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Post by klawrencio79 on Mar 6, 2019 18:12:39 GMT
phillies signing carlos Santana last year to a 3 year $60 mil contract and watching him bat at the Mendoza line all season but listen to stat dorks state - 'yeah well - he gets on base and draws walks and has a great .OBP!' good riddance The money was a lot, yeah, but Santana was nowhere near as bad as you make him out to be. 24 homers, 84 RBI, and yessir, he was adept at getting on base which is a valuable attribute. In fact, aside from a slight dip in average, his numbers were pretty much in line for the rest of his career. Plus, if he simply had 12 more singles over the course of the entire season, his average would have been .240 and people who don't understand that batting average doesn't exist in a vacuum would have had the entirety of their already meritless argument evaporate like a fart in the wind. While I wouldn't have signed him to that per annum contract, especially given that 1B was Rhys Hoskins natural position, the mere notion that Santana belongs in this thread is silly. You do know that the Ryan Howard contract actually crippled the franchise, right?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 18:25:16 GMT
phillies signing carlos Santana last year to a 3 year $60 mil contract and watching him bat at the Mendoza line all season but listen to stat dorks state - 'yeah well - he gets on base and draws walks and has a great .OBP!' good riddance The money was a lot, yeah, but Santana was nowhere near as bad as you make him out to be. 24 homers, 84 RBI, and yessir, he was adept at getting on base which is a valuable attribute. In fact, aside from a slight dip in average, his numbers were pretty much in line for the rest of his career. Plus, if he simply had 12 more singles over the course of the entire season, his average would have been .240 and people who don't understand that batting average doesn't exist in a vacuum would have had the entirety of their already meritless argument evaporate like a fart in the wind. While I wouldn't have signed him to that per annum contract, especially given that 1B was Rhys Hoskins natural position, the mere notion that Santana belongs in this thread is silly. You do know that the Ryan Howard contract actually crippled the franchise, right? The Ryan Howard deal was the right deal at the time. If memory serves - Pujols and Fielder were also free agents that year. Rubes wanted to set the market so to speak and re-sign his homegrown first baseman. Howard had an epic tear over a 5 year span that was off the charts - it was the right move at the time - re-sign your own (if memory serves the contract was signed before Pujols and Fielder) and possibly actually make out like a bandit in the deal not knowing what Pujols/Fielder were going to get. Nobody saw his epic collapse coming at all (as well as the rest of the team) People can bash Amaro all they want - it's unfair criticism IMO - many sports fans tear apart upper management for not keeping a 'core' together - that's exactly what Amaro did - and he locked up Howard longterm. Carlos Santana - now that right there sir was wasted money - that cat provided squat. Adios.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 18:28:27 GMT
I see. If the Phils don't make the playoffs all will be for naught. I don't see Trout going anywhere as he's the face of the Angels franchise. He may be the face of the Angels franchise just like LeBron was the face of the Cavs, Heat...... That means Jack. Cat wants to 'come home'. Who can blame him?
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Post by klawrencio79 on Mar 6, 2019 18:36:01 GMT
The money was a lot, yeah, but Santana was nowhere near as bad as you make him out to be. 24 homers, 84 RBI, and yessir, he was adept at getting on base which is a valuable attribute. In fact, aside from a slight dip in average, his numbers were pretty much in line for the rest of his career. Plus, if he simply had 12 more singles over the course of the entire season, his average would have been .240 and people who don't understand that batting average doesn't exist in a vacuum would have had the entirety of their already meritless argument evaporate like a fart in the wind. While I wouldn't have signed him to that per annum contract, especially given that 1B was Rhys Hoskins natural position, the mere notion that Santana belongs in this thread is silly. You do know that the Ryan Howard contract actually crippled the franchise, right? The Ryan Howard deal was the right deal at the time. If memory serves - Pujols and Fielder were also free agents that year. Rubes wanted to set the market so to speak and re-sign his homegrown first baseman. Howard had an epic tear over a 5 year span that was off the charts - it was the right move at the time - re-sign your own (if memory serves the contract was signed before Pujols and Fielder) and possibly actually make out like a bandit in the deal not knowing what Pujols/Fielder were going to get. Nobody saw his epic collapse coming at all (as well as the rest of the team)People can bash Amaro all they want - it's unfair criticism IMO - many sports fans tear apart upper management for not keeping a 'core' together - that's exactly what Amaro did - and he locked up Howard longterm.Carlos Santana - now that right there sir was wasted money - that cat provided squat. Adios. Howard was 30 at the time of the contract and every baseball man saw what they called "old man skills." Home runs and striking out in 1/3 of his ABs, deteriorating hand speed, etc. Guys of that size don't age well so to give him that contract, at that time, was the wrong move. Even Philly writers called it at the time. I hear you about keeping the core together, and teams do this all the time with granting huge extensions to their home grown guys (the Mets did it with David Wright) but if you can remove emotion from it, the smart move is to let him walk. You pay the guy for what he will give you, not for the back of his baseball card.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 18:49:41 GMT
