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Post by Troyal1 on Mar 4, 2019 17:37:56 GMT
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 5, 2019 3:46:37 GMT
So it has silly comedy, cheap emotion and, most of all, a big reunion scene where everyone MEETS AGAIN!!!!
It ticks all the boxes of easy mass satisfaction.
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 5, 2019 5:33:44 GMT
I surely hope Jon Snow or Dany or Sansa are not the part of this "funniest" scene. The characters with proven good comic timings are Bronn, the Hound, Tormund and Dolorous Edd. Hopefully, it will be an actually funny scene. Tyrion also was good with comedy once upon a time but it is difficult to imagine him doing a light-hearted scene now. They have already done enough damage with that character.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 5, 2019 7:39:11 GMT
The characters with proven good comic timings are Bronn, the Hound, Tormund and Dolorous Edd. Hopefully, it will be an actually funny scene. They had funny lines in serious scenes. The funniest scene so far was the Game Of Chairs in S3. Were there any others? Yes, Tyrion "confessing his crimes" at the Eyrie in S1… Dothraki discussing how to steal a gold peacock at a party in Qarth in S2. Tyrion and Bronn asking Pod how he handled Littlefinger's whores in S3. The Sand Snakes playing some silly game in their cell in S5. The Hound slaughtering the rogue Brotherhood in S6 (two scenes).
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 6, 2019 17:18:29 GMT
The characters with proven good comic timings are Bronn, the Hound, Tormund and Dolorous Edd. Hopefully, it will be an actually funny scene. They had funny lines in serious scenes. The funniest scene so far was the Game Of Chairs in S3. Were there any others? Yes, Tyrion "confessing his crimes" at the Eyrie in S1… Dothraki discussing how to steal a gold peacock at a party in Qarth in S2. Tyrion and Bronn asking Pod how he handled Littlefinger's whores in S3. The Sand Snakes playing some silly game in their cell in S5. The Hound slaughtering the rogue Brotherhood in S6 (two scenes). The chairs scene was a pure gold.
No lines here but:
And Robb's facial expression and Cat's to his reaction.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 6, 2019 17:25:47 GMT
I had forgotten the Tully burial. Although, it was maybe more awkward than funny, but very good.
I can't think of a funny scene in S4…
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Post by Marendil on Mar 7, 2019 4:24:49 GMT
I had forgotten the Tully burial. Although, it was maybe more awkward than funny, but very good. I can't think of a funny scene in S4… Arya and the Hound's sequences were filled with them; 'what the fuck's a Lommie?!?'
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 7, 2019 6:13:22 GMT
I had forgotten the Tully burial. Although, it was maybe more awkward than funny, but very good. I can't think of a funny scene in S4… Arya and the Hound's sequences were filled with them; 'what the fuck's a Lommie?!?' Funny lines, not funny scenes.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 7, 2019 6:23:49 GMT
Arya and the Hound's sequences were filled with them; 'what the fuck's a Lommie?!?' Funny lines, not funny scenes. I found just about every scene with those two funny, I smiled through most of them and chuckled frequently with an occasional guffaw. Both Williams and Mc Cann are great with expressions and body language, the whole subplot of Arya wanting her own horse to 'get away from his stench' and the culmination makes me laugh as well.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 7, 2019 6:39:35 GMT
Funny lines, not funny scenes. I found just about every scene with those two funny, I smiled through most of them and chuckled frequently with an occasional guffaw. Both Williams and Mc Cann are great with expressions and body language, the whole subplot of Arya wanting her own horse to 'get away from his stench' and the culmination makes me laugh as well. I agree but none of these scenes were designed with humour as main goal like the Game Of Chairs or Tyrion's "confession". Compare them with the hanging scene in S6 where the Hound is only there to crack jokes: "Drop that arrow, you bloody girl. Tougher girls than you have tried to kill me." "Where's the punishment in that? - They die. - We all bloody die. Except this one here." "You're getting old, Clegane. -He's not." "Got anything to eat? … I prefer chicken."
