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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 6, 2019 20:24:01 GMT
England are a much tougher opponent than NZ IMO. This was a blow to Aus.
But I guess that to win the cup they’ll have to beat the best eventually.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 6, 2019 20:24:57 GMT
And I tell you that NZ are no chance against India.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jul 6, 2019 20:27:40 GMT
A negative for Australia: I'd rather play NZ than England.
A positive for England: I'd rather play Australia at Birmingham than Lord's.
Also look at the body language from the Aussies after the game. They were shattered. Could be meaningless, but if England win they'll be playing those scenes on a documentary with England players saying "they didn't want to play us again." Anyway. 4 days to regroup. Should be a hell of a game in the semis.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 6, 2019 20:35:36 GMT
A negative for Australia: I'd rather play NZ than England. A positive for England: I'd rather play Australia at Birmingham than Lord's. Also look at the body language from the Aussies after the game. They were shattered. Could be meaningless, but if England win they'll be playing those scenes on a documentary with England players saying "they didn't want to play us again." Anyway. 4 days to regroup. Should be a hell of a game in the semis. England has lately become a batting track bully. They will fancy their chances at Birmingham.
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Jul 6, 2019 20:44:03 GMT
A negative for Australia: I'd rather play NZ than England. A positive for England: I'd rather play Australia at Birmingham than Lord's. Also look at the body language from the Aussies after the game. They were shattered. Could be meaningless, but if England win they'll be playing those scenes on a documentary with England players saying "they didn't want to play us again." Anyway. 4 days to regroup. Should be a hell of a game in the semis. England has lately become a batting track bully. They will fancy their chances at Birmingham. Fortress Edgbaston - Will be awesome if the weather holds, atmosphere is always electric and England tend to respond. It's the match I prefer. Game On!
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 6, 2019 20:45:33 GMT
I still say the most important factor in these last few matches will be the toss. I accept that early wickets can be had by sending the opposition in first, but all remaining teams except NZ have strong top orders. Dismissing them would be nice but the trend this WC has been to see the top order out and work on what’s left. Australia have survived many times by defending relatively modest scores even with century opening stands in response.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 6, 2019 20:50:55 GMT
England has lately become a batting track bully. They will fancy their chances at Birmingham. Fortress Edgbaston - Will be awesome if the weather holds, atmosphere is always electric and England tend to respond. It's the match I prefer. Game On! I was scared of India facing English batting attack at Birmingham. I am now going to check bigfooty forum to see what Aussies are thinking of facing England.
England has a batting lineup that gives me nightmares. Tons of thanks to Proteas that we don't have to face England at Edgbaston.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jul 6, 2019 21:17:28 GMT
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jul 6, 2019 21:25:46 GMT
On the importance of the toss: it's been a strange tourney. England and India, on paper, should be strong chasing teams with good closers. Oz and NZ in theory aren't good chasing teams. Bat first and restrict with your bowlers. However England are 6-0 batting first and 0-3 batting second with only one of those losses being a challenging total. Oz and NZ have followed a similar pattern to England. India seem pretty comfortable either way. I think they have the best rounded team of anyone.
While NZ aren't that good, Australia can be batted out of games and England can be bowled out of them, India have a set up that gives them a chance in any situation.
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Jul 6, 2019 21:37:44 GMT
While NZ aren't that good, Australia can be batted out of games and England can be bowled out of them, India have a set up that gives them a chance in any situation. Yep, pretty much agree. The only thing to add really is that it's still foolish to rule out the Kiwis. They have a very skilled bowling attack capable of running through a team (which is why Boult should have been bowled out when Oz were on their knees), and if both Williamson and Taylor fire then any team in the world is going to be under pressure.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jul 6, 2019 22:07:49 GMT
NZ are, at best, a maybe team. Every year in the AFL there'll be a team who finishes 3rd or 4th who are clearly the 4th best team in it and maybe, if everything goes right for them and wrong for their opponents, they might make some noise. But they never do, because teams with such small margin for error who need help from their opponents to get there don't get that help when it matters.
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Post by weststigersbob on Jul 6, 2019 22:54:28 GMT
Pretty ordinary performance by Australia - with both bat and ball.
India and England massive favourites in each of their semis now. Australia’s Batting is floundering, as is NZ.
