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Post by tristramshandy on Mar 3, 2019 21:19:53 GMT
According to draft insider Tony Pauline, Cardinals coach Kliff Kingsbury has told people at the NFL Combine that Arizona selecting Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray is already a "done deal."
Pauline acknowledges Kingsbury may not have final say on this decision -- GM Steve Keim technically has more power -- but Kingsbury is a quarterbacks coach by trade and should have just as much say regarding that position. Josh Rosen trade rumors are peaking with connections made to the Redskins and Dolphins, among others. Rosen isn't nearly as strong a fit for Kingsbury's Air Raid spread and would fit better in an offense like Jay Gruden's.
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SOURCE: Draft Analyst Blog
Mar 3, 2019, 12:37 PM
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 3, 2019 21:50:24 GMT
A ploy to ramp up interest in the #1 overall? Cards need an edge rusher and this draft has zillions of them. They could trade down and sill get a fine sack threat and pick up more pieces. I just can't believe that this team would give up on Rosen so quickly with so many holes to fill. Rosen's trade value isn't that big, 3rd maybe. The Jets are actively shopping the #3, maybe the Cardinals are trying to one up the Jets.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 3, 2019 23:35:42 GMT
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Post by tristramshandy on Mar 3, 2019 23:46:13 GMT
A ploy to ramp up interest in the #1 overall? Cards need an edge rusher and this draft has zillions of them. They could trade down and sill get a fine sack threat and pick up more pieces. I just can't believe that this team would give up on Rosen so quickly with so many holes to fill. Rosen's trade value isn't that big, 3rd maybe. The Jets are actively shopping the #3, maybe the Cardinals are trying to one up the Jets. I bet the Patriots would trade their 1st rounder for him. One of the Raiders later firsts makes sense too.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Mar 4, 2019 0:10:09 GMT
Andy Dalton is next Years MVP. Isn’t this all moot?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 4, 2019 0:20:06 GMT
A ploy to ramp up interest in the #1 overall? Cards need an edge rusher and this draft has zillions of them. They could trade down and sill get a fine sack threat and pick up more pieces. I just can't believe that this team would give up on Rosen so quickly with so many holes to fill. Rosen's trade value isn't that big, 3rd maybe. The Jets are actively shopping the #3, maybe the Cardinals are trying to one up the Jets. I bet the Patriots would trade their 1st rounder for him. One of the Raiders later firsts makes sense too. It would take a lot more than a late 1st to get the #1 overall. Raiders two late first wouldn’t do it. |
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 4, 2019 0:40:33 GMT
I bet the Patriots would trade their 1st rounder for him. One of the Raiders later firsts makes sense too. It would take a lot more than a late 1st to get the #1 overall. Raiders two late first wouldn’t do it. I think he’s talking about getting Josh Rosen. |
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 4, 2019 0:44:52 GMT
A lot of talk about Washington being interested in Rosen. I can’t help but remember Rosen’s comments after falling to Arizona in the draft. Something along the lines of “for a while I was scared I was gonna get picked by a team I didn’t want to go to.” I’d imagine the Redskins are pretty high on his list of “teams I don’t want to go to.”
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 0:51:31 GMT
I could see Washington trading the #15 pick for Rosen. They need a QB and they aren't in a good position in the draft to get a good one imo. So either they trade up for Haskins (probably would need to leapfrog the Giants at 6) or trade for Rosen. I think trading for Rosen would cost less (the 15th pick alone compared to the 15th pick+ to get to 5 overall).
In this scenario the Cardinals then draft Murray at #1 and then get another crack at a deep edge rush class at #15. Maybe Montez Sweat or Clelin Ferrell could be available.
