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Post by CrepedCrusader on Mar 9, 2019 14:34:54 GMT
CM made nearly as much on Friday alone as Alita has in it's entire domestic run so far. Guess the #alitachallenge isn't working out too good.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Mar 9, 2019 14:52:07 GMT
Why do you hate strong female characters like Alita ?
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2019 15:08:56 GMT
Which is a shame since Alita was the better movie imo.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Mar 9, 2019 15:15:45 GMT
Why do you hate strong female characters like Alita ? Alita is a robot, not a woman. Checkmate, bro.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Mar 9, 2019 17:15:15 GMT
I don't understand why people are competing Captain Marvel with Alita.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 9, 2019 19:25:55 GMT
Why do you hate strong female characters like Alita ? Alita is a robot, not a woman. Checkmate, bro. She was built to be a woman, though.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Mar 9, 2019 19:41:34 GMT
I don't understand why people are competing Captain Marvel with Alita. Me neither i also don`t understand why you can`t just like both movies or hate both movies for that matter.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Mar 9, 2019 19:47:51 GMT
I don't understand why people are competing Captain Marvel with Alita. Me neither i also don`t understand why you can`t just like both movies or hate both movies for that matter. I don't hate Alita. I just enjoy rubbing it in the face of the people who tried to use Alita against Captain Marvel.
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Post by hobowar on Mar 9, 2019 19:48:35 GMT
I don't understand why people are competing Captain Marvel with Alita. A lot of people didn't want to be seen as sexist when attacking Captain Marvel (or Captain Wamen as some retards like to say) So Alita became the "I have a black friend" reverse scapegoat.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 9, 2019 20:42:41 GMT
I don't understand why people are competing Captain Marvel with Alita. A few reasons, 1) The Captain Marvel movie takes most influence from the more recent and unpopular interpretation of the character which to many kick started the current era of Marvel comics often dubbed "SJW Marvel" where sales have taken nose dives left and right and resulted in quite a lot of titles to be cancelled - some, like Captain Marvel's title, were re-launched more than once and new success still was not really found. The 2016 election only make most of Marvel's comic output worse and lost more readership, currently the company has sought out to other publishers like IDW for financial support and it has been rumored for a bit that Disney may shut down Marvel's comics division. It does not help much that many of the creators of current Marvel titles like Kelly Sue Deconnick, Heather Antos, Richard Pace, Tim Doyle, Gail Simone, Mark Waid, Nick Spencer, and Ta-Nehisi Coates have been very antagonistic towards long time readers of Marvel who have expressed criticism of how they're portraying the characters and bringing in unnecessary political topics into the stories. By antagonistic they have referred to these critics as "Nazi's", "racists", "ignorant", "perverted", "shallow", and a disgrace to the fandom they belong to. They are also fairly polarizing when it comes to politics. Not only that, but some former comics pros have been blacklisted by the comics industry for fairly shallow and ridiculous reasons - Mitch Breitweiser and his wife Elizabeth were harassed and spat on out of Marvel simply because Mitch drew a doodle of Donald Trump after he won the presidential election that was accompanied by a message where he expressed congratulations and hoping that he would have a successful run in office( And he said he would've done the same thing had Hillary Clinton won). Several of these so called comics pros like Richard Pace, Gail Simone, and especially Mark Waid tried to sabotage the release of an independent comic called "Jawbreakers" by Richard C. Meyer, who goes by "Diversity & Comics" and made a name for himself roasting and criticizing current comic book titles for non-dynamic and inconsistent artwork, bad writing, and forcing SJW politics where they don't really need to be in the first place in the overall concept of characters and story. They tried doxing him, sharing absolutely false information about him, and even tried to smear his family and professional career(which has been in animation and in the military - he's a war veteran). Waid even threatened a company into not publishing "Jawbreakers" and a store to not sell it, situation got so intense Meyer took legal action on Waid, not sure if charges have been dropped or a court date has been announced but lawyers were hired from both sides of the situation. Alita on the other hand is a manga that was created overseas in the 1980's and only ran for a specific number of volumes. The climate of its inception was in the kick-ass age of comics where you saw titles such as The Dark Knight Rises, Watchmen, and Ronin. 2) SJW politics have infested lots of contemporary media outside of comic books from novels to video games to animation to product lines to movies to television and for a lot of people its just getting annoying and for some fairly offensive - and a lot of the media and its journalists and professionals identify all critics as a problem instead of accepting any and all criticism. Ghostbusters 2016 and Star Wars: The Last Jedi are notable examples of movies which tried to push an agenda and only succeeded in alienating the hardcore fans and turning people off from the product they had created, hence why GB '16 flopped at the box office and TLJ took a nose dive in profit and Solo pretty much flopped some months later. The political angle has led to the creation of many Mary Sue type of characters who are not really flawed or really grow as the stories they occupy progress while many male characters are made out to be flawed and incompetent buffoons or vicious bloodsuckers. Said Mary Sue characters sometimes are the result of gender swapping and are made specifically to appeal towards a cause and to a minority. Contrary to popular belief amongst SJW's many males do not feel intimidated by the presence of female characters in an action-adventure position, they are perfectly fine with Princess Leia, Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor, Emma