Do you care about race-swapping characters?

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Do you care about race-swapping characters? Apr 12, 2017 13:36:34 GMT

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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 12, 2017 13:36:34 GMT

Apr 12, 2017 0:23:49 GMT Skaathar said:

Apr 11, 2017 18:06:36 GMT PreachCaleb said:

Because you defended the changes in personality with an excuse that they're the result of multiple storylines (despite that many aren't), but have a problem with changes in race in a different medium.

I never defended changes in personality or mentioned anything about race.
Again, I said CHARACTER changes. Not personality changes, not racial changes, not color changes. CHARACTER changes. I hope I've repeated that enough times to make it clear to you.

So what's the difference to you between a personality and character change? Superman going from a guy who kills random thugs to the world's biggest boy scout isn't a personality change?

What I said was that I support CHARACTER changes that happen over a prolonged duration of time over multiple storylines instead of an abrupt change coming out of the blue.

And I've said that those CHARACTER changes have been just as out of the blue as any race change.

Like I said: no one complained about Doom's complete character change. Yet Johnny's skin color was a huge source of controversy.

Now please stop lying about what I said.

Then work on your writing. It's far too easy to see the unfortunate implications in what you say.

But just to clarify: if a character were to undergo a slow race change or skin color change over multiple story arcs, you'd be ok with that?

Try to understand what I'm trying to say instead of making stuff up to fuel your racist tirade.

That's not what racist tirade means.

Last Edit: Apr 12, 2017 13:40:07 GMT by PreachCaleb

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Do you care about race-swapping characters? Apr 12, 2017 15:45:11 GMT

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Post by Skaathar on Apr 12, 2017 15:45:11 GMT

Apr 12, 2017 13:36:34 GMT PreachCaleb said:

Apr 12, 2017 0:23:49 GMT Skaathar said:

I never defended changes in personality or mentioned anything about race.
Again, I said CHARACTER changes. Not personality changes, not racial changes, not color changes. CHARACTER changes. I hope I've repeated that enough times to make it clear to you.

So what's the difference to you between a personality and character change? Superman going from a guy who kills random thugs to the world's biggest boy scout isn't a personality change?

What I said was that I support CHARACTER changes that happen over a prolonged duration of time over multiple storylines instead of an abrupt change coming out of the blue.

And I've said that those CHARACTER changes have been just as out of the blue as any race change.

Like I said: no one complained about Doom's complete character change. Yet Johnny's skin color was a huge source of controversy.

Now please stop lying about what I said.

Then work on your writing. It's far too easy to see the unfortunate implications in what you say.

But just to clarify: if a character were to undergo a slow race change or skin color change over multiple story arcs, you'd be ok with that?

Try to understand what I'm trying to say instead of making stuff up to fuel your racist tirade.

That's not what racist tirade means.

If you don't understand the difference between a character and a character's personality, I suggest looking it up in the dictionary. I can't believe you don't know this. A person's characteristics can be about their personality or about their physical appearance or even their mannerisms and fashion sense. There's nothing ambiguous in how I worded what I said, you just don't want to admit that you were wrong, and so now you're trying to strawman to get out of it. Either that or you need to brush up on your english definitions. You just don't want to admit that you tried to make this argument about race when my original statement had nothing to do with it. That's what makes you racist, the fact that you keep trying to make this argument about race when it really has nothing to do with race.

And FYI, every single Dr. Doom movie interpretation has been met with hoards of complaints, so I don't know what you're talking about him not being complained about. Again, it looks like you're trying too hard to make it seem like this is a race issue. It is not. It is about being faithful to the source. A change that happens gradually will be accepted by the fans. An abrupt change (unless it's a very good change) will be met with complaints by the fans.

Last Edit: Apr 12, 2017 15:49:58 GMT by Skaathar

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Do you care about race-swapping characters? Apr 12, 2017 16:21:05 GMT

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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 12, 2017 16:21:05 GMT

If you don't understand the difference between a character and a character's personality, I suggest looking it up in the dictionary.

I'm asking because you don't seem to know.

A person's characteristics can be about their personality or about their physical appearance or even their mannerisms and fashion sense.

Character and characteristics are not the same thing. Please read that dictionary carefully.

There's nothing ambiguous in how I worded what I said, you just don't want to admit that you were wrong, and so now you're trying to strawman to get out of it

I didn't say it was ambiguous. I said it had unfortunate implications. Which it did. Also, that's not what strawman means.

That's what makes you racist, the fact that you keep trying to make this argument about race when it really has nothing to do with race.

That's not what racist means either. Discussing race does not equal to racism. It's ok to discuss it. There's nothing wrong with admitting that different races exist. They really do. I've seen them. If you want to pretend they don't, that's your business.

And FYI, every single Dr. Doom movie interpretation has been met with hoards of complaints, so I don't know what you're talking about him not being complained about.

I'm talking about the complete lack of outrage. There was annoyance about Doom's character changes. But not the vein-popping bile that came with Johnny's race swap.

It is about being faithful to the source.

When it comes to skin color, right? After all, the sources themselves have radically changed over decades. And again, many of those changes were sudden and out of nowhere. Why is it only a problem when it's the skin color that's wrong?

Batman's character change wasn't gradual. DC just suddenly decided, "Batman shouldn't use guns." There was no multi-story arc character change to go with that.

Superman used to kill normal human thugs. There was no story arc to change that. DC just stopped doing it.

So which source material do you want to use? The original? Or the one with the "abrupt change"?

Defending character changes as acceptable because they were gradual (despite the fact that many were in fact not) yet having a problem with the wrong skin tone because it's "abrupt" does have many unfortunate racist implications. Whether you see them or not.

After all, where's the outrage that Professor X is British? Or Wolverine is an Australian? Or that Psylocke was of Chinese ancestry and not Japanese?

FYI: yes, it is about race, or did you miss the title of this entire thread?

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Do you care about race-swapping characters? Apr 12, 2017 23:40:16 GMT

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Post by Skaathar on Apr 12, 2017 23:40:16 GMT

Apr 12, 2017 16:21:05 GMT PreachCaleb said: