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Post by nausea on Jun 20, 2017 18:22:36 GMT
your thoughts can influence your reality.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 20, 2017 22:45:21 GMT
And with that we're done. That's nice. Good riddance!
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jun 20, 2017 22:46:30 GMT
your thoughts can influence your reality. Right on curly-hair!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 0:10:04 GMT
Our thoughts shape reality around us. If one sees themselves as a victim they will always be a slave
If one breaks themselves loose from mental slavery then they are free
If we have hate and anger and rage in our hearts that radiates outwards and the energy we get back from the universe will match that
If we are positive and have kindness and love that radiates outwards too
It all begins with the individual on a daily basis
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Post by gadreel on Jun 27, 2017 19:48:32 GMT
Scrappily written, but here's something I thought interesting, given the recent discussion had here: Bit late to the conversation, but this is one of the basic principles of Hermetic philosophy. The universe is not real, from the perspective of the infinite it is fleeting and not made of real objects but made up on energy interacting with other energy, but from the perspective of the finite, this is a solid table, that is a solid apple etc. In essence the point is that it does not really matter if the universe is real or not, in our current (perhaps only) incarnation, it must be treated as real. EDIT: And I just realised you said conciousness not universe, oh well I enjoyed my post 
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Post by general313 on Jun 27, 2017 21:07:35 GMT
Scrappily written, but here's something I thought interesting, given the recent discussion had here: Bit late to the conversation, but this is one of the basic principles of Hermetic philosophy. The universe is not real, from the perspective of the infinite it is fleeting and not made of real objects but made up on energy interacting with other energy, but from the perspective of the finite, this is a solid table, that is a solid apple etc. In essence the point is that it does not really matter if the universe is real or not, in our current (perhaps only) incarnation, it must be treated as real. EDIT: And I just realised you said conciousness not universe, oh well I enjoyed my post Interesting, and I think the point can be made regardless of whether you're talking about consciousness or the universe. If determining if something is real or not involves measurement of some kind, then it is all relative, just as a kilogram can only be defined in reference to other objects or manifestations of this universe.
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Post by gadreel on Jun 27, 2017 21:22:04 GMT
Bit late to the conversation, but this is one of the basic principles of Hermetic philosophy. The universe is not real, from the perspective of the infinite it is fleeting and not made of real objects but made up on energy interacting with other energy, but from the perspective of the finite, this is a solid table, that is a solid apple etc. In essence the point is that it does not really matter if the universe is real or not, in our current (perhaps only) incarnation, it must be treated as real. EDIT: And I just realised you said conciousness not universe, oh well I enjoyed my post Interesting, and I think the point can be made regardless of whether you're talking about consciousness or the universe. If determining if something is real or not involves measurement of some kind, then it is all relative, just as a kilogram can only be defined in reference to other objects or manifestations of this universe. Yeah. It exposes a truth of the universe as well, the paradox that what is true is not really true from a different perspective. I suppose you could say that 'god' (or whatever you think the totality of the universe is), is the reference point for the actual truth, but then what is the reference point for the actual truth in god's universe?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 2, 2017 7:06:19 GMT
Consciousness is all that there is, the rest is illusionary.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 4, 2017 14:34:13 GMT
Consciousness is all that there is, the rest is illusionary. In which case here you are talking to yourself, since only the awareness of this exchange is real, not any supposed interlocutor..
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 6, 2017 8:54:48 GMT
Consciousness is all that there is, the rest is illusionary. In which case here you are talking to yourself, since only the awareness of this exchange is real, not any supposed interlocutor.. The illusion is me talking to you online and expressing my thoughts through words. I only know of your existence through cyber space at this present at the present moment I am typing this. You are not real to me and neither is the illusion of what I perceive to be doing. This is only action and a creation of my present mindset, the consequence of which you will either respond to me and tell me your own thoughts, or you could ignore this message all together. No point in me pre-empting your response or even expecting one. Whatever your action will be, is also illusion. When we don't think about something or somebody, is it existing?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 6, 2017 9:17:21 GMT
In which case here you are talking to yourself, since only the awareness of this exchange is real, not any supposed interlocutor.. The illusion is me talking to you online and expressing my thoughts through words. I only know of your existence through cyber space at this present at the present moment I am typing this. You are not real to me and neither is the illusion of what I perceive to be doing. This is only action and a creation of my present mindset, the consequence of which you will either respond to me and tell me your own thoughts, or you could ignore this message all together. No point in me pre-empting your response or even expecting one. Whatever your action will be, is also illusion. When we don't think about something or somebody, is it existing?
