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Post by mecano04 on Jun 12, 2017 16:17:23 GMT
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Post by The Lost One on Jun 12, 2017 16:38:09 GMT
You really don't like being told anything do you, about the "truth" of your existence and the deeper and authentic aspects of your eternal being? When you die, have a nice nothing to return too. Well to be honest you haven't really tried to explain to anyone what this truth is. What is "eternal consciousness awareness"? I assume it means reality and consciousness are one and the same, but how do you know this? Is it something that can be demonstrated as true (or at least likely)? Or is it something you've made a leap of faith about? If the former, can you show us the logic or evidence you used? And if the latter, can you blame others for not making the same leap?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 12, 2017 22:00:35 GMT
More denial and avoidance.  You don't even know what reality really is. Like I mentioned in another post, what if it is physicality that is just an illusion. It is all projection fool!
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 12, 2017 22:24:46 GMT
Well to be honest you haven't really tried to explain to anyone what this truth is. What is "eternal consciousness awareness"? I assume it means reality and consciousness are one and the same, but how do you know this? Is it something that can be demonstrated as true (or at least likely)? Or is it something you've made a leap of faith about? If the former, can you show us the logic or evidence you used? And if the latter, can you blame others for not making the same leap? It is your "own" truth about your being and existence. I can't answer that for you. We are all here for the human experience and what a wonderful opportunity we have in this realm to connect with our consciousness or eternal awareness. I don't do faith, that is more founded in religious dogma and the separate notion of God and I am not religious. Yes, take the leap, but it doesn't have to be one of faith. I would rather call it trust. Trust in all that is going on around you, all that you have and all that you are, is working through you as intended and created by action. IT IS ALL ACTION AND CONSEQUENCE and that is how powerful we are. How else do we take responsibility for our actions? Priding oneself in what we can get away with isn't going to cut it in the long run. The suffering in humans an be immense and then perhaps growing into the understanding of self-awareness about the universe and it's connection to what inhibits everything is the key. Where is this "self" really? Taking it out of the biblical context, Christ knew this and he transcended. Just look at all that is perishable\impermanent around you, even your body. People fear death, yet they keep going around in the same circles of life, birth, life, death, rebirth. The cycle about your "own truth", can be broken and risen, but each to their own and at their own pace. Hey, perhaps some people haven't been around long enough or experienced enough lifetimes to see or even feel how it operates. Being intelligent, erudite and well read is great, but by that same token and at the risk of sounding trite, knowledge from a great capacity for memory retention is not necessarily wisdom. This is where our innate intelligence needs to be used and allows us to look at things from a more open and loving perspective about our reason for being here. As mentioned earlier, it is about "purpose". That is your truth and that has to be discovered by only you.
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Post by faustus5 on Jun 13, 2017 10:46:42 GMT
More denial and avoidance. Denial and avoidance is all you are capable of, so naturally you project it on others.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 13, 2017 11:38:38 GMT
More denial and avoidance. Denial and avoidance is all you are capable of, so naturally you project it on others. Whatever! Your conceit and arrogance is what is your projection and you aren't even aware of it. What exactly is it that you feel I am in denial and avoidance of? As far as I'm concerned, your sense of self-superiority is all bound up in your ego and sense of self and that makes me streets ahead of you fool!
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Post by faustus5 on Jun 13, 2017 16:47:05 GMT
What exactly is it that you feel I am in denial and avoidance of? Objective reality, that's all.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 13, 2017 22:36:41 GMT
What exactly is it that you feel I am in denial and avoidance of? Objective reality, that's all. So you don't feel that subjectivity plays a part in anything and how we can perceive things differently when coming from the self? And if subjectivity is all just an illusion, then so is objectivity. It is after all, only a projection of the ego mindset. Perhaps then, none of it is real, or what you think of as real.
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Post by faustus5 on Jun 14, 2017 10:48:10 GMT
So you don't feel that subjectivity plays a part in anything and how we can perceive things differently when coming from the self? And if subjectivity is all just an illusion, then so is objectivity. It is after all, only a projection of the ego mindset. Perhaps then, none of it is real, or what you think of as real. Try this: climb to the top of a cliff or the roof of a tall building. Then jump off of it and tell yourself that there is no objective reality, and that if you subjectively believe you can float safely to the ground, this makes it so. Get back to us with a report on how this went.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 14, 2017 11:04:31 GMT
So you don't feel that subjectivity plays a part in anything and how we can perceive things differently when coming from the self? And if subjectivity is all just an illusion, then so is objectivity. It is after all, only a projection of the ego mindset. Perhaps then, none of it is real, or what you think of as real. Try this: climb to the top of a cliff or the roof of a tall building. Then jump off of it and tell yourself that there is no objective reality, and that if you subjectively believe you can float safely to the ground, this makes it so. Get back to us with a report on how this went. That action is just being foolish and extreme and wasn't the point I was making. You are playing devil's advocate again, and I could also take this as something you would literally prefer I do.
