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Post by faustus5 on Jul 6, 2017 16:49:01 GMT
The person who wrote that article is wrong. Consciousness is not created by the brain.
I'm afraid it is, as all available evidence indicates. I know you're partial to that scientifically and philosophically illiterate "radio receiver" idea, but all that does is show the depths of your ignorance. |
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 6, 2017 17:15:02 GMT
The person who wrote that article is wrong. Consciousness is not created by the brain.
I'm afraid it is, as all available evidence indicates. I know you're partial to that scientifically and philosophically illiterate "radio receiver" idea, but all that does is show the depths of your ignorance.
www.bbc.com/future/story/20141216-can-you-live-with-half-a-brain
As long as YOU don't have a full understanding of how the brain works, then you are full of shit.
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Post by general313 on Jul 6, 2017 17:55:52 GMT
He failed to perform scientific experiments to validate his theories and most of his theories have since been disproven. Only some if his theories have been disproven. He has still made valuable contributions to psychology such as the superego-ego-id model, the conscious, preconscious and unconscious model, defence mechanisms, transference, cathexis, free association etc Yeah, I agree. The current view on Freud is probably only partly justified, but exaggerated as a result of infighting among the schools of psychology. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 7, 2017 4:37:04 GMT
The person who wrote that article is wrong. Consciousness is not created by the brain.
I'm afraid it is, as all available evidence indicates. I know you're partial to that scientifically and philosophically illiterate "radio receiver" idea, but all that does is show the depths of your ignorance. Oh, the irony! For all your presumed intelligence and purported knowledge, you are only scraping the surface and refuse to go deep enough. I think you are just afraid and lack the courage to move forward, in-case all the other pretentious buffoons you hang around with would ostracize you. You would miss all those phony congratulatory pats on the back. Yes, it does show the depths of your ignorance. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 7, 2017 9:00:45 GMT
Yes, that's right; you said that the 'only thing is real to me is my consciousness', which is without hedging at all (as in the latest insight, above: ".. what my mind only believes to be real" etc), so on your own acknowledgement, what would be any other is just an illusion, as far as you know. Hence as presumably you, I am here to remind myself that, in this case, talking about, and with an illusion, is just a waste of time since one can assume that you already know what I know. To show otherwise you need to persuade yourself that other consciousnesses are real. Meanwhile despite what you just told yourself, as necessarily 'you' and not really anything else real, I remain free to judge yourself. I hope that helps me.
Also, you mention communicating on a chat thread, but in your own words this just perpetuates unreality, since "You are not real to me and neither is the illusion of what I perceive to be doing".
And the point you are attempting to make is? Whatever it is you are presently telling yourself, everything else being an illusion and so not being real, as you assert, obviously. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 7, 2017 9:06:46 GMT
I'm afraid it is, as all available evidence indicates. I know you're partial to that scientifically and philosophically illiterate "radio receiver" idea, but all that does is show the depths of your ignorance.
www.bbc.com/future/story/20141216-can-you-live-with-half-a-brain
As long as YOU don't have a full understanding of how the brain works, then you are full of shit.
Show someone conscious with their brain entirely missing and then you will have a point. |
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Post by faustus5 on Jul 7, 2017 10:32:21 GMT
No, I'm afraid you are the one who is ignorant and can't explain for a fact what consciousness is.
