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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 18:02:08 GMT
His Holiness has said quite a lot about animals, including confirmation that their souls also return to Christ...  I have a friend, an Evangelical, that grieves because she believes that they won't be in Paradise. I will pass this on to her. Your friend is welcome to join us by the way. We're not big on all that Old Testament stuff her fundos try and adhere to... We are more in to Jesus, Mary, and the Saints. But hey, if she is in to rituals, us Catholics have it nailed. 👍 |
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Post by drystyx on Mar 11, 2019 18:07:52 GMT
there is absolutely not one shred of verifiable evidence that a soul exists. now, there exists centuries of wishful thinking and countless market strategies that promote the existence of a soul. and most if not all come back to gleaning profits from pandering to pedantic push overs. said the whiny weakling trying to convince the big bully not to beat him up again, cause he doesn't have a soul and doesn't feel it, but the big bully doesn't buy it, does he? You even got the market strategies wrong. Big business hates the idea of people believing they have souls and free choice. Have you ever been right about anything?
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 11, 2019 18:08:31 GMT
there is absolutely not one shred of verifiable evidence that a soul exists. now, there exists centuries of wishful thinking and countless market strategies that promote the existence of a soul. and most if not all come back to gleaning profits from pandering to pedantic push overs. how's tricks?? It's all about the money, according to John McClane! LOL! John McClane: So that's is what this is about, Hans? A fucking robbery? Hans Gruber: Put down the gun. John McClane: Why'd you have to nuke the whole building, Hans? Hans Gruber: Well, when you steal $600, you can just disappear. When you steal 600 million, they will find you, unless they think you're already dead.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 19:07:03 GMT
One thing I do know - they have appetites and WANT TO BE FED, RIGHT NOW!!!! I live with one of those cat things... His name is Dennis... Here he is chilling on the porch with me... 
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Post by maya55555 on Mar 11, 2019 19:21:29 GMT
Father Jack
Do Not share your beer, please!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 19:28:40 GMT
Father Jack
Do Not share your beer, please! Dennis isn't allowed to share my cider... He just likes to sit with me on the porch when I'm drinking. He looks out at the world as if to say "Father Jack is my homie, I dare ya". He's a big softie though our Dennis... He learned his lesson when he had a run in with our May (house rabbit), and she kicked his ass 🐰 |
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Post by maya55555 on Mar 11, 2019 19:38:27 GMT
CUTE?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 19:46:45 GMT
Our May is a very cute bun... She is also hard as nails, and gets nothing but earned respect from my dogs and cat. |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Mar 11, 2019 21:24:20 GMT
I couldn't say because I do not know what a soul is.
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Post by goz on Mar 11, 2019 21:49:26 GMT
Alright... Who are the 3 people who said animals don't have souls? Our Dexter isn't very happy with you.  You can tell Dexter from me, that he has as much soul as humans. My Luna and Aiden agree.
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Post by goz on Mar 11, 2019 22:21:22 GMT
Our May is a very cute bun... She is also hard as nails, and gets nothing but earned respect from my dogs and cat. In the cause of lack of bunny discrimination, may we animal lovers please have a pic of May?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 22:32:42 GMT
Our May is a very cute bun... She is also hard as nails, and gets nothing but earned respect from my dogs and cat. In the cause of lack of bunny discrimination, may we animal lovers please have a pic of May? I'll try for you, but our May is a vicious bugger, not one for staying still for photos. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 22:41:03 GMT
In the cause of lack of bunny discrimination, may we animal lovers please have a pic of May? I'll try for you, but our May is a vicious bugger, not one for staying still for photos. She is asleep, I tried to wake her up for a pic, but she was a bit bitey and kickey at being woken up... She's the bun in this family montage 👍 will try again tomorrow for you... 
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Post by rizdek on Mar 11, 2019 23:32:40 GMT
The entrance to Heaven...  He is wondering...do people have souls?
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 12, 2019 5:17:30 GMT
I have a friend, an Evangelical, that grieves because she believes that they won't be in Paradise. I will pass this on to her. Your friend is welcome to join us by the way. We're not big on all that Old Testament stuff her fundos try and adhere to... We are more in to Jesus, Mary, and the Saints. But hey, if she is in to rituals, us Catholics have it nailed. 👍 Nah, she lives in the Ozarks where the Evangelicals think they can build themselves a stronghold, against the Tribulation or something... Now I, on the other hand, do like the rituals, especially Mass in Latin. I studied Renaissance art history, and do appreciate stained glass and great architecture. If I ever get to come across the pond, I will make St. Bernard's a stop on the journey. Do they have a pipe organ? I learned to play one Bach fugue on a pipe organ, while I was a Lutheran years ago, in college.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 12, 2019 5:47:22 GMT
I'll try for you, but our May is a vicious bugger, not one for staying still for photos. She is asleep, I tried to wake her up for a pic, but she was a bit bitey and kickey at being woken up... She's the bun in this family montage 👍 will try again tomorrow for you... She is a very cute bun! You have chickens? I've thought about getting two or three, for eggs, they would have plenty of free range on my 4 acres and eat up all the bugs. But I've got a fairly large vet bill right now, and feed bill for the cats, dogs, bunny and goats (my organic weed-eaters), so I'll wait on the chickens. I've also thought about goats for their hair, to spin into yarn, but the price on those goats are pretty high. I miss having a horse; my mare died about 14 years ago, but I have a friend with a horse that I can brush and groom and hug. I love their smell! Every Christmas, my dad and I would take a warm bran mash out to the barn for the horses. I was a member of the Pony Club, and my old gelding was a hunter. I showed him in hunt seat for a few years as a junior, but then he just got to graze in the pasture for the rest of his life, happy as a duck. He lived a long, good horse life.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 6:56:56 GMT
She is asleep, I tried to wake her up for a pic, but she was a bit bitey and kickey at being woken up... She's the bun in this family montage 👍 will try again tomorrow for you... She is a very cute bun! You have chickens? I've thought about getting two or three, for eggs, they would have plenty of free range on my 4 acres and eat up all the bugs. But I've got a fairly large vet bill right now, and feed bill for the cats, dogs, bunny and goats (my organic weed-eaters), so I'll wait on the chickens. I've also thought about goats for their hair, to spin into yarn, but the price on those goats are pretty high. I miss having a horse; my mare died about 14 years ago, but I have a friend with a horse that I can brush and groom and hug. I love their smell! Every Christmas, my dad and I would take a warm bran mash out to the barn for the horses. I was a member of the Pony Club, and my old gelding was a hunter. I showed him in hunt seat for a few years as a junior, but then he just got to graze in the pasture for the rest of his life, happy as a duck. He lived a long, good horse life. No, I don't have chickens right now. Some time ago I took in half a dozen rescued battery hens, converted a shed for them, and gave them free range of the garden. That's just a pic of one of them in a collage. Both the dogs there have also passed on. Bless them, they were very good girls. Dennis, May, and Holly the snake are still with me. |
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Post by heeeeey on Mar 13, 2019 20:40:53 GMT
Does a bear shit in the woods?
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Post by heeeeey on Mar 13, 2019 20:44:18 GMT
So, to bring the theological debate over here where it belongs, the question, to me, is not 'do animals have souls?' but 'are animal souls immortal?' Yes, I am an agnostic atheist, I believe that when we die, there is no afterlife. But does a soul have to be immortal? Just because I do not believe that there is a creator or a god, does that mean no one has a soul? I might get roasted for daring to state that I think every sentient being has a soul, given my atheism. But how different is a soul and sentience? Since, as a fellow agnostic atheist I don't believe on 'souls', I say that neither humans nor animals have 'souls'. However if you have been reading any of my posts on consciousness, you will have read of my evolutionary theory of consciousness, with it increasing in complexity towards the end point (so far) of human consciousness. I do believe that on a sliding scale for complexity of brain function, that animals are both sentient and have a certain level of consciousness. Like you I adore animals, have an emotional connection with them. I have loved many almost as my children and have fond memories of those that I have loved, and admired many from afar. IMHO they are functionally the same because to me a soul implies life after death, and I don't believe that is possible. How stupid. And you believe that because you worship materialism and the incomplete studies of fallible humans. Science has not been set on any one theory since its inception. Even your pal Faustus has admitted science is not 100% set on any given study or theory. So to hang your hat on a 'study' is nothing short of idiocy, IMO.
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Post by goz on Mar 13, 2019 20:55:21 GMT
Since, as a fellow agnostic atheist I don't believe on 'souls', I say that neither humans nor animals have 'souls'. However if you have been reading any of my posts on consciousness, you will have read of my evolutionary theory of consciousness, with it increasing in complexity towards the end point (so far) of human consciousness. I do believe that on a sliding scale for complexity of brain function, that animals are both sentient and have a certain level of consciousness. Like you I adore animals, have an emotional connection with them. I have loved many almost as my children and have fond memories of those that I have loved, and admired many from afar. IMHO they are functionally the same because to me a soul implies life after death, and I don't believe that is possible. How stupid. And you believe that because you worship materialism and the incomplete studies of fallible humans. Science has not been set on any one theory since its inception. Even your pal Faustus has admitted science is not 100% set on any given study or theory. So to hang your hat on a 'study' is nothing short of idiocy, IMO. Once again I must thank you Heeeeey for telling me what YOU think I think and believe. You are amazing! ( if totally wrong about everything )
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