Howard was 30 at the time of the contract and every baseball man saw what they called "old man skills." Home runs and striking out in 1/3 of his ABs, deteriorating hand speed, etc. Guys of that size don't age well so to give him that contract, at that time, was the wrong move. Even Philly writers called it at the time. I hear you about keeping the core together, and teams do this all the time with granting huge extensions to their home grown guys (the Mets did it with David Wright) but if you can remove emotion from it, the smart move is to let him walk. You pay the guy for what he will give you, not for the back of his baseball card. I respectfully disagree. You don't let a guy 'Walk' (especially a home grown talent who contributed to a WS - the fanbase would have been up in arms) who: Was a 3 time All-Star, NL MVP, NL Rookie of the Year, NLCS MVP, won the Silver Slugger and Hank Aaron Awards, was a 2 time Home Run Leader and a 3 Time RBI Leader. You don't let that 'Walk' when he's 30. You lock him up and have him retire here.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 6, 2019 19:00:21 GMT
Chargers - Ryan Leaf. Enough said. As for Wests Tigers - it’s a veritable horror movie of bad signings, dud deals and players underperforming on big money. Nobody thought Ryan Leaf was a stupid pick. The only question was, who was the better prospect, Leaf or Peyton Manning. Leaf was the "high risk, high reward" guy and the Colts went for the safe pick. The Chargers gleefully traded up for Leaf. Look at the Bolts starting QB's from Dan Fouts to that point. Their mistake was the way they handled Leaf. They should have disciplined him more harshly when he started acting up (about 15 minutes after he signed). But no one thought Leaf would be the shipwreck he was. This wasn't EJ Manuel or JaMarcus Russell.
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 7, 2019 2:38:09 GMT
Chargers - Ryan Leaf. Enough said. As for Wests Tigers - it’s a veritable horror movie of bad signings, dud deals and players underperforming on big money. Nobody thought Ryan Leaf was a stupid pick. The only question was, who was the better prospect, Leaf or Peyton Manning. Leaf was the "high risk, high reward" guy and the Colts went for the safe pick. The Chargers gleefully traded up for Leaf. Look at the Bolts starting QB's from Dan Fouts to that point. Their mistake was the way they handled Leaf. They should have disciplined him more harshly when he started acting up (about 15 minutes after he signed). But no one thought Leaf would be the shipwreck he was. This wasn't EJ Manuel or JaMarcus Russell.
Leaf interviewed terribly. The Colts talked to him and Peyton. The latter immediately asked when the earliest possible time for him to take a look at the playbook to start learning would be. Leaf, however, had already planned a trip to Las Vegas with his buddies on the first day rookies would’ve been allowed to report. He wouldn’t commit to any optional rookie meetings in the event that the Colts drafted him. Leaf was far more immature.
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Post by tristramshandy on Mar 7, 2019 3:39:58 GMT
Steelers passing on Dan Marino in the 1984 draft because of cocaine rumors about him. Instead chose Gabe "Senor Sack" Rivera, who got paralyzed in a car accident his rookie year.
Steelers not drafting Emmitt Smith in the 1990 draft (and trading the pick that was used on him to the Cowboys) because they had drafted Tim Worley the year before.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 7, 2019 5:21:29 GMT
Leafs - Russ Courtnall for John Kordic ...essentially told me as a kid that sports was a business & the Leafs had an entire era of horrid business sense.
Jays - Still waiting for the likes of Marty Janzen, Kyle Drabek to be voted to the HOF.
Raptors - Vince Carter
Patriots - Laurence Maroney ...still available: DeAngelo Williams, Addai, Jones-Drew. To the Patriots credit of winning, they've never really drafted all that great. WR? lols
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Post by millar70 on Mar 7, 2019 6:01:38 GMT
In 2011, the Celtics had the best record in basketball when Danny Ainge decided to trade Kendrick Perkins to OKC for Jeff Green and some other schlubs. Perkins was never a great player, but was a huge part of the culture in Boston, and had worked very hard to come back from an injury sustained in Game 6 of the 2010 Finals.
He was an important part of the chemistry of a team that won a title in '08, got robbed of a title in '10, and had the best record in the NBA in 2011. And Ainge just totally destroyed the chemistry by trading him away. Celtics never recovered.
Awful move.....
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 7, 2019 16:17:48 GMT
Patriots - Laurence Maroney ...still available: DeAngelo Williams, Addai, Jones-Drew. To the Patriots credit of winning, they've never really drafted all that great. WR? lols That's probably why the Patriots cheat so much. Because they're not good at drafting. The 1990s Cowboys built their dynasty by making a very favorable trade (the Herschel Walker trade) and then drafting great players. The Patriots aren't good at drafting so they built their dynasty by cheating.