Peel, Cathy Gale, Scarlett(G.I. Joe), She-Ra(original filmmation), Buffy Summers, Sydney Bristow, Black Widow, The Bride, Eowyn, Red Sonja, Selene(Underworld), Pepper Potts, Valkyrie, Charlie Watson(Bumblebee), River Tam, etc. Why? Because they're well-written characters who are pretty likeable in personality and do not really(or at all) discriminate others who are not of the same gender. In simpler words, you do not feel like you're being lectured, you feel like you're watching an actual character on screen. Honestly, comparing Rey from the newer Star Wars movies to Leia in the original trilogy in terms of characterization is comical - and for the record I don't dislike Rey but TLJ really butchered what could've been such an exciting addition to the mythos. Alita in her movie does not out anybody based on their gender or feels that all women are being mistreated or that all men are bad people on a character level and does not come across as a political statement of some kind in her own movie. Captain Marvel I have not seen but based on what I've heard Carol's characterization is more flat in comparison to Alita and doesn't really grow much from where she is at the start of the movie and to the end of it. I cannot comment on what SJW-isms are in the movie I've heard some say it was subtle and in-your-face about them but its definitely apparent that Marvel, Disney, and Brie Larson are trying to paint the character as some kind of political statement than really just a fun character with a real purpose to the overall MCU narrative. 3) The marketing for Captain Marvel and how they've gone about it makes it seem like its a groundbreaking movie and a political statement that must be seen by everyone - except, not everyone as a lot of male viewers have been told in some way shape or form to not see it for themselves and thus feel excluded from watching what might be an entertaining popcorn movie. Alita marketed itself as a fresh and exciting sci-fi pulp yarn told by two very different artists in James Cameron and Robert Rodriguez, "Girl Power!" was there but not as in your face as Captain Marvel. In addition to that, Brie Larson has made several very questionable and ignorant statements which have caused division amongst potential consumers of the product they are supposed to buy into where as Rosa Salazar has said nothing on the level of "I do not need some forty-year-old white dude to tell me what didn't work for him about 'A Wrinkle In Time', it wasn't made for him." So in conclusion, Alita is considered to be the more accessible entertainment than Captain Marvel with a more likeable and interesting lead. --------------- P.S. DC-Fan I know you're reading this so please do me the favor of not liking this comment as what I've said above does not make me any less of the "dumb mcu fan" you painted me out to be some time ago, I'm still going to see Captain Marvel and I'm just as big a fan as I was before.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 9, 2019 20:44:25 GMT
I don't understand why people are competing Captain Marvel with Alita. A lot of people didn't want to be seen as sexist when attacking Captain Marvel (or Captain Wamen as some retards like to say) So Alita became the "I have a black friend" reverse scapegoat. Alita is the better written and more accessible character based on how the marketing for both films and the actresses portraying them. It has nothing to do with male vs. female a lot of male viewers love Ellen Ripley, Leia, and Sarah Connor. --------------- P.S. DC-Fan I know you're reading this so please do me the favor of not liking this comment as what I've said above does not make me any less of the "dumb mcu fan" you painted me out to be some time ago, I'm still going to see Captain Marvel and I'm just as big a fan as I was before.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 9, 2019 20:45:27 GMT
I don't understand why people are competing Captain Marvel with Alita. Me neither i also don`t understand why you can`t just like both movies or hate both movies for that matter. I don't think people would have an issue if the marketing and the politics of Captain Marvel just presented it as another fun Marvel movie than some kind of a statement. --------------- P.S. DC-Fan I know you're reading this so please do me the favor of not liking this comment as what I've said above does not make me any less of the "dumb mcu fan" you painted me out to be some time ago, I'm still going to see Captain Marvel and I'm just as big a fan as I was before.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Mar 9, 2019 20:54:50 GMT
Me neither i also don`t understand why you can`t just like both movies or hate both movies for that matter. I don't think people would have an issue if the marketing and the politics of Captain Marvel just presented it as another fun Marvel movie than some kind of a statement. I agree with that.
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Post by merh on Mar 9, 2019 21:12:04 GMT
CM made nearly as much on Friday alone as Alita has in it's entire domestic run so far. Guess the #alitachallenge isn't working out too good. Its closer to the 2 day $73 mill WW take. WW made $103 mill in 3 days
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Post by merh on Mar 9, 2019 21:13:13 GMT
Why do you hate strong female characters like Alita ? Alita is a robot, not a woman. Checkmate, bro. Alita is a cyborg Human brain. But her place is different. She isnt meant to be a superhero
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Post by hobowar on Mar 9, 2019 21:54:34 GMT
A lot of people didn't want to be seen as sexist when attacking Captain Marvel (or Captain Wamen as some retards like to say) So Alita became the "I have a black friend" reverse scapegoat. Alita is the better written and more accessible character based on how the marketing for both films and the actresses portraying them. It has nothing to do with male vs. female a lot of male viewers love Ellen Ripley, Leia, and Sarah Connor. --------------- P.S. DC-Fan I know you're reading this so please do me the favor of not liking this comment as what I've said above does not make me any less of the "dumb mcu fan" you painted me out to be some time ago, I'm still going to see Captain Marvel and I'm just as big a fan as I was before. A lot of men on youtube are using Ellen Ripley, Leia, and Sarah Connor as weapons to beat Captain Marvel with. I'm sure a lot men love those characters, but those aren't the men I'm talking about.
