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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 8, 2017 12:40:16 GMT
mslo79 "the movie is forgettable (like most movies in general)" Somehow that reads as a rather profound statement. Movies used to be rather like comics in the Sunday Papers. There to be enjoyed, but not memorialized through the years. What makes the really REALLY REALLY good ones become "classics" is that so many people have remembered them, revisit them and recommend them to other and they do the same !
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Post by Matthew the Swordsman on Apr 8, 2017 15:23:01 GMT
mslo79 "the movie is forgettable (like most movies in general)" Somehow that reads as a rather profound statement. Movies used to be rather like comics in the Sunday Papers. There to be enjoyed, but not memorialized through the years. What makes the really REALLY REALLY good ones become "classics" is that so many people have remembered them, revisit them and recommend them to other and they do the same ! For example, a lot of 1930s/1940s films only became really well known because of TV exposure in the 1960s/1970s (I believe the RKO library in particular was shown a lot). An early example of this is "The Wizard of Oz" (1939). It actually lost money when originally released. But much-seen yearly TV broadcasts from the 1950s-onwards were largely responsible for making it a very well-known film. |
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Post by fangirl1975 on Apr 8, 2017 17:15:57 GMT
Who Framed Roger Rabbit seems to have been forgotten.
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Post by sariz on Apr 8, 2017 19:52:34 GMT
The mask of Zorro
I remember this was very successful when it was released but with time people forgot about it
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Post by flasuss on Apr 8, 2017 20:18:48 GMT
Yeah, I don't think you're really familiar with the words "blockbuster" or "forgotten". |
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Post by azzajones on Apr 8, 2017 22:36:27 GMT
The Simpsons Movie
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Post by mslo79 on Apr 9, 2017 2:42:26 GMT
mslo79 "the movie is forgettable (like most movies in general)" Somehow that reads as a rather profound statement. Movies used to be rather like comics in the Sunday Papers. There to be enjoyed, but not memorialized through the years. What makes the really REALLY REALLY good ones become "classics" is that so many people have remembered them, revisit them and recommend them to other and they do the same ! Exactly. hence, my point. something that's enjoyable, especially to a higher degree(like a movie that stands out above most other movies), tends to be remembered by people over the long term. like even sticking to movies that are at least semi-known, even most of those are forgettable to most people. because if a movie is not played on TV much or recommended/talked about by people much in general then it's mostly forgotten at the least and i am sure there are many movies out there that are almost completely forgotten. hell, there was a thread around here not long ago which i think was talking about mostly forgotten movies and someone mentioned 2012 (2009) as that movie made over 3/4th of a billion $$$ at the theaters and it's basically forgotten(or at least mostly) already. i was surprised to find out that movie made THAT much at the theaters as i would have never guessed it as usually movies that make that much should hang around a while but that seems to be mostly forgotten already. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 9, 2017 2:59:33 GMT
Dickens and Twain and Doyle wrote stories that were published in magazines. They were meant to be read and hopefully enjoyed and then discarded. They were not intended to become 'classics'. That is something that just happened because they were good and popular and people just wanted to read them over and over. . As with classic books, movies were meant to be enjoyed with no intention that they be memorialized through the years. That they are remembered and immortalized is an extra. mslo79 |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 9, 2017 3:03:27 GMT
Yeah, I don't think you're really familiar with the words "blockbuster" or "forgotten". I wondered about that one too. The term "blockbuster" more commonly refers to action films does it not ? I did take the OP to mean pictures that were BIG at one time so gave 'um some slack on the definition. |
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 9, 2017 3:12:02 GMT
Who Framed Roger Rabbit seems to have been forgotten. Oh, gee, really? You think so? If so, that's just terrible. It's one of my favorites! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 3:21:35 GMT
I think people need to define what "Forgotten" means...
Movies such as "Avatar" and "Inception" aren't forgotten. The reasons they are on repeat in Syndication is because they still bring in high ratings for a film in syndication for that network... If they didn't, they wouldn't air it.
Forgotten films that were very popular at their time would be titles such as...
"Slumdog Millionaire"
"Zero Dark Thirty"
"Shakespeare in Love"
"Robin Hood: Prince of Theives"
"Precious"
"12 Years a Slave"
"Lee Daniels: The Butler"
"Mystic River"
"Chocolat"
"The English Patient"
A Beautiful Mind"
These are examples of very popular films that were the topic of everyone's film discussion at their time of release and you never hear about them anymore.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 9, 2017 4:06:19 GMT
Who Framed Roger Rabbit seems to have been forgotten. Oh, gee, really? You think so? If so, that's just terrible. It's one of my favorites! If it helps any, Salzmank ,I remember it and liked it and still like it. The ride at Disneyland was fun too ! |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 9, 2017 4:11:05 GMT
@mellomoviereview
Some of the pictures on your list came up recently over on the cfb. They were on either "the "pictures you liked but now don't like " or the "pictures you hated when they first came out but now either like or at least don't hate" threads. Some were probably mentioned on both.
