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Post by mikef6 on May 29, 2017 2:48:23 GMT
Great comments, mike. I just wanted to add this formula: A + B = C. Shot A married to shot B equals an emotional response [C] that A & B don't have by themselves. I don't know about the inability of researchers to duplicate the Kuleshov effect, but I know from my own experience that this is the truth about film editing and in particular about the technique and power of montage, one of the great cinematic elements that deepens and enriches the viewing experience. The Russian School, so called in the days of Kuleshov, Eisenstein and others, discovered this technique by taking apart the American films of (mostly) Griffith and reassembling them in different ways to discern their emotional impacts and potentials. Lord, the development of this medium is so interesting and so diverse! And what people where doing when film was still more or less in its infancy is simply amazing. Oh, I believe in the Kuleshov effect also. As someone once said: movies are put together by “bits and pieces.” One day during the filming of “Casablanca,” Humphrey Bogart came to work and got into his duds as Rick Blaine. Director Michael Curtiz told him all he had to do was to walk up to this mark, look to his right, and nod. After that, he could take the rest of the day off. Bogie asked, but Curtiz couldn’t bother to explain the reason for the shot. In the finished film, as Laszlo is trying to get Rick’s band to play La Marseillaise it cuts to the trumpet player who looks to his left. Cut to that shot of Bogart nodding. Cut back to the trumpet player who puts the horn to his lips to begin one of film’s greatest scenes. Bits and pieces. There are echoes of the Kuleshov Experiment in that story. In “The Sound of Music,” the first time Maria (Julie Andrews) rings the doorbell at the Trapp home, the door is answered by a butler. They have a short conversation that cuts back and forth between Maria and the butler. All the shots of Julia Andrews speaking were taken on location in Vienna. All the reverse shots of the butler speaking were made on a sound stage on the Twentieth Century-Fox lot in California. It is the way movies have been made since at least the mid-19 teens. Bits and pieces put together from many different locations, times, and “takes” to create the desired effect on the audience. Some may call it Movie Magic. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on May 29, 2017 4:48:04 GMT
mikef6"all he had to do was to walk up to this mark, look to his right, and nod." Knew just from reading that sentence just what scene followed ! Amazing scene !
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Post by BATouttaheck on May 29, 2017 16:11:47 GMT
Slapstick Vs Screwball came up in a recent thread. Here's what Wiki had to say.
Slapstick is a style of humor involving exaggerated physical activity which exceeds the boundaries of normal physical comedy. The term arises from a device developed during the broad, physical comedy style known as Commedia dell'arte in 16th Century Italy. The 'slap stick' consists of two thin slats of wood made from splitting a single long stick, which make a 'slap' when striking another actor, with little force needed to make a loud - and comical - sound. The physical slap stick remains a key component of the plot in the traditional and popular Punch and Judy puppet show.
The Three Stooges, for example are Slapstick as are many of the silent short comedies, Keystone Cops etc.
Screwball comedy is principally a genre of comedy film that became popular during the Great Depression, originating in the early 1930s and thriving until the early 1940s. Many secondary characteristics of this genre are similar to film noir, but it distinguishes itself for being characterized by a female that dominates the relationship with the male central character, whose masculinity is challenged. The two engage in a humorous battle of the sexes, which was a new theme for Hollywood and audiences at the time. Other elements are fast-paced repartee, farcical situations, escapist themes, and plot lines involving courtship and marriage. Screwball comedies often depict social classes in conflict, as in It Happened One Night (1934) and My Man Godfrey (1936).
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Post by BATouttaheck on May 29, 2017 16:33:03 GMT
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Post by london777 on May 29, 2017 17:23:36 GMT
I have mentioned before my friend with whom every conversation about movies ends up with "Animal House". I am beginning to think mikef6 is that way with "Casablanca".
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Post by BATouttaheck on May 29, 2017 17:35:32 GMT
I have mentioned before my friend with whom every conversation about movies ends up with "Animal House". I am beginning to think mikef6 is that way with "Casablanca". You might want to look up the TV series "Perfect Strangers" and find Cousin Balki Bartokomous' signature line. It fits your comment re: Casablanca and mike perfectly. Btw, fwiw, this thread is intended as a fight, bashing and needling free zone. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jun 1, 2017 13:16:29 GMT
OK this used to be a peaceful thread and this should/ could have been said in a PM but experience has shown that habitual needlers don't acknowledge the privacy of PMs so here it is. Frankly I am getting pretty sick and tired of your continual sniping and needling at posters who are acting like intelligent adults. Some are giving you the benefit of the doubt and are assuming that you are joking. Calling salzmank and me stalkers in the "Ten Films "thread is crossing the line. I feel that you really need to stick with just talking about films and not expressing your hostility where it is out of place. Not finding your negativity amusing is not a legitimate reason to post snipes in peaceful threads. You want to vent and snipe, try picking places where it fits and targets that need straightening out. Politics and Soapbox and sandbox are the traditional venting areas. Spiderwort, mike, salzmank, mattgarth, movielover and movieman and I are not here with targets on our backs waiting for your "oh, so clever" remarks or parodies. At first I too assumed you were joking since some of your comments were so "off the wall" ... seems not. Would appreciate it if you would just stop. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jun 1, 2017 13:27:26 GMT
"london777 likes this"
You are so predictable!
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Post by Nalkarj on Jun 1, 2017 14:26:31 GMT
"london777 likes this" You are so predictable! So unbelievably predictable. He's just clamoring for attention, of course. A bit like a schoolyard bully, in fact—and just about as mature as one. Best that we ignore him henceforward, a suggestion that I too ought to follow but with which I know I'll have trouble! |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jun 1, 2017 15:12:18 GMT
"london777 likes this" You are so predictable! So unbelievably predictable. He's just clamoring for attention, of course. A bit like a schoolyard bully, in fact—and just about as mature as one. Best that we ignore him henceforward, a suggestion that I too ought to follow but with which I know I'll have trouble! Thing is that he keeps writing needling posts in threads where he thinks no one will reply to him because they don't want to start a brawl. I have learned the hard way that "turning the other cheek" just means that both sides of your face get battered and bruised. This was a fun thread. It was actually started because there were words that were new to me and I looked them up and thought that it would be helpful as well as fun to share them. The majority of the replies have been terrific. As this was "my thread" and I really needed to say something about the situation, this seemed a better place than one of the other threads, He has repeatedly insulted spiderwort who is one of, if not THE, hardest workers at starting and maintaining threads, Spiderwort is too nice and too polite to say anything about it . Then, to call YOU, of all people a "stalker" was just too much. The joy of this thread is pretty much gone now but at least I am not kicking myself with "I shudda stood up to that jerk" thoughts. Won't even get started on the anti-American posts or the "if you don't watch foreign language films you are a Philistine" posts as they are a whole other subject. |
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