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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 21:02:27 GMT
In general, I think they should try to make the characters look the way they're supposed to look (as dictated by the comics). But at the same time, I wouldn't care if they made Hal Jordan (or whoever) black or whatever. It's not the end of the world, but it's also not necessarily ideal. Same goes in reverse. Black characters should generally be portrayed by black actors. But if the race aspect of the character isn't particularly important, then I'm not gonna lose any sleep if they change it.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 5, 2017 0:21:04 GMT
I'm biased towards my favorite characters but if it's done well, I'm not complaining.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 5, 2017 1:44:03 GMT
In general, I think they should try to make the characters look the way they're supposed to look (as dictated by the comics). But at the same time, I wouldn't care if they made Hal Jordan (or whoever) black or whatever. It's not the end of the world, but it's also not necessarily ideal. Same goes in reverse. Black characters should generally be portrayed by black actors. But if the race aspect of the character isn't particularly important, then I'm not gonna lose any sleep if they change it. I care if it's a major character because there is absolutely no reason to do it. The act of race swapping is done just to do it. Now in the case of somebody like Mordo, it was great.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 5, 2017 4:44:36 GMT
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Post by thenewnexus on Apr 5, 2017 12:54:31 GMT
I have a problem with whitewashing like I mentioned on the DC board,I had a problem with ras al ghul and bane in the dk trilogy
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 5, 2017 13:08:12 GMT
I have a problem with whitewashing like I mentioned on the DC board,I had a problem with ras al ghul and bane in the dk trilogy What was your issue with them? The race/ethnicity of the people that portrayed them?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 16:43:51 GMT
I have a problem with whitewashing like I mentioned on the DC board,I had a problem with ras al ghul and bane in the dk trilogy What was your issue with them? The race/ethnicity of the people that portrayed them? Well, neither of them should have been played by white dudes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 17:24:39 GMT
In general, I think they should try to make the characters look the way they're supposed to look (as dictated by the comics). But at the same time, I wouldn't care if they made Hal Jordan (or whoever) black or whatever. It's not the end of the world, but it's also not necessarily ideal. Same goes in reverse. Black characters should generally be portrayed by black actors. But if the race aspect of the character isn't particularly important, then I'm not gonna lose any sleep if they change it. I don't care what race or sex character are. As long as it works and the casted actor/actress does a good job Im fine with it. I do think there are too little Asians in Hollywood movies amd thats too bad because there are some great Asian actors/actresses out there. But they dont need to hire an Asian because the character in the story the movie was based upon was also Asian. They need to cast the best one for the job.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 5, 2017 18:13:41 GMT
White-washing has been a problem in Hollywood for decades.
But for the most part, it's not a big deal. Especially if it's changing to a race that has been traditionally underrepresented.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 5, 2017 22:36:54 GMT
The actor chosen for a role needs to not only act the character but look as closely to the character as can be. That includes gender/sex, size, musculature, movements and posture, and yes - skin color.
Now, it's almost impossible to find a perfect fit for a character so it's understable if one or two characteristics are wrong.
So I can forgive the changing of race/skin color privided the actor has most of the other characteristics of the character. Example: Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin. He was pretty much perfect for Kingpin, just the wrong skin color. So that's fine. To me that's about as bad as casting a 6'3" Jackman as Wolverine. No big deal.
However if the actor is of a different race and doesn't really have any major resemblance to the character then that's when I get pissed. Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie and the lady (forgot her name) for the Ancient One are good examples of this. And as much as I like Idris Elba, casting him as Heimdall also doesn't make sense.