One only need drop any object of a building and see what happens to it. The law of gravity as we know it takes precedence. Any subjective aspect behind this does not apply to gravity, or any objective reality behind what is happening. It is a natural human instinct to want to protect the perishable body from harm, unless of course suicide was the intention. This would then take it into the more subjective realm, but that would only be privy to that of the individual who jumps. The body dies, the consequence behind that action is still inescapable.
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Post by faustus5 on Jun 14, 2017 16:39:21 GMT
The law of gravity as we know it takes precedence. Any subjective aspect behind this does not apply to gravity, or any objective reality behind what is happening.
Make up your mind: is there an objective reality or is everything an illusion?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 14, 2017 23:28:38 GMT
The law of gravity as we know it takes precedence. Any subjective aspect behind this does not apply to gravity, or any objective reality behind what is happening.
Make up your mind: is there an objective reality or is everything an illusion? At the end of the day, objectivity and subjectivity is all one and whole and the same. Don't think about something, subjectivity doesn't exist, don't think about something, objectivity doesn't exist. It is all an illusion, or in your case a delusion. 
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Post by faustus5 on Jun 15, 2017 11:28:06 GMT
At the end of the day, objectivity and subjectivity is all one and whole and the same. Demonstrating once again that you are just a child playing dress up at philosophy. All you can post is mindless, contentless drivel free of anything resembling discipline, education, or the slightest sign of hard work.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 15, 2017 12:33:44 GMT
At the end of the day, objectivity and subjectivity is all one and whole and the same. Demonstrating once again that you are just a child playing dress up at philosophy. All you can post is mindless, contentless drivel free of anything resembling discipline, education, or the slightest sign of hard work. Yes, you are hard work and hard headed. That will be, if not already, your ruination. You couldn't teach anyone jack that is grounded in anything "authentic", other than what you believe to be real and impressive, when the irony is, that it is all just mindless pseudo-intellectual academic drivel you spout. Enjoy patting all you colleagues on the back do you, with how impressive you think you all are, when in reality—or is that illusion—you know absolutely nothing? And the paradox here is, we are nothing; but not the nothing of being finite like you believe. What a horrid, rotten, pretentious ass you must be, to be around.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jun 18, 2017 15:41:31 GMT
Gotta love it when know-nothing morons come in a thread and start attacking one of the few people on this board who's actually, seriously, formally studied the subject. Anti-intellectualism and Dunning-Kruger hard at work. I have no idea why faustus is even wasting the time.
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Post by faustus5 on Jun 18, 2017 17:17:45 GMT
I have no idea why faustus is even wasting the time. I'm not a very wise person, that's why.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 19, 2017 10:05:57 GMT
I have no idea why faustus is even wasting the time. I'm not a very wise person, that's why. Yes, I know. Pleased that you have finally got it. You correlate your knowledge with wisdom, like most pretentious fools.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jun 19, 2017 22:53:40 GMT
I'm not a very wise person, that's why. Yes, I know. Pleased that you have finally got it. You correlate your knowledge with wisdom, like most pretentious fools. And you correlate your ignorance with wisdom, like most Dunning-Kruger victims.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 19, 2017 23:27:24 GMT
Yes, I know. Pleased that you have finally got it. You correlate your knowledge with wisdom, like most pretentious fools. And you correlate your ignorance with wisdom, like most Dunning-Kruger victims.  I can't help my god given superiority, now can I, over pseudo-intellectual snobs that think they have it all figured out and are really just as dense as mud. High IQ's, can also result in sociopatic tendencies. Yes, most Dunning-Kruger pretentious academia snobs, also believe that what they do, others should do just as well, because they can only think in terms of the "self". Delusional narcissists too, just as much as they are sociopaths. With my ultra-superiority and abundant self-awareness, how I pity these insects. 
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jun 19, 2017 23:49:34 GMT
And with that we're done.
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