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Post by thenewnexus on Mar 9, 2019 22:43:37 GMT
If alita didn't have those weird ass eyes i might watch
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2019 22:56:35 GMT
Alita is the better written and more accessible character based on how the marketing for both films and the actresses portraying them. It has nothing to do with male vs. female a lot of male viewers love Ellen Ripley, Leia, and Sarah Connor. --------------- P.S. DC-Fan I know you're reading this so please do me the favor of not liking this comment as what I've said above does not make me any less of the "dumb mcu fan" you painted me out to be some time ago, I'm still going to see Captain Marvel and I'm just as big a fan as I was before. A lot of men on youtube are using Ellen Ripley, Leia, and Sarah Connor as weapons to beat Captain Marvel with. I'm sure a lot men love those characters, but those aren't the men I'm talking about. To be fair, I feel like they're only using Ripley, Leia and Connor as counter arguments whenever people accuse them of simply hating strong female characters. Because let's be honest, the most common argument against someone who criticizes Captain Marvel/Brie Larson is to label that someone sexist.
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Post by merh on Mar 9, 2019 23:32:24 GMT
A few reasons, 1) The Captain Marvel movie takes most influence from the more recent and unpopular interpretation of the character which to many kick started the current era of Marvel comics often dubbed "SJW Marvel" where sales have taken nose dives left and right and resulted in quite a lot of titles to be cancelled - some, like Captain Marvel's title, were re-launched more than once and new success still was not really found. The 2016 election only make most of Marvel's comic output worse and lost more readership, currently the company has sought out to other publishers like IDW for financial support and it has been rumored for a bit that Disney may shut down Marvel's comics division. It does not help much that many of the creators of current Marvel titles like Kelly Sue Deconnick, Heather Antos, Richard Pace, Tim Doyle, Gail Simone, Mark Waid, Nick Spencer, and Ta-Nehisi Coates have been very antagonistic towards long time readers of Marvel who have expressed criticism of how they're portraying the characters and bringing in unnecessary political topics into the stories. Spencer is a Trump fan I thought. He sure didn't know Cap. Japanese manga often runs in magazines-weekly, monthly, etc., a chapter or 2 at a time & is then collected into tankobon. So after the original ended there were further adventures. So the point of the manga is to be interesting enough to keep running like One Piece that has veen running in Weekly Shonen Jump since July 1997. Except Solo was good. It was fanboys pissed at TLJ who tanked it. Marvel comics had done social justice forever. There was no reason to go with Johnson. He seemed to destroy for destruction sake. It is typical Japanese class warfare with the ruling elite living in the floating city in the clouds while the rest fight for a shot of making it up there. How did you miss that? She is superior to everyone else because she is alien tech, last piece of the invading Martian force that crashed all the other floating cities. 2003. So women in the military in the 90s were totally equal & respected. I live in San Diego, dude. Moved to Mira Mesa in 1990, just in time for Tailhook to become all the rage. No. All Larson said was she wanted more women & people of color to have a shot at writing a Marvel interview. So somehow saying the people at the back of the room, who maybe don't have the history of doing stories on the topic, have a shot at writing a Marvel movie article is somehow stomping all over your male egos? Poor babies. Yeah, they also didnt really push its manga/Japanese origin as much. I was in 4th grade when I read the story so I imagine it was made for something way younger than a 40 yr old guy of any color. Sort of like the review our local paper wrote totally trashing Nightmare Before Christmas where the critic trashed it as being crap, attacking it as an adult male bitching about the amount of music in the thing. You know, because the target audience-CHILDREN-hate music. Everyone I know who didn't see Alita was because of the eye job they did to Rosa Salazar. Yeah, right Eyeballs, remember? Like I said, I could not convince anyone the movie was worth watching.
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Post by hobowar on Mar 9, 2019 23:32:44 GMT
A lot of men on youtube are using Ellen Ripley, Leia, and Sarah Connor as weapons to beat Captain Marvel with. I'm sure a lot men love those characters, but those aren't the men I'm talking about. To be fair, I feel like they're only using Ripley, Leia and Connor as counter arguments whenever people accuse them of simply hating strong female characters. Because let's be honest, the most common argument against someone who criticizes Captain Marvel/Brie Larson is to label that someone sexist. A lot people are starting off their hate post by mentioning female characters they love as a way of deflecting any criticism before it starts. There's just as many people who start their posts with "I love the mcu, but..." The ones that amuse me the most, though, tend to be the one that call Brie a racist or sexist and then use "Captain Wamen" as an insult in the same sentence.
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