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Post by geode on Mar 14, 2019 12:13:57 GMT
My 2nd cousin, who is a geologist like me, posted the following on Facebook:
"I'm a geologist and I use the scientific method every day as I work to find the energy that makes our modern lives possible. The more I learn about the earth the more I am impressed by the wonder of it.
I also strive every day to learn by listening to the Spirit of God so I can have His direction for my life.
When I say I know something scientifically, it's because I have asked questions, and worked to collect data to test the validity of my hypotheses. When the evidence is overwhelming, I can say that I know.
Spiritual knowledge is the same way. I can say that I know Jesus is the Christ because I have studied his life and teachings. I have asked questions and conducted experiments that have taught me through my experience that this is true. The evidence is overwhelming. I can't convey my results of this spiritual learning in a spreadsheet, but it is real nonetheless. I can only invite you to conduct your own experiment upon the word of God.
Because of my experiments upon the word, I know that Jesus is the Christ, that the Book of Mormon is the word of God, translated by the gift and power of God to his modern Prophet Joseph Smith. Knowing this means that I know that Russell M. Nelson is a prophet of God today and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's kingdom established on Earth once more."
The last I heard my cousin was pursuing a doctorate in geology. I only have an MSc. but although I also believe in the messianic role of Jesus, I don't know how to conduct experiments to prove He is the Christ.
It is easier to approach whether or not the Book of Mormon is the translated word of God. The Mormon church itself may be backing off on the "translated" part of this to favor it as "revelation" instead.
There are also ways to prove or disprove the history in the Book of Mormon. It tells of massive battles using horses and steel for which no evidence has been uncovered.
But even if we assume that my cousin has proven that Jesus is the risen Christ and the Book of Mormon is the word of God, how does this lead to Russell Nelson being a prophet of God, and the present day Mormon church God's kingdom on earth?
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Post by Isapop on Mar 14, 2019 13:16:03 GMT
I don't know how to conduct experiments to prove He is the Christ. That was one of those things we did in elementary school. It may have involved baking soda.
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 14, 2019 13:19:55 GMT
My 2nd cousin, who is a geologist like me, posted the following on Facebook: "I'm a geologist and I use the scientific method every day as I work to find the energy that makes our modern lives possible. The more I learn about the earth the more I am impressed by the wonder of it. I also strive every day to learn by listening to the Spirit of God so I can have His direction for my life. When I say I know something scientifically, it's because I have asked questions, and worked to collect data to test the validity of my hypotheses. When the evidence is overwhelming, I can say that I know. Spiritual knowledge is the same way. I can say that I know Jesus is the Christ because I have studied his life and teachings. I have asked questions and conducted experiments that have taught me through my experience that this is true. The evidence is overwhelming. I can't convey my results of this spiritual learning in a spreadsheet, but it is real nonetheless. I can only invite you to conduct your own experiment upon the word of God. Because of my experiments upon the word, I know that Jesus is the Christ, that the Book of Mormon is the word of God, translated by the gift and power of God to his modern Prophet Joseph Smith. Knowing this means that I know that Russell M. Nelson is a prophet of God today and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's kingdom established on Earth once more."The last I heard my cousin was pursuing a doctorate in geology. I only have an MSc. but although I also believe in the messianic role of Jesus, I don't know how to conduct experiments to prove He is the Christ. It is easier to approach whether or not the Book of Mormon is the translated word of God. The Mormon church itself may be backing off on the "translated" part of this to favor it as "revelation" instead. There are also ways to prove or disprove the history in the Book of Mormon. It tells of massive battles using horses and steel for which no evidence has been uncovered. But even if we assume that my cousin has proven that Jesus is the risen Christ and the Book of Mormon is the word of God, how does this lead to Russell Nelson being a prophet of God, and the present day Mormon church God's kingdom on earth? LOL
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Post by rizdek on Mar 14, 2019 13:21:19 GMT
I don't know how to conduct experiments to prove He is the Christ. That was one of those things we did in elementary school. It may have involved baking soda. It made the little divers swim up and down in a tank of water. That could probably be used to prove Jesus to walk on water.