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Post by tristramshandy on Mar 4, 2019 4:59:50 GMT
I bet the Patriots would trade their 1st rounder for him. One of the Raiders later firsts makes sense too. It would take a lot more than a late 1st to get the #1 overall. Raiders two late first wouldn’t do it. No, I mean Rosen.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 4, 2019 6:00:37 GMT
It would take a lot more than a late 1st to get the #1 overall. Raiders two late first wouldn’t do it. No, I mean Rosen. My bad. I was focusing on the Cards using the Murray rumor to ratchet up the trade value for the #1 overall. The value of the top pick is much greater if the team wants a QB. Raiders might use one of their low firsts on Rosen. Didn’t see much of him last year. I don’t know if he’s worth it. I still think if they trade Carr the entire organization should be drug tested. He’s not Johnny U, but he’s their one player that can play. As a Bills fan I know, never dump a QB who can play. Might be years before you get another. Raiders should know that too, who way the last QB before Carr that was worth a shit? I can’t remember, you don’t have to go back to Jim Plunkett, do you? |
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 4, 2019 6:18:04 GMT
Raiders might use one of their low firsts on Rosen. Didn’t see much of him last year. I don’t know if he’s worth it. I still think if they trade Carr the entire organization should be drug tested. Gruden's a strange guy. I swear I read something a few months ago about how Gruden is "very high" on Nathan Peterman. Well, you'd have to be very high to think anything positive about Peter-man. Hey, he's the ideal QB to guarantee you a high pick in the next year's draft. Maybe that's exactly what the Raiders are looking for nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 6:53:09 GMT
Raiders might use one of their low firsts on Rosen. Didn’t see much of him last year. I don’t know if he’s worth it. I still think if they trade Carr the entire organization should be drug tested. Gruden's a strange guy. I swear I read something a few months ago about how Gruden is "very high" on Nathan Peterman. Well, you'd have to be very high to think anything positive about Peter-man. Hey, he's the ideal QB to guarantee you a high pick in the next year's draft. Maybe that's exactly what the Raiders are looking for nowadays. That's future XFL MVP Nathan Peterman. Put some respect on that name.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Mar 4, 2019 12:59:51 GMT
My bad. I was focusing on the Cards using the Murray rumor to ratchet up the trade value for the #1 overall. The value of the top pick is much greater if the team wants a QB. Raiders might use one of their low firsts on Rosen. Didn’t see much of him last year. I don’t know if he’s worth it. I still think if they trade Carr the entire organization should be drug tested. He’s not Johnny U, but he’s their one player that can play. As a Bills fan I know, never dump a QB who can play. Might be years before you get another. Raiders should know that too, who way the last QB before Carr that was worth a shit? I can’t remember, you don’t have to go back to Jim Plunkett, do you? I don’t think the Raiders drafted him but Rich Gannon was decent for a little bit in between Plunkett an Carr. And as only a casual observer of the Raiders I don’t get them wanting to trade Carr. If the Eagles needed a QB I wouldn’t mind having Carr. |
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Post by NewtJorden on Mar 4, 2019 13:41:52 GMT
I'm surprised that the Cardinals would give up on Rosen after only one season.
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Post by tristramshandy on Mar 4, 2019 14:28:26 GMT
My bad. I was focusing on the Cards using the Murray rumor to ratchet up the trade value for the #1 overall. The value of the top pick is much greater if the team wants a QB. Raiders might use one of their low firsts on Rosen. Didn’t see much of him last year. I don’t know if he’s worth it. I still think if they trade Carr the entire organization should be drug tested. He’s not Johnny U, but he’s their one player that can play. As a Bills fan I know, never dump a QB who can play. Might be years before you get another. Raiders should know that too, who way the last QB before Carr that was worth a shit? I can’t remember, you don’t have to go back to Jim Plunkett, do you? I don’t think the Raiders drafted him but Rich Gannon was decent for a little bit in between Plunkett an Carr. And as only a casual observer of the Raiders I don’t get them wanting to trade Carr. If the Eagles needed a QB I wouldn’t mind having Carr. Gannon was going to be my answer too. Four straight Pro Bowls with two of them being first team All-Pro from 1999 to 2003 - - Kurt Warner got it in 99 and 01 and Gannon in 00 and 02. Also the last time the Raiders were relevant.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 4, 2019 19:08:52 GMT
My bad. I was focusing on the Cards using the Murray rumor to ratchet up the trade value for the #1 overall. The value of the top pick is much greater if the team wants a QB. Raiders might use one of their low firsts on Rosen. Didn’t see much of him last year. I don’t know if he’s worth it. I still think if they trade Carr the entire organization should be drug tested. He’s not Johnny U, but he’s their one player that can play. As a Bills fan I know, never dump a QB who can play. Might be years before you get another. Raiders should know that too, who way the last QB before Carr that was worth a shit? I can’t remember, you don’t have to go back to Jim Plunkett, do you? I don’t think the Raiders drafted him but Rich Gannon was decent for a little bit in between Plunkett an Carr. And as only a casual observer of the Raiders I don’t get them wanting to trade Carr. If the Eagles needed a QB I wouldn’t mind having Carr. Yeah, I knew there was someone between Plunkett and Carr. Gannon's name slipped my mind.
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