We already have a successful working model of consciousness in cognitive neuroscience, moron. It's called the global neuronal workspace. There are no reasonable alternatives currently being explored by mainstream science. Meanwhile, why don't you explain to us what particles consciousness is carried on and show what parts of the brain receive them, and how. You can't. Because your idiotic ideas have no basis in reality. This is well known and unremarkable. The brain has amazing properties of what scientists call plasticity, where areas that are damaged or missing have their functions taken over by other areas. But the fact remains that someone with damage to large portions of their brains, particularly if the damage occurs late in life, will lose some cognitive capacities, and this is all because consciousness is produced by the brain. You don't have any understanding whatsoever, so you are beyond full of shit. |
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Post by faustus5 on Jul 7, 2017 10:35:00 GMT
For all your presumed intelligence and purported knowledge, you are only scraping the surface and refuse to go deep enough. Says the idiot loser who is proud for never having done the hard work of actually studying the subject and learning what the best and brightest minds have to say about it. You are all surface and nothing else, a walking joke. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 7, 2017 10:57:40 GMT
For all your presumed intelligence and purported knowledge, you are only scraping the surface and refuse to go deep enough. Says the idiot loser who is proud for never having done the hard work of actually studying the subject and learning what the best and brightest minds have to say about it. You are all surface and nothing else, a walking joke. Yes, you are a joke and you are not as bright as you like to think you are. Many of these best minds were full of there own pompous ass arrogance and confused complicated mindsets, just so they could impress upon their peers for validation of how great they thought they were. Read the Vedas instead, you are intelligent enough to break out of your current stagnation of what you only believe to be truth about the science and nature of the universe. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 7, 2017 13:35:53 GMT
Why should he when, just earlier, you have insisted that "Consciousness is all that there is, the rest is illusionary.". The Vedas are not 'consciousness' and so must be illusionary. Recommending what you must perforce acknowledge is not real is not good advice. Again, you cannot make claims about the existence of intelligence (or not) of any one else, since only recently you have insisted that " My reality IS THE only reality I can vouch for, as it is not yours." I hope that helps. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 7, 2017 13:49:34 GMT
Why should he when, just earlier, you have insisted that "Consciousness is all that there is, the rest is illusionary.". The Vedas are not 'consciousness' and so must be illusionary. Recommending what you must perforce acknowledge is not real is not good advice. Again, you cannot make claims about the existence of intelligence (or not) of any one else, since only recently you have insisted that " My reality IS THE only reality I can vouch for, as it is not yours." I hope that helps. You will just have to come into your own self-awareness about the intelligence of conciousness awareness, beyond the notion of the ego mind and what you perceive as physical matter being the be all end all. You are creating your own reality, or what you think of as reality. It is all a mirror image/reflection, therefore illusion. The proof is right there before your very eyes and in your life. I hope that helps. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 7, 2017 14:06:09 GMT
You will just have to come into your own self-awareness about the intelligence of conciousness awareness, beyond the notion of the ego mind and what you perceive as physical matter being the be all end all. You are creating your own reality, or what you think of as reality. It is all a mirror image/reflection, therefore illusion. The proof is right there before your very eyes and in your life. I hope that helps.
I can only repeat what I said above, which applies to your last observation too, that you cannot make claims about the existence of intelligence (or not) of any one else, or its purported working, or potential for self-awareness by which means another reality would be vouched for, since only recently you have insisted that "My reality IS THE only reality I can vouch for, as it is not yours."
In fact I am still confused why you feel you can consider me at all in such a concrete way since apparently everything beyond your consciousness is an illusion.
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Post by faustus5 on Jul 7, 2017 16:46:24 GMT
Many of these best minds were full of there own pompous ass arrogance and confused complicated mindsets, just so they could impress upon their peers for validation of how great they thought they were. Give a specific example where one of the most respected, mainstream experts on consciousness, either from a neurological perspective or a philosophical perspective, has been wrong and then prove they were wrong. Oh, wait--that would require that you actually knew enough about the subject to think of a name, cite something they've said, then articulate why what they said is wrong. But since you dedicated your life to remaining a complete ignoramus, this task is literally impossible, even though examples do exist. What does not exist is any evidence that the greatest minds on the subject did so just to impress others for egotistical reasons. That's just your batshit know-nothing lunacy talking. Name a single result from the Vedas which has helped somebody with a neurological illness. Name a single claim made there that can be falsified or verified by controlled scientific observation. You can't. I won't bother to waste my time reading a mess of babbling fairy tales written by people who were as ignorant as you are about a subject only Western science has made advances in. You see, unlike you, I have standards. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 8, 2017 7:57:46 GMT
Many of these best minds were full of there own pompous ass arrogance and confused complicated mindsets, just so they could impress upon their peers for validation of how great they thought they were. Give a specific example where one of the most respected, mainstream experts on consciousness, either from a neurological perspective or a philosophical perspective, has been wrong and then prove they were wrong. Oh, wait--that would require that you actually knew enough about the subject to think of a name, cite something they've said, then articulate why what they said is wrong. But since you dedicated your life to remaining a complete ignoramus, this task is literally impossible, even though examples do exist. What does not exist is any evidence that the greatest minds on the subject did so just to impress others for egotistical reasons. That's just your batshit know-nothing lunacy talking. Name a single result from the Vedas which has helped somebody with a neurological illness. Name a single claim made there that can be falsified or verified by controlled scientific observation. You can't. I won't bother to waste my time reading a mess of babbling fairy tales written by people who were as ignorant as you are about a subject only Western science has made advances in. You see, unlike you, I have standards.All your response has done is reiterate your own ignorance and how wrong you really are. Yes, you are egotistical and while Western science\medicine is great with the diagnostic aspect of illness, they rely more on fixing the symptoms and not treating the cause. Typical arrogant, narrow-sighted Westernized quick fixes. The Vedas ARE pure science and take into account all aspects of the Universal order of things. You don't connect, or don't appear connected, this is where most ultimately struggle in their lives. I won't waste my time reading a mess of philosophical, pompous ass rhetoric about the meaning of it all is, when it is right there in the Vedas and before our very eyes, within the very essence of our lives. Fool! |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 8, 2017 8:10:04 GMT
You will just have to come into your own self-awareness about the intelligence of conciousness awareness, beyond the notion of the ego mind and what you perceive as physical matter being the be all end all. You are creating your own reality, or what you think of as reality. It is all a mirror image/reflection, therefore illusion. The proof is right there before your very eyes and in your life. I hope that helps.