In fact, if NZ beat India, it will be the biggest WC upset of all time.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 6, 2019 23:50:28 GMT
Pretty ordinary performance by Australia - with both bat and ball. India and England massive favourites in each of their semis now. Australia’s Batting is floundering, as is NZ. In fact, if NZ beat India, it will be the biggest WC upset of all time. Australia didn’t perform but there are positive signs. Warner and Carey are in red hot form. Finch failed but he’s in fine form as well. Maxwell can fire at any time and if he does then goodnight. Khawaja is injured which is troubling. Then there’s Smith. A big score is just a round the corner for him IMO. Anyway that only leaves Stoinis. If they get off to a good start I’d drop him behind Carey. I guess Handscombe may have to replace Khawaja. It could all work. |
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jul 7, 2019 0:14:21 GMT
I'm not writing Australia off on one poor performance, but it is a bad time to get injuries and their performances are going backwards. They're looking similar to NZ in they need Warner to fire to get a respectable total and wickets from the opening bowlers to contain teams. While I have more faith in Oz's support players than NZ's, too much needs to go right for me to be confident. And again, the reaction after the loss diesn't fill me with confidence either. No team has ever lost their final group game and won the WC. I don't expect Australia to halt that trend.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jul 7, 2019 0:20:45 GMT
Another observation: the beauty of rivalry games. Amazing how an under performing basket case like SA this tourney can grow another leg to dent the aspirations of a hated rival. They had something much more important than pride at stake: they wanted to wound Australia and they got their shit together to do just that.
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Jul 7, 2019 0:54:02 GMT
Another observation: the beauty of rivalry games. Amazing how an under performing basket case like SA this tourney can grow another leg to dent the aspirations of a hated rival. They had something much more important than pride at stake: they wanted to wound Australia and they got their shit together to do just that. Hee, very true, that was a completely different Proteas side. Questions should be asked about where have they been all tournament...
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Post by weststigersbob on Jul 7, 2019 1:14:56 GMT
Completely different game if Carey stumps vd Dussen when he was on 4. Smith then had a chance to run him out and missed with a reasonably easy throw. Miss chances, lose games. South Africa missed none.
Australia and New Zealand both have the personnel to win, but neither have gotten anywhere near a 11 man performance yet. NZ Batting is reliant on Williamson more than any other team this tournament. Guptill and Latham have done nothing. Likewise, Australia seemingly cannot get a really big total batting first - every innings has stalled. Last Night they proved that they simply cannot chase. The only side in the world over the last 5 years that has been any chop at chasing anything is India.
I expect England to absolutely crush Australia. I just get this feeling they will win by about 80.
For some reason though I think India v NZ will be close.
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Jul 7, 2019 3:33:58 GMT
i expect india to beat the kiwis on current form. but BOULT is a slippery customer.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 7, 2019 5:36:31 GMT
Completely different game if Carey stumps vd Dussen when he was on 4. Smith then had a chance to run him out and missed with a reasonably easy throw. Miss chances, lose games. South Africa missed none. Australia and New Zealand both have the personnel to win, but neither have gotten anywhere near a 11 man performance yet. NZ Batting is reliant on Williamson more than any other team this tournament. Guptill and Latham have done nothing. Likewise, Australia seemingly cannot get a really big total batting first - every innings has stalled. Last Night they proved that they simply cannot chase. The only side in the world over the last 5 years that has been any chop at chasing anything is India. I expect England to absolutely crush Australia. I just get this feeling they will win by about 80. For some reason though I think India v NZ will be close. I think England should be considered a very slight favourite to win against Australia. But the game will be competitive.
Guptil & Kane have great records against India so that would be their hope. Or else their bowlers causing early damages. India totally relies on its Rohit/Kohli.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 7, 2019 7:41:30 GMT
I'm not writing Australia off on one poor performance, but it is a bad time to get injuries and their performances are going backwards. They're looking similar to NZ in they need Warner to fire to get a respectable total and wickets from the opening bowlers to contain teams. While I have more faith in Oz's support players than NZ's, too much needs to go right for me to be confident. And again, the reaction after the loss diesn't fill me with confidence either. No team has ever lost their final group game and won the WC. I don't expect Australia to halt that trend. Lyon begins the mind games - World Cup England's to lose.
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