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Post by politicidal on Mar 14, 2019 16:19:46 GMT
There's actually a sizeable community of Asian immigrants in Hawaii. Their weather is more similar to some Asian countries (as compared to other places in the US) and the natives there are apparently more accepting of asian immigrants. I have a number of relatives there. So it's entirely possible that someone is Hawaiin but still be of Chinese descent. Of course. And I'm all for diversity. ALL FOR IT.
But here's my peeve with all this: They're hiring women for female lead movies as if women are the only ones who can direct female lead movies. They're hiring black men for black lead movies as if black men are the only ones who can direct black lead movies. They're hiring Asians for Asian lead movies as if Asians are the only ones who can direct Asian lead movies. etc. etc.
They're just checking off a list. There's no actual real reasoning for it.
And where does that leave me, for example? I'm a Latin male. Am I supposed to direct only movies about Latin Males? Its bad enough that I was probably never going to get the chance to direct movies at all because I'm Latin, but now, in an age where there's supposedly more diversity, I'm not able to take advantage of said diversity unless its within the very narrow window of my own race or gender?
I want to see Ryan Coogler direct ANYTHING because I think he's a good director, not only because he's good at directing black characters.
I want to see Patty Jenkins direct ANYTHING because I think she's a good director, not only because she's good at directing female characters.
The last movie Daniel Destin Cretton (the director in question here) directed was the Glass Castle, a very good little movie that had NOTHING to do with being Asian whatsoever. NOTHING! And its lead is a FEMALE!! Brie Larson!!!
So now I have to wait for Marvel, DC or whatever studio powers that be, to decide its time for a Latin male super hero before I can even be considered, because I'm not female so they wont let me direct Black Widow, or I'm not black so they wont let me direct Black Panther?
Quite frankly, I don't want to direct a Latin male superhero movie. I want to direct Wonder Woman! I want to direct Star Wars! I want to direct 12 years a Slave! I want to direct Lawrence of Arabia!
That would be REAL diversity. I'm very happy for the creators that can take advantage of the new possibilities opening up, but its half-assed.
Basically this. Honestly, I kind of wish they got Justin Lin but I'm kind of hoping the DC snatches him up first.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 14, 2019 16:52:41 GMT
There's actually a sizeable community of Asian immigrants in Hawaii. Their weather is more similar to some Asian countries (as compared to other places in the US) and the natives there are apparently more accepting of asian immigrants. I have a number of relatives there. So it's entirely possible that someone is Hawaiin but still be of Chinese descent. Of course. And I'm all for diversity. ALL FOR IT.
But here's my peeve with all this: They're hiring women for female lead movies as if women are the only ones who can direct female lead movies. They're hiring black men for black lead movies as if black men are the only ones who can direct black lead movies. They're hiring Asians for Asian lead movies as if Asians are the only ones who can direct Asian lead movies. etc. etc.
They're just checking off a list. There's no actual real reasoning for it.
And where does that leave me, for example? I'm a Latin male. Am I supposed to direct only movies about Latin Males? Its bad enough that I was probably never going to get the chance to direct movies at all because I'm Latin, but now, in an age where there's supposedly more diversity, I'm not able to take advantage of said diversity unless its within the very narrow window of my own race or gender?
I want to see Ryan Coogler direct ANYTHING because I think he's a good director, not only because he's good at directing black characters.
I want to see Patty Jenkins direct ANYTHING because I think she's a good director, not only because she's good at directing female characters.
The last movie Daniel Destin Cretton (the director in question here) directed was the Glass Castle, a very good little movie that had NOTHING to do with being Asian whatsoever. NOTHING! And its lead is a FEMALE!! Brie Larson!!!
So now I have to wait for Marvel, DC or whatever studio powers that be, to decide its time for a Latin male super hero before I can even be considered, because I'm not female so they wont let me direct Black Widow, or I'm not black so they wont let me direct Black Panther?
Quite frankly, I don't want to direct a Latin male superhero movie. I want to direct Wonder Woman! I want to direct Star Wars! I want to direct 12 years a Slave! I want to direct Lawrence of Arabia!
That would be REAL diversity. I'm very happy for the creators that can take advantage of the new possibilities opening up, but its half-assed.
Oh I agree with everything you said. I've always been against the idea that the director needs to be the same race and sex as the lead character... because that's kinda being racist and sexist. Just hire the best director for the job. Period. The only thing I was commenting on was that there are a number of Asians in Hawaii. And that you don't necessarily need the correct Asian ancestry to play an Asian character as long as you look the part. I mean, I don't complain when Aussie Hemsworth plays a Nordic demi-god or Israeli Gadot plays Amazon warrior. So I won't complain if a Vietnamese plays a Chinese or Chinese plays Japanese or Thai plays Filipino.