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Post by Marendil on Mar 7, 2019 6:58:41 GMT
I found just about every scene with those two funny, I smiled through most of them and chuckled frequently with an occasional guffaw. Both Williams and Mc Cann are great with expressions and body language, the whole subplot of Arya wanting her own horse to 'get away from his stench' and the culmination makes me laugh as well. I agree but none of these scenes were designed with humour as main goal like the Game Of Chairs or Tyrion's "confession". Compare them with the hanging scene in S6 where the Hound is only there to crack jokes: "Drop that arrow, you bloody girl. Tougher girls than you have tried to kill me." "Where's the punishment in that? - They die. - We all bloody die. Except this one here." "You're getting old, Clegane. -He's not." "Got anything to eat? I prefer chicken." … Huh, I thought you hated that scene, one of the reasons you gave up on the show?I love dark humor, one of the reasons I like watching Cercei. Few actresses swear as well as Lena Headey, and her 'tutoring' poor Sansa on the ugly realities of war during "Blackwater" (after she realizes Sansa is rooting for Stannis) is one of the highlights of my favorite episodes. 'A nice piece of cake...' Lol, especially Turner's wide-eyed expression. [/quote]
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 7, 2019 7:10:04 GMT
Huh, I thought you hated that scene, one of the reasons you gave up on the show? I never said it was good, only that it was designed with humour as main purpose. I gave up on the show because it became insultingly stupid and targeted at feeling morons. I would have endured humour in filler scenes like this one. I would have endured Tyrion, Missandei and Greyworm telling jokes too, even though I think that scene was meant to be endearing rather than funny. I won't be watching "heroes" like Daenerys, Arya or Jon Snow though.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 7, 2019 7:17:04 GMT
Huh, I thought you hated that scene, one of the reasons you gave up on the show? I never said it was good, only that it was designed with humour as main purpose. I gave up on the show because it became insultingly stupid and targeted at feeling morons. I would have endured humour in filler scenes like this one. I would have endured Tyrion, Missandei and Greyworm telling jokes too, even though I think that scene was meant to be endearing rather than funny. I won't be watching "heroes" like Daenerys, Arya or Jon Snow though. Your loss. Its not the same (or as good) as it was in the beginning, but it's still worth watching. There's still some heady stuff though, Jaime and Cersei's final dialogue in the last episode works on many levels and is fair to both perspectives.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 7, 2019 7:32:52 GMT
I never said it was good, only that it was designed with humour as main purpose. I gave up on the show because it became insultingly stupid and targeted at feeling morons. I would have endured humour in filler scenes like this one. I would have endured Tyrion, Missandei and Greyworm telling jokes too, even though I think that scene was meant to be endearing rather than funny. I won't be watching "heroes" like Daenerys, Arya or Jon Snow though. Your loss. Its not the same (or as good) as it was in the beginning, but it's still worth watching. There's still some heady stuff though, Jaime and Cersei's final dialogue in the last episode works on many levels and is fair to both perspectives. I couldn't stand it. Almost every episode of S6 was a cringe of some sort. I felt pretty much the same way about Westworld. Then I watch The Last Kingdom and it's a display of intelligence in comparison. There are two worlds out there.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 7, 2019 7:50:23 GMT
Your loss. Its not the same (or as good) as it was in the beginning, but it's still worth watching. There's still some heady stuff though, Jaime and Cersei's final dialogue in the last episode works on many levels and is fair to both perspectives. I couldn't stand it. Almost every episode of S6 was a cringe of some sort. I felt pretty much the same way about Westworld. Then I watch The Last Kingdom and it's a display of intelligence in comparison. There are two worlds out there. I just finished watching that all the way through, I was surprised how much I liked it and was looking forward to more.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 7, 2019 8:17:40 GMT
I couldn't stand it. Almost every episode of S6 was a cringe of some sort. I felt pretty much the same way about Westworld. Then I watch The Last Kingdom and it's a display of intelligence in comparison. There are two worlds out there. I just finished watching that all the way through, I was surprised how much I liked it and was looking forward to more. I'm only at the beginning of S2 of TLK. Do not spoil me, like that guy who told me Caesar would die in Rome  The main character's story is not particularly interesting but I really like the way the mentalities and thought processes of those surrounding him are displayed. I have reservations as to the historicity of the sources this is based on. I don't think Alfred ever thought of a unified England, this is something chroniclers added later on and I suspect Asser never existed but the interworking of kings and religion is presented in the most plausible way.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 7, 2019 8:45:54 GMT