You can't know of my existence through cyberspace as cyberspace is not your consciousness. You said "Consciousness is all that there is, the rest is illusionary." Hence, for the only perceiving mind (yours) you know exists for certain, this reply is illusionary, or at least "not real to you" in so far it purports to represent anything further more than yourself and your consciousness. (I know you didn't say "My consciousness is all there is", but the standing implication is that you consider others a likely illusion and so this is what is meant) You ought to know either way, since you admit that this is, in effect, only you reminding yourself this.
Also, if I (i.e. my consciousness) am 'not real to you', then why are you continuing to speak to the acknowledged unreal which is always an illusion? Haven't you better things to be doing with 'your' reality instead?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 6, 2017 10:04:16 GMT
The illusion is me talking to you online and expressing my thoughts through words. I only know of your existence through cyber space at this present at the present moment I am typing this. You are not real to me and neither is the illusion of what I perceive to be doing. This is only action and a creation of my present mindset, the consequence of which you will either respond to me and tell me your own thoughts, or you could ignore this message all together. No point in me pre-empting your response or even expecting one. Whatever your action will be, is also illusion. When we don't think about something or somebody, is it existing?
You can't know of my existence through cyberspace as cyberspace is not your consciousness. You said "Consciousness is all that there is, the rest is illusionary." Hence, for the only perceiving mind (yours) you know exists for certain, this reply is illusionary, or at least "not real to you" in so far it purports to represent anything further more than yourself and your consciousness. (I know you didn't say "My consciousness is all there is, but the standing implication is that you consider others a likely illusion) You will forgive me if things are to be taken by what you say. You ought to know, since you admit that this is, in effect, only you telling yourself this.
Also, if I (i.e. my consciousness) am 'not real to you', then why are you continuing to speak to the acknowledged unreal which is always an illusion? Haven't you better things to be doing with 'your' reality instead?
Who's reality, yours or mine? What either of us perceive as real and tangible is only happening in that present moment. I use the cyberspace term loosely, as this is how I believe the illusion of my communication is happening, or how I perceive it to be happening. Your existence isn't real to me anymore than your responses. Even if I was standing in front of you face to face, you are still only a projection and extension of what I perceive my reality to be. It all stems from the mind and is all a dream within a dream. It is how I interact with what is before me and what I see as reality, which is the litmus test to transcend the ego-mindset and the attachment to the sense of physical and mind self.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 6, 2017 10:19:53 GMT
Who's reality, yours or mine? What either of us ... You have already told me (as just your illusion if other than your consciousness) than I am "not real" so there can be no real 'either of us'. What you are telling (yourself) is that yours is the only reality that can be vouched for so point in considering otherwise. I can only ask again: why you are spending so much time in disputing with something you already acknowledge to yourself as unreal? As apparently the only consciousness in the room., only you can say.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 6, 2017 11:18:30 GMT
Who's reality, yours or mine? What either of us ... You have already told me (as just your illusion if other than your consciousness) than I am "not real" so there can be no real 'either of us'. What you are telling (yourself) is that yours is the only reality that can be vouched for so point in considering otherwise. I can only ask again: why you are spending so much time in disputing with something you already acknowledge to yourself as unreal? As apparently the only consciousness in the room., only you can say. My reality IS THE only reality I can vouch for, as it is not yours. You may think of me as real, if that is the perception of your own reality. I can and will treat all within my reality as real, but ultimately, every moment I am experiencing is all an illusion\projection of what my mind only believes to be real. If I am "disputing" here, it is because I am communicating on a chat thread about consciousness being an illusion, so I am giving my spin on it. That is my purpose for being here. It doesn't even matter why and need not be judged.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 6, 2017 11:40:25 GMT
You have already told me (as just your illusion if other than your consciousness) than I am "not real" so there can be no real 'either of us'. What you are telling (yourself) is that yours is the only reality that can be vouched for so point in considering otherwise. I can only ask again: why you are spending so much time in disputing with something you already acknowledge to yourself as unreal? As apparently the only consciousness in the room., only you can say. My reality IS THE only reality I can vouch for, as it is not yours. You may think of me as real, if that is the perception of your own reality. I can and will treat all within my reality as real, but ultimately, every moment I am experiencing is all an illusion\projection of what my mind only believes to be real. If I am "disputing" here, it is because I am communicating on a chat thread about consciousness being an illusion, so I am giving my spin on it. That is my purpose for being here. It doesn't even matter why and need not be judged.
