It's an observation that exists independent of the quality of the movie. David Lynch often uses vast, elaborate networks of impossibly well-connected and shady underground players in his films; Quentin Tarantino often has characters with unconventional opinions, gratuitous violence/swearing; Christopher Nolan himself usually uses characters that are strong, proud, masculine, stoic, and if they're not his creations (like Batman), he'll turn them into a character he can relate to (it's why I think his next most successful movie after The Dark Knight is a film where emotions are literally human viruses the brain sends out to defend itself via Inception).
The MCU mostly has directors who either don't employ their own identifiable branding on the movie or they're not allowed. The MCU films, though I enjoy them (and keeping in mind you don't, I guess), I often find their achievements very technical. The MCU movies occur in different situations and settings but are reigned in similarly enough to pass for the same movie universe instantly. The Russo brothers also did a lot of Community. I don't see any traces of uniqueness linking Community and the Captain America movies. Iron Man 3 stands out for me because I know Shane Black anywhere; he did the Lethal Weapon movies, The Nice Guys, and seems to specialize in witty banter between unsavory ne'er do well characters. James Gunn's two movies are like each others but unlike his other works that I've seen.
I'm meeting you half-way (take a picture) because I definitely like the MCU movies, but I've thought for a while they often look similar. It's par for the course that they have to, and I'm not saying they have no individuality; it's just not always allowed on the surface because it's a billion dollar box office operation now. Stakes are too high for experimental directing and anything remotely resembling auteur. So yeah, I disagree with 9 and a half out of 10 things you say, but you got a bit of a point.
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Post by darkpast on Mar 2, 2019 4:24:36 GMT
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Post by poelzig on Mar 2, 2019 5:58:59 GMT
wrong. it is not disney influencing rt directly. it is disney influences critics and the media that amounts to RT scores.
the media has been shilling for this movie a they do with mcu movies. where some critics will admit thus movie is stupid and still rate it fresh. ant man 2 and thor jokenock are good examples
it is you mcu fans that liked to bring up rt. I have never used rt to justify what makes Logn or tdk a great movie? I agreed with martin scorsese when he said good movies are judged by the content and style of film making.
also not all the folks are idiots. idiots enough to change the entire system. disney are the people using the troll card the way they used the racist card for black panther and racist and sexist card with last jedi.
as said, it is too suspicious it is Disney movies finding themselves in all the rt or let me say ''critical'' controversies. Early reactions are already a dead give away this movie is mediocre. with the fun, laugh, jokes, 90 blast ''critics'' are raving about. not one critic in the early reaction ever called Captain marvel a compelling movie or praised any artistic technical achievement of the film.
This is just beyond pathetic for marvel, disney, captain marvel and rt.
'Avengers: Infinity War' still got attacked by similar trolls even though it had no pre-release controversies related to race or gender. Do you not realize how pitiful that is? You're questioning someone else's inability to detect being pathetic and pitiful? I'm guessing you have a problem with irony too because DAMN!!!!! You're whining and stomping your little feet while screaming "You dared say you have no interest in a moviwhat I'm worshiping so I'll spew vitriol at you and demonize anyone not as obsessed as me." Yet you think you have some type of "moral" high ground. It's almost like you're trolling but you're just the typical white lib hypocrite. Malcolm was a genius and his brilliance is more apt today than ever. Even back then the hypocritical white liberal host is trying to virtue signal and Malcolm destroys him. Cheese Larson sure as hell didn't offer her job to a black actress even though the first female Cap Marvel was in fact a black woman. She leaped up on a soapbox i.e. youtube and every white lib platform possible and like the typical white savior declares she has handpicked some poor weak black female critics because white dudes evil. Not being an idiot or white I of course think "Damn flat ass done guaranteed every one of them ladies will give her movie that's not about the actual original female Cap Marvel a 100% A++++++++ no matter how shitty it might be." White libs of course think "Please hate me more you perfect goddess your flat ass is too good for me but may i lick it anyway?" But hey. Please continue to praise a white multi millionaire for taking roles away from black actresses who are woefully underused anyway. You and cheese can scream the white lib mantra loudly together "Do as we say not as we do!!!!!"
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Post by blockbusted on Mar 2, 2019 6:01:44 GMT
'Avengers: Infinity War' still got attacked by similar trolls even though it had no pre-release controversies related to race or gender. Do you not realize how pitiful that is? You're questioning someone else's inability to detect being pathetic and pitiful? I'm guessing you have a problem with irony too because DAMN!!!!! You're whining and stomping your little feet while screaming "You dared say you have no interest in a moviwhat I'm worshiping so I'll spew vitriol at you and demonize anyone not as obsessed as me." Yet you think you have some type of "moral" high ground. It's almost like you're trolling but you're just the typical white lib hypocrite. Malcolm was a genius and his brilliance is more apt today than ever. Even back then the hypocritical white liberal host is trying to virtue signal and Malcolm destroys him. Cheese Larson sure as hell didn't offer her job to a black actress even though the first female Cap Marvel was in fact a black woman. She leaped up on a soapbox i.e. youtube and every white lib platform possible and like the typical white savior declares she has handpicked some poor weak black female critics because white dudes evil. Not being an idiot or white I of course think "Damn flat ass done guaranteed every one of them ladies will give her movie that's not about the actual original female Cap Marvel a 100% A++++++++ no matter how shitty it might be." White libs of course think "Please hate me more you perfect goddess your flat ass is too good for me but may i lick it anyway?" But hey. Please continue to praise a white multi millionaire for taking roles away from black actresses who are woefully underused anyway. You and cheese can scream the white lib mantra loudly together "Do as we say not as we do!!!!!" Well, I'm not a white liberal, so nice try.
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Post by poelzig on Mar 2, 2019 6:25:54 GMT
You're questioning someone else's inability to detect being pathetic and pitiful? I'm guessing you have a problem with irony too because DAMN!!!!! You're whining and stomping your little feet while screaming "You dared say you have no interest in a moviwhat I'm worshiping so I'll spew vitriol at you and demonize anyone not as obsessed as me." Yet you think you have some type of "moral" high ground. It's almost like you're trolling but you're just the typical white lib hypocrite. Malcolm was a genius and his brilliance is more apt today than ever. Even back then the hypocritical white liberal host is trying to virtue signal and Malcolm destroys him. Cheese Larson sure as hell didn't offer her job to a black actress even though the first female Cap Marvel was in fact a black woman. She leaped up on a soapbox i.e. youtube and every white lib platform possible and like the typical white savior declares she has handpicked some poor weak black female critics because white dudes evil. Not being an idiot or white I of course think "Damn flat ass done guaranteed every one of them ladies will give her movie that's not about the actual original female Cap Marvel a 100% A++++++++ no matter how shitty it might be." White libs of course think "Please hate me more you perfect goddess your flat ass is too good for me but may i lick it anyway?" But hey. Please continue to praise a white multi millionaire for taking roles away from black actresses who are woefully underused anyway. You and cheese can scream the white lib mantra loudly together "Do as we say not as we do!!!!!" Well, I'm not a white liberal, so nice try. Amazing how often white libs insist they are not white libs. Another guy who's so white he's translucent that claims to miraculously have a black father or voted republican in the last 50 elections or blah blah blah. Doesn't change the FACT you're praising a WHITE MULTI MILLIONAIRE for taking jobs from BLACK WOMEN!!!!! Now tell me bout your black friends. Why am I flashing back to raptor talking about his cousin who dated a black guy? That guy was a moron but at least he wasn't patting himself on the back non stop for that most noble of cause. Making sure white actresses took roles from black actresses. You sir are a hero.
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Post by darkpast on Mar 2, 2019 6:26:30 GMT
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Post by poutinep on Mar 2, 2019 6:47:23 GMT
what kind of losers are making this youtube conspiracy videos about RT anyway?
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Post by blockbusted on Mar 2, 2019 17:47:59 GMT
Well, I'm not a white liberal, so nice try. Amazing how often white libs insist they are not white libs. Another guy who's so white he's translucent that claims to miraculously have a black father or voted republican in the last 50 elections or blah blah blah. Doesn't change the FACT you're praising a WHITE MULTI MILLIONAIRE for taking jobs from BLACK WOMEN!!!!! Now tell me bout your black friends. Why am I flashing back to raptor talking about his cousin who dated a black guy? That guy was a moron but at least he wasn't patting himself on the back non stop for that most noble of cause. Making sure white actresses took roles from black actresses. You sir are a hero. Because I'm NOT. I'm actually from South Korea.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 2, 2019 17:50:28 GMT
Amazing how often white libs insist they are not white libs. Another guy who's so white he's translucent that claims to miraculously have a black father or voted republican in the last 50 elections or blah blah blah. Doesn't change the FACT you're praising a WHITE MULTI MILLIONAIRE for taking jobs from BLACK WOMEN!!!!!  Now tell me bout your black friends. Why am I flashing back to raptor talking about his cousin who dated a black guy? That guy was a moron but at least he wasn't patting himself on the back non stop for that most noble of cause. Making sure white actresses took roles from black actresses. You sir are a hero.  Because I'm NOT. I'm actually from South Korea. Pay no heed. Poelzig’s been on a role misidentifying white liberals as of late. |
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Post by blockbusted on Mar 2, 2019 18:03:55 GMT
Because I'm NOT. I'm actually from South Korea. Pay no heed. Poelzig’s been on a role misidentifying white liberals as of late. You're probably right.