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Post by Geddy on Mar 7, 2019 17:52:36 GMT
I see. If the Phils don't make the playoffs all will be for naught. I don't see Trout going anywhere as he's the face of the Angels franchise. He may be the face of the Angels franchise just like LeBron was the face of the Cavs, Heat...... That means Jack. Cat wants to 'come home'. Who can blame him? Cat might want to come home,but Harper better cease encouraging it as the Commissioner's office can and will investigate for tampering.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 19:34:37 GMT
He may be the face of the Angels franchise just like LeBron was the face of the Cavs, Heat...... That means Jack. Cat wants to 'come home'. Who can blame him? Cat might want to come home,but Harper better cease encouraging it as the Commissioner's office can and will investigate for tampering. Gee - I wonder if he can pay the fine after signing that $330 million dollar contract
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Mar 7, 2019 19:39:38 GMT
Collingwood had some pretty bad ones before I was born, but not recently. Trading Mal Michael to Brisbane for Jarrod Molloy is the closest. Michael was the key defender in 3 Brisbane premierships, while Molloy had two good years, got a stress fracture that hampered him in his third year and endee his career in the 4th.
If you were a Sydney Swans fan you'd have heaps from the Rodney Eade era. Trading future HOFer Shannen Grant to North for Wayne Schwass in the twilight of his career (which in fairness stretched out to 4 years). Picking up 34 year old Brett Allison as a free agent in 2000. Trading All Australian ruckman Greg Stafford to Richmond for Nick Daffy who played one bad year and retired. I can't remember if they traded to get a 30yo Scott Russell off us or if we delisted him. Ironically, the best trade Eade ever made cost him his job! He traded away Nick Dal Santo and James Kelly, both future 300 gamers and amazingly talented 18 year olds for 23yo Saint Barry Hall in 2002. Halfway through 2002 Kelly and Dal Santo were in the discussion for the Rising Star award and Hall had underachieved at Sydney who were languishing with a 3-1-8 record and Eade was sacked. 3 years later Hall lifted the cup as Sydney's premiership captain, having eliminated Kelly's Geelong and Nick's Saints en route to the Cup.
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Post by GiantFan1980 on Mar 7, 2019 22:38:06 GMT
The Giants picking that slug Ereck Flowers over Todd Gurley in 2015. The guy sucked at his position, couldn't or wouldn't adjust and was accused of quitting on the Giants. They finally turfed him out in the first month of the 2018 season after looking like crap. Guy was always falling down and just looking like a fat oaf who didn't belong there. Meanwhile Gurley tore up the 2018 season and made a Super Bowl appearance.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Mar 7, 2019 23:32:14 GMT
The Giants picking that slug Ereck Flowers over Todd Gurley in 2015. The guy sucked at his position, couldn't or wouldn't adjust and was accused of quitting on the Giants. They finally turfed him out in the first month of the 2018 season after looking like crap. Guy was always falling down and just looking like a fat oaf who didn't belong there. Meanwhile Gurley tore up the 2018 season and made a Super Bowl appearance. You can set this shit to music - if you spell your name stupidly, stupid things happen to you. Fuck Eric Flowers.
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Post by raiderjedi on Mar 8, 2019 0:50:32 GMT
Jamarcus Russell
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Post by masterofallgoons on Mar 8, 2019 3:13:32 GMT
The Giants picking that slug Ereck Flowers over Todd Gurley in 2015. The guy sucked at his position, couldn't or wouldn't adjust and was accused of quitting on the Giants. They finally turfed him out in the first month of the 2018 season after looking like crap. Guy was always falling down and just looking like a fat oaf who didn't belong there. Meanwhile Gurley tore up the 2018 season and made a Super Bowl appearance. Worse move than Ron Dayne? Flowers was absolutely terrible but they wouldn't have gotten Barkley if they had picked you Gurley.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Mar 8, 2019 9:39:01 GMT
.......a team of yours has ever made ?? SAVE FERRIS I'm a Net fan. The list would be too long. I can tell you the best move was trading for Kidd
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 10, 2019 3:25:10 GMT
The Giants picking that slug Ereck Flowers over Todd Gurley in 2015. The guy sucked at his position, couldn't or wouldn't adjust and was accused of quitting on the Giants. They finally turfed him out in the first month of the 2018 season after looking like crap. Guy was always falling down and just looking like a fat oaf who didn't belong there. Meanwhile Gurley tore up the 2018 season and made a Super Bowl appearance. You can set this shit to music - if you spell your name stupidly, stupid things happen to you. Fuck Eric Flowers. ^ The best part about this article is that it can't decide which dumb spelling it is.
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