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Post by Eλευθερί on Feb 27, 2019 19:41:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 20:37:47 GMT
Does it matter 🤷
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 28, 2019 1:10:32 GMT
Well, since they are supposed to be celibate, why is their sexuality an issue?
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 28, 2019 2:16:32 GMT
As a group they are not to be trusted. Just stop leaving kids alone with them. Can we try that?
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Post by Eλευθερί on Feb 28, 2019 2:51:22 GMT
The Catholics seem to think so.
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Post by gameboy on Feb 28, 2019 2:55:03 GMT
Antimatter Nuclear reactor Boom boom boom boom Yes it matters. The Catholic priesthood has been a safe refuge for homosexuals for centuries.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Feb 28, 2019 3:28:04 GMT
Antimatter Nuclear reactor Boom boom boom boom Yes it matters. The Catholic priesthood has been a safe refuge for homosexuals for centuries. Safe refuge? Not according to the priests interviewed in the article.
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Post by gameboy on Feb 28, 2019 4:01:57 GMT
Antimatter Nuclear reactor Boom boom boom boom Yes it matters. The Catholic priesthood has been a safe refuge for homosexuals for centuries. Safe refuge? Not according to the priests interviewed in the article. In the 21st century it's unnecessary. But if you were a gay man or lesbian in the 12 century, it was a safe harbor where you were surrounded by other homosexuals and had no expectation of heterosexual marriage.
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Post by mslo79 on Feb 28, 2019 7:32:33 GMT
I am sure it's just more BS to make the Catholic church look bad as I am confident those 30-40% or higher claims are BS. I would imagine the real numbers are much lower than what they claim as I heard only about 2% of the general population is gay and chances are that's similar with priests also as even if it's noticeably higher I would be surprised if it's anywhere near 30-40% worldwide. either way, even if there are more that are gay than I think... as long as they stay celibate, and don't cross any lines, and preach what the church teaches then everything should be okay at the end of the day as we all have our crosses to bear. also, I am curious to see how many of those priests pray regularly, like say The Rosary every single day for example. because regardless of whether someone is straight or gay etc, regular prayer is not optional if one is going to avoid sin and grow closer to God. without regular prayer it's pretty much a matter of time before someone pretty much goes with the worlds ways, at least on some level, which are often contrary to God's ways. a quote from the article... That's definitely BS as a straight guy would never have that problem. but this should really go without saying. permutojoeComments like that are the effects of the secular media talking crap about the Catholic church on many, sadly. the media likes to portray it like it's full of shady priests when it's not. sure, being a bit cautious won't hurt and all but it's not some evil organization like the media, who's pretty much anti-Christian enough already(basically they are largely godless people), makes it out to be. but for someone who does not believe in God, as I am assuming you don't(?), hearing stuff like this will make it that much easier for one to dis the Catholic church etc which is the true Church of Jesus Christ who started it with Peter, who's basically the first pope, and then went down through the generations from there til today. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 7:40:12 GMT
The Catholics seem to think so. 'The Catholics' The laity are mostly in favour of gay marriage. I would struggle to find many against it in my parish family. People think things like homosexuality, contraception, and abortion, are set in stone in the Catholic Church. They are not... there is back and forth about them through time. Decided by a handful in the Vatican. Nobody gave hee haw about contraception until somebody decided to in I think it was 1968. The laity are often at odds with doctrine. Most Catholics are not anti-gay, anti-contraception, or anti-abortion. The church shifts its position on issues like these through time, most often for practical not religious reasons, and reformist popes like Francis are currently needed to keep the Holy See in step with the laity at this time. If it doesn't, the church's relevance to young people in particular, will continue to diminish. While we're here, yes to women priests, and yes to allowing priests to marry again. |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Feb 28, 2019 13:49:51 GMT
@fjh Please see the post immediately preceding your last post.
While many of the laity may be accepting or tolerant of gay marriage in some regions, there are many others who are very opposed. And a great many are probably very opposed to the idea of priests being gay. Most feel priests are supposed to be different than laity, so what might be ok for laity is not necessarily ok for priests.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 19:06:18 GMT
@fjh Please see the post immediately preceding your last post. While many of the laity may be accepting or tolerant of gay marriage in some regions, there are many others who are very opposed. And a great many are probably very opposed to the idea of priests being gay. Most feel priests are supposed to be different than laity, so what might be ok for laity is not necessarily ok for priests. Do you have a problem with homosexuals, gay priests, and gay marriage? Are you a Catholic? |
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Post by thefleetsin on Feb 28, 2019 21:11:29 GMT
corralling content as a contact sport
i can
only think of one other time
when so many
of the
ridiculously divine
attempted
to magnanimously shine
a light on
an exposed male spine
and
michelangelo was
not
impressed
at all.