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Post by thenewnexus on Apr 6, 2017 8:02:15 GMT
I have a problem with whitewashing like I mentioned on the DC board,I had a problem with ras al ghul and bane in the dk trilogy What was your issue with them? The race/ethnicity of the people that portrayed them? Hardy and Neeson are white Brits when the characters are Arab and Latino. On Arrow Ras Al Ghul is a White Aussie. Gotham actually cast an accurate actor as Al Ghul
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Post by misstique on Apr 6, 2017 8:37:39 GMT
But at the same time, I wouldn't care if they made Hal Jordan (or whoever) black or whatever. There already is a black Green Lantern and he's called John Stewart. So need to make Hal Jordan black. But in general, I prefer the races to be kept the way they are in comic books. That's the way we have known them and that's the way they should be, ESPECIALLY main characters. If the filmmakers want to bring diversity, why not create new characters with their own original backstory? I hate it when a character's race is changed for no apparent reason, like Johnny Storm. That was one of the dumbest moves ever! And it's not just about races, but also genders and sexual orientation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 12:24:11 GMT
But at the same time, I wouldn't care if they made Hal Jordan (or whoever) black or whatever. There already is a black Green Lantern and he's called John Stewart. So need to make Hal Jordan black. But in general, I prefer the races to be kept the way they are in comic books. That's the way we have known them and that's the way they should be, ESPECIALLY main characters. If the filmmakers want to bring diversity, why not create new characters with their own original backstory? I hate it when a character's race is changed for no apparent reason, like Johnny Storm. That was one of the dumbest moves ever! And it's not just about races, but also genders and sexual orientation. I'm well aware of boring John Stewart.
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Post by Larcen26 on Apr 6, 2017 15:05:21 GMT
I suppose it depends on the character and the circumstance.
I had no issue with them making Wally West black in either the New 52 or The Flash.
Ever since the Superman Animated Series, I have been saying that Lex Luthor should be re-envisioned as black. (I actually thought they did just that the first episode I saw with him, just light skinned, and have liked the idea ever since.)
I also would have no issue with them making a black Superman. But I might not want them to make Clark Kent black.
But then again, why the hell not?
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 6, 2017 15:23:34 GMT
I suppose it depends on the character and the circumstance. I had no issue with them making Wally West black in either the New 52 or The Flash. Ever since the Superman Animated Series, I have been saying that Lex Luthor should be re-envisioned as black. (I actually thought they did just that the first episode I saw with him, just light skinned, and have liked the idea ever since.) I also would have no issue with them making a black Superman. But I might not want them to make Clark Kent black. But then again, why the hell not? You've got the right attitude, my friend.
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Post by Marv on Apr 6, 2017 19:54:16 GMT
If there is some base material I generally prefer the appearance to be similar.
So for example id rather Hal Jordan be white...and John Stewart be black...etc.
But usually there are far more important aspects of the character that need to come across correctly first. I can deal with visual inconsistencies rather than a departure from the characters essence.
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Post by sov on Apr 6, 2017 21:01:55 GMT
It... depends. If they find the right actor who fits the role perfectly, and they happen to not fit the race the character is typically portrayed as? I probably wouldn't care that much. Unless race is, y'know, important to the character and his/her backstory. Then I don't think their race should be touched. I'm generally not really a fan of whitewashing, though.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Apr 7, 2017 5:40:56 GMT
NOT... ONE... BIT.
A character's essence begins with their identity, and unless the race-swap is done for the greater good o the character I stand firmly AGAINST IT!!
Like when Johnny Storm was changed to black solely because Michael B Jordan wanted to play him. Was that good enough? NO! Did it improve the character? NO!
What about all the crying to change Superman or Peter Parker into black just to meet some bullshit ethnicity quota? fuck no!
And the HYPOCRISY is that the same people that want these changes cry like a little bitch with a skinned knee and shit about "white washing". Especially when the character IS white like Stephen Strange and Danny rand, yet the Social Justice Brigade wanted both characters to be Asian, why?
When the Marvel Ultimate Universe made Nick Fury Jr to the likeness of Samuel L Jackson it was amazing as he is one "bad mother fucker" (If you didn't understand that reference you should delete your account and don't tell people you like movies), and yes Mordo was great.
But in general Comic Book characters should remain as they were created.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 7, 2017 13:02:39 GMT
Ooh, then you're going to hate most modern comic characters because most of them are nothing like how when they were created. Batman used to use guns. Superman used to kill normal humans.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 7, 2017 16:14:24 GMT
Ooh, then you're going to hate most modern comic characters because most of them are nothing like how when they were created. Batman used to use guns. Superman used to kill normal humans. I think you're taking this a bit too literally. There's a difference between a comic character's change coming only after evolving from multiple storylines into what they are currently... and a complete change just happening out of the blue.
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