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Post by geode on Mar 14, 2019 19:05:38 GMT
My 2nd cousin, who is a geologist like me, posted the following on Facebook: "I'm a geologist and I use the scientific method every day as I work to find the energy that makes our modern lives possible. The more I learn about the earth the more I am impressed by the wonder of it. I also strive every day to learn by listening to the Spirit of God so I can have His direction for my life. When I say I know something scientifically, it's because I have asked questions, and worked to collect data to test the validity of my hypotheses. When the evidence is overwhelming, I can say that I know. Spiritual knowledge is the same way. I can say that I know Jesus is the Christ because I have studied his life and teachings. I have asked questions and conducted experiments that have taught me through my experience that this is true. The evidence is overwhelming. I can't convey my results of this spiritual learning in a spreadsheet, but it is real nonetheless. I can only invite you to conduct your own experiment upon the word of God. Because of my experiments upon the word, I know that Jesus is the Christ, that the Book of Mormon is the word of God, translated by the gift and power of God to his modern Prophet Joseph Smith. Knowing this means that I know that Russell M. Nelson is a prophet of God today and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's kingdom established on Earth once more."The last I heard my cousin was pursuing a doctorate in geology. I only have an MSc. but although I also believe in the messianic role of Jesus, I don't know how to conduct experiments to prove He is the Christ. It is easier to approach whether or not the Book of Mormon is the translated word of God. The Mormon church itself may be backing off on the "translated" part of this to favor it as "revelation" instead. There are also ways to prove or disprove the history in the Book of Mormon. It tells of massive battles using horses and steel for which no evidence has been uncovered. But even if we assume that my cousin has proven that Jesus is the risen Christ and the Book of Mormon is the word of God, how does this lead to Russell Nelson being a prophet of God, and the present day Mormon church God's kingdom on earth? LOL There are millions of Mormons that say just about the same things. It really is no more funny than your creationist comments. More sad than funny. But thank you for adding nothing relevent to this discussion.
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 14, 2019 19:12:05 GMT
I have no idea where there is anything funny in what I wrote Cody, care to elighten me? No only the bolded part. That was hilarious.
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Post by geode on Mar 14, 2019 19:14:22 GMT
I have no idea where there is anything funny in what I wrote Cody, care to elighten me? No only the bolded part. That was hilarious. I just edited my comment because I noticed the bolded part after making a reply.
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Post by shadrack on Mar 14, 2019 19:57:27 GMT
But even if we assume that my cousin has proven that Jesus is the risen Christ and the Book of Mormon is the word of God, how does this lead to Russell Nelson being a prophet of God, and the present day Mormon church God's kingdom on earth? I don't know that he's saying it does. The way I read it is "I've tested A and found it to be true, and I've tested B and found it to be true..." rather than "I've tested A and found it to be true, therefore B is also true". That being said, his phrasing is ambiguous and open to (mis)interpretation.
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Post by geode on Mar 14, 2019 20:48:26 GMT
But even if we assume that my cousin has proven that Jesus is the risen Christ and the Book of Mormon is the word of God, how does this lead to Russell Nelson being a prophet of God, and the present day Mormon church God's kingdom on earth? I don't know that he's saying it does. The way I read it is "I've tested A and found it to be true, and I've tested B and found it to be true..." rather than "I've tested A and found it to be true, therefore B is also true". That being said, his phrasing is ambiguous and open to (mis)interpretation. The way I read it he tested "A" and there was no "B" tested. His claim that he has proven the authenticity of Christ and Joseph Smith is "A" and that knowing this he says it is proven the a person living 175 years later is also a true prophet. If he applied new experiments to prove this he doesn't say so.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Mar 14, 2019 21:36:56 GMT
My 2nd cousin, who is a geologist like me, posted the following on Facebook: " ... The evidence is overwhelming. ... " I'm from Missouri.
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Post by geode on Mar 15, 2019 7:43:15 GMT
My 2nd cousin, who is a geologist like me, posted the following on Facebook: " ... The evidence is overwhelming. ... " I'm from Missouri. Would you happen to be from Jackson County, Missouri? Jackaon County link
Or is your point just that you are from the "Show Me State"...?
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Post by Rodney Farber on Mar 15, 2019 13:12:32 GMT
Would you happen to be from Jackson County, Missouri? Jackaon County link
Or is your point just that you are from the "Show Me State"...? Neither. It's an idiom.
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Post by geode on Mar 15, 2019 14:40:49 GMT
Would you happen to be from Jackson County, Missouri? Jackaon County link
Or is your point just that you are from the "Show Me State"...? Neither. It's an idiom. Yes, but apparently based upon one of the options I listed. "Requires proof; needs to be shown. Often used in longer phrases, such as 'Show me, I'm from Missouri' or 'I'm from Missouri and you'll have to show me.' The phrase derives from Missouri's nickname, 'The Show Me State.' Primarily heard in US. There's no way I believe she can eat that many hamburgers in under an hour—I'm from Missouri. The president says his tax plan will make everyone a little bit richer. We'll, I'm from Missouri, and he'll have to show me." link
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Post by goz on Mar 15, 2019 22:43:29 GMT
I find it deeply disturbing that someone allegedly educated to the level of a PHD in a scientific field should make this claim.
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Post by goz on Mar 16, 2019 1:25:51 GMT
That was one of those things we did in elementary school. It may have involved baking soda. Turn baking soda into baking powder. No that, Sir, requires heavy lifting equipment like a grater, sieve and baking apron!