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Post by poelzig on Mar 2, 2019 21:47:46 GMT
Because I'm NOT. I'm actually from South Korea. Pay no heed. Poelzig’s been on a role misidentifying white liberals as of late. My bad. I forget there are non whites that bow down to white liberals like pets. That seems unnatural and weak to me but you do you. Wait. My bad again. I shouldn't assume you are black just because your avatars are all about honoring black pioneers and what not. In today's virtue signalling society it probably means you the whitest dude on this site. Also you know that dude ain't from no South Korea and that guy that said he has a black "father" is white as snow too. They just don't like it when I shine a harsh spotlight on the hypocrisy of white liberaldom kind of like Malcolm did so they lie about their white heritage.
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Post by blockbusted on Mar 2, 2019 23:10:28 GMT
Pay no heed. Poelzig’s been on a role misidentifying white liberals as of late. My bad. I forget there are non whites that bow down to white liberals like pets. That seems unnatural and weak to me but you do you. Wait. My bad again. I shouldn't assume you are black just because your avatars are all about honoring black pioneers and what not. In today's virtue signalling society it probably means you the whitest dude on this site. Also you know that dude ain't from no South Korea and that guy that said he has a black "father" is white as snow too. They just don't like it when I shine a harsh spotlight on the hypocrisy of white liberaldom kind of like Malcolm did so they lie about their white heritage. How do you know that I'm not from South Korea? Are you throwing lies just to prove yourself? Also, this post has been reported for insidious racism.
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Mar 3, 2019 1:56:10 GMT
Rotten Tomatoes reasoning to do away with the "want to see it" section of movie and TV title pages holds some weight, however, doing so for a particular movie that is just days away from release and making rounds in the media does not paint them in the best of light as they come across as trying to rid of freedom of speech, the whole situation is silly though - on both sides, really.
And DC-Fan - do not like this comment, you've identified me as a "dumb MCU fan" before so why you would be liking my comment anyway is nothing short of puzzling and hypocritical, so do not bother.
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Post by poelzig on Mar 5, 2019 2:57:21 GMT
My bad. I forget there are non whites that bow down to white liberals like pets. That seems unnatural and weak to me but you do you. Wait. My bad again. I shouldn't assume you are black just because your avatars are all about honoring black pioneers and what not. In today's virtue signalling society it probably means you the whitest dude on this site. Also you know that dude ain't from no South Korea and that guy that said he has a black "father" is white as snow too. They just don't like it when I shine a harsh spotlight on the hypocrisy of white liberaldom kind of like Malcolm did so they lie about their white heritage. How do you know that I'm not from South Korea? Are you throwing lies just to prove yourself? Also, this post has been reported for insidious racism. What does "prove yourself" mean and how does saying you're not from South Korea accomplish that? By definition a black man CAN'T be a racist but I agree there are several highly suspect white dudes on here. Keep your eyes on them white libs all the time or suffer the consequences.
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Post by blockbusted on Mar 5, 2019 3:31:36 GMT
How do you know that I'm not from South Korea? Are you throwing lies just to prove yourself? Also, this post has been reported for insidious racism. What does "prove yourself" mean and how does saying you're not from South Korea accomplish that? By definition a black man CAN'T be a racist but I agree there are several highly suspect white dudes on here. Keep your eyes on them white libs all the time or suffer the consequences. Really? Then how would you describe Erik "Killmonger" Stevens? Or to some extent, Malcolm X for several years of his life? P.S. Okay, perhaps they weren't actually "racist", but they were certainly more extreme than, say, their fictional or real-life counterparts.
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