sjw 02/28/19 inspired at this very moment in time by the upswing in attempted mind cauterization.
from the 'blasphemy series' of poems
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Post by maya55555 on Feb 28, 2019 21:37:58 GMT
Feetsin
Get lost freak.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Feb 28, 2019 23:07:44 GMT
@fjh Please see the post immediately preceding your last post. While many of the laity may be accepting or tolerant of gay marriage in some regions, there are many others who are very opposed. And a great many are probably very opposed to the idea of priests being gay. Most feel priests are supposed to be different than laity, so what might be ok for laity is not necessarily ok for priests. Do you have a problem with homosexuals, gay priests, and gay marriage? Are you a Catholic? I am whatever you what me to be. 
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Post by Aj_June on Feb 28, 2019 23:15:38 GMT
That's a very solid reasoning to use. Thanks for this yet another informative article.
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Post by Aj_June on Feb 28, 2019 23:25:43 GMT
It shouldn't matter but unfortunately in the real world it matters and all such conjectures have a bearing. Based on the articles I have read on the web concerning this issue I have found many right wing zealots now blaming corruption in religion on homosexuals and in their wicked minds they are using such findings to link homosexuality to pedophilia. They erroneously believe if the vast overwhelming majority of priests are gays then it sheds light on why there is so much of child abuse in the church. I know their logic sucks but the fact is that such findings are used by the extreme right wing to increase their propaganda. Also, I believe such findings are more or less difficult to prove. I personally wouldn't believe extremely high figures, especially if not backed by proper evidence. I surely know that I will not totally believe a company's HR team when they validate the actions of their employees. They could be true but not necessarily true. Similarly, when a gay priest puts up an estimate of the number of gays I wouldn't totally believe.
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 28, 2019 23:33:03 GMT
It shouldn't matter but unfortunately in the real world it matters and all such conjectures have a bearing. Based on the articles I have read on the web concerning this issue I have found many right wing zealots now blaming corruption in religion on homosexuals and in their wicked minds they are using such findings to link homosexuality to pedophilia. They erroneously believe if the vast overwhelming majority of priests are gays then it sheds light on why there is so much of child abuse in the church. I know their logic sucks but the fact is that such findings are used by the extreme right wing to increase their propaganda. Also, I believe such findings are more or less difficult to prove. I personally wouldn't believe extremely high figures, especially if not backed by proper evidence. I surely know that I will not totally believe a company's HR team when they validate the actions of their employees. They could be true but not necessarily true. Similarly, when a gay priest puts up an estimate of the number of gays I wouldn't totally believe. There's so much pedophilia in the Catholic Church because the Catholic Church is a perfect opportunity for a predator to gain the trust of the congregation and prey on the kids. Same for cub/boy scout leaders, sports coaches of youth sports teams, etc. Put some mandatory systematic safeguards in place because there will always be lazy and over-trusting parents.
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Post by Aj_June on Feb 28, 2019 23:37:42 GMT
It shouldn't matter but unfortunately in the real world it matters and all such conjectures have a bearing. Based on the articles I have read on the web concerning this issue I have found many right wing zealots now blaming corruption in religion on homosexuals and in their wicked minds they are using such findings to link homosexuality to pedophilia. They erroneously believe if the vast overwhelming majority of priests are gays then it sheds light on why there is so much of child abuse in the church. I know their logic sucks but the fact is that such findings are used by the extreme right wing to increase their propaganda. Also, I believe such findings are more or less difficult to prove. I personally wouldn't believe extremely high figures, especially if not backed by proper evidence. I surely know that I will not totally believe a company's HR team when they validate the actions of their employees. They could be true but not necessarily true. Similarly, when a gay priest puts up an estimate of the number of gays I wouldn't totally believe. There's so much pedophilia in the Catholic Church because the Catholic Church is a perfect opportunity for a predator to gain the trust of the congregation and prey on the kids. Same for cub/boy scout leaders, sports coaches of youth sports teams, etc. Put some mandatory systematic safeguards in place because there will always be lazy and over-trusting parents. You are correct in your reasoning. Unfortunately, certain people who have an agenda against homosexuality cannot understand that. Any relation where people have a power on others automatically increases the chances of preying on people. It's just sad that the predators use their powers to the detriments of victims. Many of the people who target boys and girls do it irrespective of their sexual orientation.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Feb 28, 2019 23:56:49 GMT
That's a very solid reasoning to use. Thanks for this yet another informative article. Not sure I follow your point.
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