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 14, 2019 17:08:35 GMT
I could say that a person with a similar background or insight into a story/character can be an asset as a director/writer, but in general I agree that just being the same race or gender as the main character doesn't make a good director/writer. A good director/writer with that insight is a bonus. A bad fit/bad director with that insight still is going to make a bad film.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 14, 2019 18:10:11 GMT
Of course. And I'm all for diversity. ALL FOR IT.
But here's my peeve with all this: They're hiring women for female lead movies as if women are the only ones who can direct female lead movies. They're hiring black men for black lead movies as if black men are the only ones who can direct black lead movies. They're hiring Asians for Asian lead movies as if Asians are the only ones who can direct Asian lead movies. etc. etc.
They're just checking off a list. There's no actual real reasoning for it.
And where does that leave me, for example? I'm a Latin male. Am I supposed to direct only movies about Latin Males? Its bad enough that I was probably never going to get the chance to direct movies at all because I'm Latin, but now, in an age where there's supposedly more diversity, I'm not able to take advantage of said diversity unless its within the very narrow window of my own race or gender?
I want to see Ryan Coogler direct ANYTHING because I think he's a good director, not only because he's good at directing black characters.
I want to see Patty Jenkins direct ANYTHING because I think she's a good director, not only because she's good at directing female characters.
The last movie Daniel Destin Cretton (the director in question here) directed was the Glass Castle, a very good little movie that had NOTHING to do with being Asian whatsoever. NOTHING! And its lead is a FEMALE!! Brie Larson!!!
So now I have to wait for Marvel, DC or whatever studio powers that be, to decide its time for a Latin male super hero before I can even be considered, because I'm not female so they wont let me direct Black Widow, or I'm not black so they wont let me direct Black Panther?
Quite frankly, I don't want to direct a Latin male superhero movie. I want to direct Wonder Woman! I want to direct Star Wars! I want to direct 12 years a Slave! I want to direct Lawrence of Arabia!
That would be REAL diversity. I'm very happy for the creators that can take advantage of the new possibilities opening up, but its half-assed.
because that's kinda being racist and sexist. Just hire the best director for the job. Period. And just select the best and most qualified interviewers for the press tour instead of having racial quotas like Brie Larson wants.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Mar 14, 2019 18:36:04 GMT
Look kid, when you have to ignore the blatant fact that there's two powerless assassin's in there already, then you have no argument. First of all I aint your kid, cuz. LOL Secondly I aint ignoring that there's two powerless assassin's in there already. They don't belong either.
But you did ignore it kiddo, you literary had to ignore it to make your point.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Mar 14, 2019 18:39:03 GMT
Of course. And I'm all for diversity. ALL FOR IT.
But here's my peeve with all this: They're hiring women for female lead movies as if women are the only ones who can direct female lead movies. They're hiring black men for black lead movies as if black men are the only ones who can direct black lead movies. They're hiring Asians for Asian lead movies as if Asians are the only ones who can direct Asian lead movies. etc. etc.
They're just checking off a list. There's no actual real reasoning for it.
And where does that leave me, for example? I'm a Latin male. Am I supposed to direct only movies about Latin Males? Its bad enough that I was probably never going to get the chance to direct movies at all because I'm Latin, but now, in an age where there's supposedly more diversity, I'm not able to take advantage of said diversity unless its within the very narrow window of my own race or gender?
I want to see Ryan Coogler direct ANYTHING because I think he's a good director, not only because he's good at directing black characters.
I want to see Patty Jenkins direct ANYTHING because I think she's a good director, not only because she's good at directing female characters.
The last movie Daniel Destin Cretton (the director in question here) directed was the Glass Castle, a very good little movie that had NOTHING to do with being Asian whatsoever. NOTHING! And its lead is a FEMALE!! Brie Larson!!!
So now I have to wait for Marvel, DC or whatever studio powers that be, to decide its time for a Latin male super hero before I can even be considered, because I'm not female so they wont let me direct Black Widow, or I'm not black so they wont let me direct Black Panther?
Quite frankly, I don't want to direct a Latin male superhero movie. I want to direct Wonder Woman! I want to direct Star Wars! I want to direct 12 years a Slave! I want to direct Lawrence of Arabia!
That would be REAL diversity. I'm very happy for the creators that can take advantage of the new possibilities opening up, but its half-assed.
Basically this. Honestly, I kind of wish they got Justin Lin but I'm kind of hoping the DC snatches him up first. Yeah the problem is Hollywood is so used to just including white men that this is the best they can do.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Mar 14, 2019 18:40:03 GMT
because that's kinda being racist and sexist. Just hire the best director for the job. Period. And just select the best and most qualified interviewers for the press tour instead of having racial quotas like Brie Larson wants. Yeah they definitely shouldn't take steps to include different races and genders.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 14, 2019 18:40:39 GMT
First of all I aint your kid, cuz. LOL Secondly I aint ignoring that there's two powerless assassin's in there already. They don't belong either.