I just finished watching that all the way through, I was surprised how much I liked it and was looking forward to more. I'm only at the beginning of S2 of TLK. Do not spoil me, like that guy who told me Caesar would die in Rome The main character's story is not particularly interesting but I really like the way the mentalities and thought processes of those surrounding him are displayed. I have reservations as to the historicity of the sources this is based on. I don't think Alfred ever thought of a unified England, this is something chroniclers added later on and I suspect Asser never existed but the interworking of kings and religion is presented in the most plausible way. I thought it improved with every season, though I thought they could have done better with Alfred. As for history, it's an action adventure show foremost about a period we don't actually know all that much about, liberties were taken it appeared to me, but they made the stories they told interesting at least and created a fascinating milieu. You will have to endure some badass warrior chicks, but remember these (while rare) did actually exist amongst the Anglo-Saxons, Tolkien did not invent the shieldmaiden when he created Eowyn, he was drawing off legitimate Anglo-Saxon traditions.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 7, 2019 9:22:15 GMT
I'm only at the beginning of S2 of TLK. Do not spoil me, like that guy who told me Caesar would die in Rome The main character's story is not particularly interesting but I really like the way the mentalities and thought processes of those surrounding him are displayed. I have reservations as to the historicity of the sources this is based on. I don't think Alfred ever thought of a unified England, this is something chroniclers added later on and I suspect Asser never existed but the interworking of kings and religion is presented in the most plausible way. I thought it improved with every season, though I thought they could have done better with Alfred. As for history, it's an action adventure show foremost about a period we don't actually know all that much about, liberties were taken it appeared to me, but they made the stories they told interesting at least and created a fascinating milieu. You will have to endure some badass warrior chicks, but remember these (while rare) did actually exist amongst the Anglo-Saxons, Tolkien did not invent the shieldmaiden when he created Eowyn, he was drawing off legitimate Anglo-Saxon traditions. Liberties were taken with the historical material but my point is that I do not trust that material to start with. I believe both Alfred and his grandson Aethelstan were stylised to "great unifying kings" by clerics with political motives. The 9th century is the time when we see primogeniture replace the traditional sharing of heritage that preceded it and this is the work of the church, aiming at peace under one "God chosen" ruler instead of warring brothers snatching morsels of kingdoms from each other. Of course, elder brothers supported the idea and this is something the show displays brilliantly. Alfred perfectly understands that religion is a unifying tool he can use to his benefit. He is also made to say that peace makes wealth, not war, which is probably not something the original Alfred ever said but certainly what some bishop would want to see him say in some account of his life passed on as an example to his successors. As to warrior chicks, well… I haven't seen any in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles. I know Scandinavian female warriors were discovered in graves but no more.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 7, 2019 15:49:59 GMT
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Post by Marendil on Mar 7, 2019 23:39:10 GMT
I thought it improved with every season, though I thought they could have done better with Alfred. As for history, it's an action adventure show foremost about a period we don't actually know all that much about, liberties were taken it appeared to me, but they made the stories they told interesting at least and created a fascinating milieu. You will have to endure some badass warrior chicks, but remember these (while rare) did actually exist amongst the Anglo-Saxons, Tolkien did not invent the shieldmaiden when he created Eowyn, he was drawing off legitimate Anglo-Saxon traditions. Liberties were taken with the historical material but my point is that I do not trust that material to start with. I believe both Alfred and his grandson Aethelstan were stylised to "great unifying kings" by clerics with political motives. The 9th century is the time when we see primogeniture replace the traditional sharing of heritage that preceded it and this is the work of the church, aiming at peace under one "God chosen" ruler instead of warring brothers snatching morsels of kingdoms from each other. Of course, elder brothers supported the idea and this is something the show displays brilliantly. Alfred perfectly understands that religion is a unifying tool he can use to his benefit. He is also made to say that peace makes wealth, not war, which is probably not something the original Alfred ever said but certainly what some bishop would want to see him say in some account of his life passed on as an example to his successors. As to warrior chicks, well… I haven't seen any in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles. I know Scandinavian female warriors were discovered in graves but no more. I don't really disagree, another device they employed was having Alfred appear sometimes overly conscious of his place in history and the importance of what he did which I found occasionally jarring, disrupting the immersion, but overall I did like the show but preferred the depiction of Edward and his sister. I found Alfred's older brother entertaining to watch, though they probably did him some injustice.
As you note there are few trustworthy accounts of these times but I found Bede to be the most useful in getting a feel for what life was like in that era. For one thing that old monk had a delicious dry wit making him more readable than most, plus his less credulous more evidence-based accounts of events like the 'miracles' of those canonized allow the discerning reader to realize that they were often little more than coincidence, wise counsel, hero-worship as well as primitive medicine and the like. They also reveal what the people of the time valued and how they lived. Some of them were akin to rock stars (complete with groupies!) and what they were venerated for quite useful in painting a picture of the times more revealing than the illustrations in the Chronicle(s).
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