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Post by geode on Mar 16, 2019 7:51:20 GMT
I find it deeply disturbing that someone allegedly educated to the level of a PHD in a scientific field should make this claim. He can't be using the scientific method to prove what he claims to have proven. The Mormons teach that if one inquiries about spiritual matters with questions, that an answer is given by having a "burning in the bosom" for an affirmative and "stupor of thought" for a negative. This is probably all that his study and experiments entailed.
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Post by simianscrote on Mar 17, 2019 2:34:09 GMT
My 2nd cousin, who is a geologist like me, posted the following on Facebook: "I'm a geologist and I use the scientific method every day as I work to find the energy that makes our modern lives possible. The more I learn about the earth the more I am impressed by the wonder of it. I also strive every day to learn by listening to the Spirit of God so I can have His direction for my life. When I say I know something scientifically, it's because I have asked questions, and worked to collect data to test the validity of my hypotheses. When the evidence is overwhelming, I can say that I know. Spiritual knowledge is the same way. I can say that I know Jesus is the Christ because I have studied his life and teachings. I have asked questions and conducted experiments that have taught me through my experience that this is true. The evidence is overwhelming. I can't convey my results of this spiritual learning in a spreadsheet, but it is real nonetheless. I can only invite you to conduct your own experiment upon the word of God. Because of my experiments upon the word, I know that Jesus is the Christ, that the Book of Mormon is the word of God, translated by the gift and power of God to his modern Prophet Joseph Smith. Knowing this means that I know that Russell M. Nelson is a prophet of God today and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's kingdom established on Earth once more." The last I heard my cousin was pursuing a doctorate in geology. I only have an MSc. but although I also believe in the messianic role of Jesus, I don't know how to conduct experiments to prove He is the Christ. It is easier to approach whether or not the Book of Mormon is the translated word of God. The Mormon church itself may be backing off on the "translated" part of this to favor it as "revelation" instead. There are also ways to prove or disprove the history in the Book of Mormon. It tells of massive battles using horses and steel for which no evidence has been uncovered. But even if we assume that my cousin has proven that Jesus is the risen Christ and the Book of Mormon is the word of God, how does this lead to Russell Nelson being a prophet of God, and the present day Mormon church God's kingdom on earth? you will never prove he is the christ as hundreds if not thousands of others have been anointed
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Post by geode on Mar 17, 2019 6:28:56 GMT
My 2nd cousin, who is a geologist like me, posted the following on Facebook: "I'm a geologist and I use the scientific method every day as I work to find the energy that makes our modern lives possible. The more I learn about the earth the more I am impressed by the wonder of it. I also strive every day to learn by listening to the Spirit of God so I can have His direction for my life. When I say I know something scientifically, it's because I have asked questions, and worked to collect data to test the validity of my hypotheses. When the evidence is overwhelming, I can say that I know. Spiritual knowledge is the same way. I can say that I know Jesus is the Christ because I have studied his life and teachings. I have asked questions and conducted experiments that have taught me through my experience that this is true. The evidence is overwhelming. I can't convey my results of this spiritual learning in a spreadsheet, but it is real nonetheless. I can only invite you to conduct your own experiment upon the word of God. Because of my experiments upon the word, I know that Jesus is the Christ, that the Book of Mormon is the word of God, translated by the gift and power of God to his modern Prophet Joseph Smith. Knowing this means that I know that Russell M. Nelson is a prophet of God today and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's kingdom established on Earth once more." The last I heard my cousin was pursuing a doctorate in geology. I only have an MSc. but although I also believe in the messianic role of Jesus, I don't know how to conduct experiments to prove He is the Christ. It is easier to approach whether or not the Book of Mormon is the translated word of God. The Mormon church itself may be backing off on the "translated" part of this to favor it as "revelation" instead. There are also ways to prove or disprove the history in the Book of Mormon. It tells of massive battles using horses and steel for which no evidence has been uncovered. But even if we assume that my cousin has proven that Jesus is the risen Christ and the Book of Mormon is the word of God, how does this lead to Russell Nelson being a prophet of God, and the present day Mormon church God's kingdom on earth? you will never prove he is the christ as hundreds if not thousands of others have been anointed "For many are called, but few are chosen."
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Post by drystyx on Mar 17, 2019 22:42:24 GMT
Whether any of us agree or not, your declaration of personal experience is the first criteria of proof.
A hundred people can tell you there's no smoke outside, but if you go outside and see and smell the smoke, then you have the proof that there's smoke. It isn't in your mind. Especially in a culture in which we can count on people to be control freaks for no reason whatsoever.
I've never read the book of Mormon. It certainly gets bad press. There are some things I know about it that speak badly of it, but I'll keep an open mind.
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Post by geode on Mar 18, 2019 11:33:28 GMT
I have no idea where there is anything funny in what I wrote Cody, care to elighten me? No only the bolded part. That was hilarious. Not quite as hilarious as some of your conspiracy posts, and posts about science.
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