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Post by flyerzzrul on Mar 14, 2019 0:37:15 GMT
Great, productive responses so far, but I'm wondering if there are great examples of a team tanking into a successful rebuild. The Raiders tore it all down last season and just look at them now! They're going to Vegas and they have Antonio Brown! That could be you, too. The Giants can go to Vegas? That would be so cool!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 5:17:25 GMT
The Giants GM is brilliant. He's giving so many Giants fans a different excuse as to why Eli will suck. Instead of "he has no offensive line" which got improved with Zeitler they can now say "he doesn't have any weapons".
Eli Manning folks, the only person that the Giants front office will commit to long term whether you like it or not.
I'd be pissed the fuck off if I was a Giants fan. My god they are getting dragged through the mud and deservedly so. They're a laughing stock at this moment and it really seems like they're the new Browns. Funny because it took getting owned by the Browns in a trade for OBJ to do it. John Dorsey front runner for Executive of the Year I'd say.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 5:22:45 GMT
Great, productive responses so far, but I'm wondering if there are great examples of a team tanking into a successful rebuild. I don't know if they qualify as rebuilds because they had QB's and didn't seem like a rebuild but more like a reboot/reload and that's the Saints and the Colts. All it took was basically 1 or 2 great drafts and it changed a lot for them. The question is whether or not the front office in place has the smarts to get the rebuild done quickly or if it'll take forever as Browns fans have known for so long.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 13:01:48 GMT
I can't believe nobody has mentioned (apologies if I missed it) - how stacked the Browns look right now.
Think Vegas odds have them as the 5th favorite to win the SB.
Has it reaped rewards yet?
Key word is 'yet' - IMO - it's coming.
Can't wait to watch them next year - going to be an exciting team - especially with Baker at the helm.
** Edit - glancing through - even above like Smurf - seems as if the Browns were dropped - so my apologies - I have a tendency to 'skim' at times and not read full posts - and then just simply respond to the OP.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 14, 2019 13:30:39 GMT
Football, not sure. Baseball, the Houston Astros.
The Giants would suck with OBJ. When you are in a position like the Giants, why not get rid of the few valuable pieces and get something of value. You know damn well OBJ will only handle one more season of double digit losses before he wants out. His value is as big as it will get. I think its a good move
Yeah, there seem baseball and basketball examples aplenty. But in the NFL, even the Colts weren't really tanking. They just happened to be the worst team in the league without Peyton Manning. And even then, they haven't even been good since getting Luck. The mismanagement that was revealed by how bad the team was without their one great player should have showed us how badly they'd manage the subsequent Andre Luck era. They were tanking. Remember the 'Suck for Luck' movement? No question Manning covered a ton of holes on that team, but they weren't trying to win with Curtis Painter for half the season. They got the first pick and immediately traded Manning as if that was the plan all along.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 14, 2019 14:46:55 GMT
I would've traded him. How many playoff games did he win. Addition by subtraction.
How many rings have star wideouts clinched for their teams in the past 30yrs? A fleet of very good receivers is far greater than a star taking all the looks & catches.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 14, 2019 14:47:42 GMT
I can't believe nobody has mentioned (apologies if I missed it) - how stacked the Browns look right now. Think Vegas odds have them as the 5th favorite to win the SB. Has it reaped rewards yet? Key word is 'yet' - IMO - it's coming. Can't wait to watch them next year - going to be an exciting team - especially with Baker at the helm. ** Edit - glancing through - even above like Smurf - seems as if the Browns were dropped - so my apologies - I have a tendency to 'skim' at times and not read full posts - and then just simply respond to the OP.Yeah, I was picking them for the playoffs, now I'm locking it in. Jets maybe too, I think most of the AFC is in flux.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Mar 15, 2019 13:44:35 GMT
They were tanking. Remember the 'Suck for Luck' movement? No question Manning covered a ton of holes on that team, but they weren't trying to win with Curtis Painter for half the season. They got the first pick and immediately traded Manning as if that was the plan all along. I suppose, but it's not the same thing. It's not the same thing as purging the roster. They found themselves in a situation that was spiraling out of control and I don't think they realized it would be as bad as it was, and as it was going on they just didn't fix it, and it was too late anyway.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Mar 15, 2019 13:46:07 GMT
I can't believe nobody has mentioned (apologies if I missed it) - how stacked the Browns look right now. Think Vegas odds have them as the 5th favorite to win the SB. Has it reaped rewards yet? Key word is 'yet' - IMO - it's coming. Can't wait to watch them next year - going to be an exciting team - especially with Baker at the helm. ** Edit - glancing through - even above like Smurf - seems as if the Browns were dropped - so my apologies - I have a tendency to 'skim' at times and not read full posts - and then just simply respond to the OP.But did the Browns ever tank, or have they just been fucking terrible for a long time? But yes, they're stacked now.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Mar 15, 2019 13:51:04 GMT
One could possibly argue that the Jets had been tanking for a while. They held onto a coach that was failing, and then last year they sat their starting rookie QB for a supposed, phantom injury and lots of fans thought that was a decision from up top. Conspiratorial to be sure, but it sort of makes sense.
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