I can only repeat what I said above, which applies to your last observation too, that you cannot make claims about the existence of intelligence (or not) of any one else, or its purported working, or potential for self-awareness by which means another reality would be vouched for, since only recently you have insisted that "My reality IS THE only reality I can vouch for, as it is not yours."
In fact I am still confused why you feel you can consider me at all in such a concrete way since apparently everything beyond your consciousness is an illusion.
You are attempting to refute or debunk what I have commented on and just talking around in circles. It is the conscious mind that is considering you, not what you or I perceive as concrete reality. There is also no I.
Yes, IT IS ALL ILLUSION and regardless of who's reality it is, I can only share my experience or understanding of what this discussion is about. It is called communication. That is also part of the illusion.
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Post by faustus5 on Jul 8, 2017 11:09:58 GMT
The Vedas ARE pure science and take into account all aspects of the Universal order of things. If any more evidence were needed that you don't even possess a three year old's understanding of what science is, this post was a slam-dunk. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 9, 2017 0:24:38 GMT
The Vedas ARE pure science and take into account all aspects of the Universal order of things. If any more evidence were needed that you don't even possess a three year old's understanding of what science is, this post was a slam-dunk. Pfffffft! You're only scratching the surface. Pleased you are educated, knowledgeable and erudite; but oh so misguided and not to mention ignorant. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 10, 2017 8:45:49 GMT
You are attempting to refute or debunk what I have commented on and just talking around in circles. No, I am simply viewing what you say in the light of your own just previous assertions. This seems a perfectly reasonably reference to make. Er ... how can there be 'no I' if, just earlier, you have assured me that it is only 'you' that you know is real? Have you thought this through? Incidentally, it is still not sure how you can vouch for me, or anything other than you, since earlier you have assured me that " ("My reality is THE only reality I can vouch for, as it is not yours.") i.e. you cannot say what I perceive or not. This is the same issue as I raised just before. Is there a problem?
In which case, as already asked: why are you talking to an illusion? Don't you have better things to do, like contemplating your navel?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 10, 2017 9:16:50 GMT
You are attempting to refute or debunk what I have commented on and just talking around in circles. No, I am simply viewing what you say in the light of your own just previous assertions. This seems a perfectly reasonably reference to make. Oh I see, so you don't represent a conscious mind here then? And how can there be 'no I' if, just earlier, you have assured me that it is only 'you' that you know is real? Have you thought this through?
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In which case, as already asked: why are you talking to an illusion? Don't you have better things to do, like contemplating your navel?
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The ego mindset wants us to believe it is all real. It is all projection. Work needs to be done to transcend above the ego notion of "I". Having an understanding that the fixed physical notion of the ego mindset is all illusion can assist in ones purpose and contribution in this here lifetime. This is a tool that assists us and allows more open awareness away from physical entrapment, attachments and sufferings of this realm. This online discussion has been manifested\created between us, and perhaps then what is being expressed is what needs to be heard. I can only take away from what you say, what I feel is resonate and connecting with my own truth and the same for you. It is at the end of the day however, all one and whole and complete. It doesn't really matter what is said, because it is really all illusion and just is.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 10, 2017 9:27:24 GMT
The ego mindset wants us to believe it is all real. Speaking of an 'us' and what we can perceive, and something apart from the one (you) which is the apparently only reality, undermines all you said earlier. Just saying.
But once again, and for the last time: if it 'doesn't really matter what is said', and you have already told me (even though I am apparently unreal since the only thing that is, is your consciousness) and that you 'cannot vouch' for much, not even the 'perceived reality of what (one is) doing', then why are you still going on with this?
I'm sure not, since speaking to someone who thinks he is talking to himself is going nowhere. But give my regards to the conscious mind LOL
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