Yes, that's right; you said that the 'only thing is real to me is my consciousness', which is without hedging at all (as in the latest insight, above: ".. what my mind only believes to be real" etc), so on your own acknowledgement, what would be any other is just an illusion, as far as you know. Hence as presumably you, I am here to remind myself that, in this case, talking about, and with an illusion, is just a waste of time since one can assume that you already know what I know. To show otherwise you need to persuade yourself that other consciousnesses are real. Meanwhile despite what you just told yourself, as necessarily 'you' and not really anything else real, I remain free to judge yourself. I hope that helps me.
Also, you mention communicating on a chat thread, but in your own words this just perpetuates unreality, since "You are not real to me and neither is the illusion of what I perceive to be doing".
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 6, 2017 11:58:55 GMT
My reality IS THE only reality I can vouch for, as it is not yours. You may think of me as real, if that is the perception of your own reality. I can and will treat all within my reality as real, but ultimately, every moment I am experiencing is all an illusion\projection of what my mind only believes to be real. If I am "disputing" here, it is because I am communicating on a chat thread about consciousness being an illusion, so I am giving my spin on it. That is my purpose for being here. It doesn't even matter why and need not be judged.
Yes, that's right; you said that the 'only thing is real to me is my consciousness', which is without hedging at all (as in the latest insight, above: ".. what my mind only believes to be real" etc), so on your own acknowledgement, what would be any other is just an illusion, as far as you know. Hence as presumably you, I am here to remind myself that, in this case, talking about, and with an illusion, is just a waste of time since one can assume that you already know what I know. To show otherwise you need to persuade yourself that other consciousnesses are real. Meanwhile despite what you just told yourself, as necessarily 'you' and not really anything else real, I remain free to judge yourself. I hope that helps me.
Also, you mention communicating on a chat thread, but in your own words this just perpetuates unreality, since "You are not real to me and neither is the illusion of what I perceive to be doing".
And the point you are attempting to make is?
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 6, 2017 14:23:09 GMT
The person who wrote that article is wrong. Consciousness is not created by the brain.
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Post by PanLeo on Jul 6, 2017 14:58:18 GMT
Your mind is not your conscious awareness. This goes way beyond the ego mind. The brain functions the motor responses in our "physical" body and caches the experiences and memories within that physical experience. But what are these experiences and memories? When you don't think of something or someone, does it or do they even exist? Yes, facts and knowledge provide us with the ego ability to achieve and move forward, but this is all just an impermanent transition phase. You are forever, our bodies and memories aren't. "Your mind is not your conscious awareness." Yes it is. There's no good reason to believe otherwise. "Ego mind" is just garbage Freudianism. The brain does things that aren't mental, sure. When you don't think of something or someone, it doesn't exist as a thought. I know you wrote this ages ago but what's wrong with Freud?
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Post by general313 on Jul 6, 2017 15:27:35 GMT
"Your mind is not your conscious awareness." Yes it is. There's no good reason to believe otherwise. "Ego mind" is just garbage Freudianism. The brain does things that aren't mental, sure. When you don't think of something or someone, it doesn't exist as a thought. I know you wrote this ages ago but what's wrong with Freud? He failed to perform scientific experiments to validate his theories and most of his theories have since been disproven.
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Post by PanLeo on Jul 6, 2017 16:37:09 GMT
I know you wrote this ages ago but what's wrong with Freud? He failed to perform scientific experiments to validate his theories and most of his theories have since been disproven. Only some if his theories have been disproven. He has still made valuable contributions to psychology such as the superego-ego-id model, the conscious, preconscious and unconscious model, defence mechanisms, transference, cathexis, free association etc
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