But you did ignore it kiddo, you literary had to ignore it to make your point. I didn't ignore anything, cuz. They don't belong either. I just said.
And if you call me kid, or kiddo, or any stupid shit again I'm gonna find out where you live, come get you, and I'm gonna %@## #@%I*^ @t @(@# @@(##())r*# y@(&# ^@(& oKaY?!
p.s. literary? LOL!
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 14, 2019 19:03:54 GMT
And just select the best and most qualified interviewers for the press tour instead of having racial quotas like Brie Larson wants. Yeah they definitely shouldn't take steps to include different races and genders. So jobs should be given to people who may not be as qualified simply because they fit a racial quota? That sounds pretty racist.
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Post by sostie on Mar 14, 2019 19:22:45 GMT
Yeah they definitely shouldn't take steps to include different races and genders. So jobs should be given to people who may not be as qualified simply because they fit a racial quota? That sounds pretty racist. Twisting someone's views to suit your agenda. Ignoring the message they are actually trying to present. Deciding to ignore the evidence that is out there that backs up what they are saying and instead making out there is some act of racisim against white people. That sounds pretty racist.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Mar 14, 2019 20:26:09 GMT
Yeah they definitely shouldn't take steps to include different races and genders. So jobs should be given to people who may not be as qualified simply because they fit a racial quota? That sounds pretty racist. Specifically not including other races is pretty racist, not sure why you're okay with that.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Mar 14, 2019 20:26:55 GMT
But you did ignore it kiddo, you literary had to ignore it to make your point. I didn't ignore anything, cuz. They don't belong either. I just said.
And if you call me kid, or kiddo, or any stupid shit again I'm gonna find out where you live, come get you, and I'm gonna %@## #@%I*^ @t @(@# @@(##())r*# y@( ^@(& oKaY?!
p.s. literary? LOL!
But you did ignore it son.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 14, 2019 20:31:12 GMT
So jobs should be given to people who may not be as qualified simply because they fit a racial quota? That sounds pretty racist. Specifically not including other races is pretty racist, not sure why you're okay with that. So basically you're saying that NBA teams should have more white players even if they suck since NBA teams are predominantly black and you're against selecting people based on their qualifications and instead you want racial quotas. That sounds pretty racist.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 14, 2019 20:32:24 GMT
I didn't ignore anything, cuz. They don't belong either. I just said.
And if you call me kid, or kiddo, or any stupid shit again I'm gonna find out where you live, come get you, and I'm gonna %@## #@%I*^ @t @(@# @@(##())r*# y@(&# ^@(& oKaY?!
p.s. literary? LOL!
But you did ignore it son. Not mentioning something is not ignoring it. It just wasn't on my mind because that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about a whole new character. But once you reminded me of it I agreed.
Characters like Black Widow, Hawkeye, Batman, and even Punisher or Shang-Chi don't belong in stories where you need the likes of Thor and Superman to take out the likes of Zod and Thanos. They would get squashed double quick.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Mar 14, 2019 20:32:32 GMT
Specifically not including other races is pretty racist, not sure why you're okay with that. So basically you're saying that NBA teams should have more white players even if they suck since NBA teams are predominantly black and you're against selecting people based on their qualifications and instead you want racial quotas. That sounds pretty racist. That is racist, and nobody here has said it, not sure why you're bringing up something that isn't happening.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 14, 2019 20:35:00 GMT
So basically you're saying that NBA teams should have more white players even if they suck since NBA teams are predominantly black and you're against selecting people based on their qualifications and instead you want racial quotas. That sounds pretty racist. That is racist, and nobody here has said it, not sure why you're bringing up something that isn't happening. Yes, that is racist because it's selecting people based not on their qualifications but based solely on their race. And that's what Brie Larson wants and what you apparently support and defend. So you've basically admitted that Brie Larson made racist comments and you're defending Brie Larson's racist comments.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Mar 14, 2019 21:35:07 GMT
That is racist, and nobody here has said it, not sure why you're bringing up something that isn't happening. Yes, that is racist because it's selecting people based not on their qualifications but based solely on their race. And that's what Brie Larson wants and what you apparently support and defend. So you've basically admitted that Brie Larson made racist comments and you're defending Brie Larson's racist comments. You keep saying "based solely on their race", you know we can all tell when you've made this stuff up right?
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Mar 15, 2019 3:35:59 GMT
Wonder how long it will take scumbags like Geeks + Gamers to find a totally-not-trolls reason to boycott.
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Post by darkpast on Mar 15, 2019 3:57:55 GMT
Wonder how long it will take scumbags like Geeks + Gamers to find a totally-not-trolls reason to boycott. why would they? they didn't for Black Panther
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