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 9, 2017 5:05:59 GMT
Oh, gee, really? You think so? If so, that's just terrible. It's one of my favorites! If it helps any, Salzmank ,I remember it and liked it and still like it. The ride at Disneyland was fun too ! Thanks, Bat! I suppose I like it so much because I went into it not expecting anything special, at least besides silly cartoon antics. But, besides the obvious novelty value of seeing both Disney and Looney Tunes characters in the same movie, it's actually a great movie. Not in the "well, it's a great kids movie," or "animated movie," or so forth, but in an actual cinematic, I-am-unashamed-to-say-that-it-is-great way. Or, in other words, if, heaven forbid, the animated parts were removed, people would be applauding the lighting, acting, directing, writing, etc. The late Bob Hoskins, in particular, is superb as private eye Eddie Valiant. It's a grand performance. Naturally, me being me, with my love with the '30s and '40s, I love the atmosphere. And I know well that it's still a beloved little film by many, but fangirl1975's comment worried me because many people nowadays may just not know it or, indeed, have forgotten about it and have no interest in showing it to their kids. Probably shouldn't worry me so much, except that it's a part of the general trend of "gee, my kid wouldn't be interested, that's an old movie"--yeah, some "old movie," being from '88! |
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 9, 2017 5:09:26 GMT
I think people need to define what "Forgotten" means... Movies such as "Avatar" and "Inception" aren't forgotten. The reasons they are on repeat in Syndication is because they still bring in high ratings for a film in syndication for that network... If they didn't, they wouldn't air it. Forgotten films that were very popular at their time would be titles such as... "Slumdog Millionaire" "Zero Dark Thirty" "Shakespeare in Love" "Robin Hood: Prince of Theives" "Precious" "12 Years a Slave" "Lee Daniels: The Butler" "Mystic River" "Chocolat" "The English Patient" A Beautiful Mind" These are examples of very popular films that were the topic of everyone's film discussion at their time of release and you never hear about them anymore. That's a point I made too. I don't think Avatar or Inception is forgotten--though, if someone else has information I don't (I strongly disliked Avatar the first time I saw it and have made it a priority not to follow any news on it or potential sequels that will inflate James Cameron's already overinflated bank-book, and--should I admit this?--I have never seen Inception, though I do intend to), I'm willing to reconsider this opinion. I would agree, however, that many of the titles on your list, including (of those that I've seen) Shakespeare in Love, Robin Hood, and Chocolat, are forgotten. Interesting what our definitions would be for the term. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 9, 2017 5:22:01 GMT
SalzmankI found that Roger was one of those "gets better the more you see it" films. I would have to guess that it would go over better with an audience that remembers just what it is actually an homage to and "gets" many of the in-jokes that are rather era-related. I don't know how you feel about "The Last Action Hero" which is either hated or dismissed in some places (looking around) but I love that picture ! " many people nowadays may just not know it or, indeed, have forgotten about it and have no interest in showing it to their kids." That's so true of many incredible films, isn't it. Yesterdays news. Who will ever forget stuff like this ? Eddie Valiant: You crazy rabbit! I'm out there risking my neck for you, and what are you doing? Singing and dancing! Roger Rabbit: But I'm a toon. Toons are supposed to make people laugh. Eddie Valiant: Sit down! Roger Rabbit: You don't understand. Those people needed to laugh. Eddie Valiant: Then when they're done laughing, they'll call the cops. That guy Angelo would rat on you for a nickel. Roger Rabbit: Not Angelo. He'd never turn me in. Eddie Valiant: Why? Because you made him laugh? Roger Rabbit: That's right! A laugh can be a very powerful thing. Why, sometimes in life, it's the only weapon we have.
<I wonder if we dare post a thread about this particular film over there ( you know where). The nostalgia factor and homage to the classics might fly discussionwise.>
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 9, 2017 5:37:27 GMT
Salzmank I found that Roger was one of those "gets better the more you see it" films. I would have to guess that it would go over better with an audience that remembers just what it is actually an homage to and "gets" many of the in-jokes that are rather era-related. I don't know how you feel about "The Last Action Hero" which is either hated or dismissed in some places (looking around) but I love that picture ! " many people nowadays may just not know it or, indeed, have forgotten about it and have no interest in showing it to their kids." That's so true of many incredible films, isn't it. Yesterdays news. Very true, my friend. Very true. If you'll humor me with a bit of a rant... In school, I was in a film class with something of a crackpot of a teacher--real nice guy, but he was--er-- different, let's say. (For one thing, he wore a black t-shirt and blue jeans every day. Every single day. Nothing else. Not the same clothes, I hasten to add, but a different black t-shirt and jeans every day. One day, an aide said to him, "Pete, why do you wear the same outfit every day?" And he said, completely seriously, "So that I don't have to think of what I want to wear every morning." When he had to go to a conference or some other big event, he didn't bother to dress up--oh, no. He just put a sport jacket over the black t-shirt and jeans. What a guy!) Anyway, I believe I was the only person in the class to have watched a movie pre-1970--and that includes the teacher. I continue to believe that the oldest movie he ever saw was Jaws--at least, it was the only movie he'd talk about, and, once you got him talking, you couldn't shut him up about it! (I can't tell you how many times we analyzed the damned "Sinking of the Indianapolis" scene. It's a great scene, don't get me wrong, but we must have looked at that one scene a billion times so that he could say some vague words about how to stage dialogue.) I continue to believe, too, that he was just making it up as he went along. He once told the class that Orson Welles was English--and, when I let him know afterwards (in privacy) that Orson was born in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and raised in Chicago, he just told me, "Well, he sounded English," and walked off. I made some rather nostalgic movies in that class--a number of Westerns, a film noir, and a Hitchcockian thriller. Pete would say, "I love what you're doin', kid, I love what you're doin'." I told him thanks, but then he never understood the references I was making in my movies and never really understood my directorial choices. I'd tell him that I was taking inspiration from Howard Hawks in Red River, and he'd just nod and say, "Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yup, sure. Love what you're doin', kid, love what you're doin'." I'm forever thankful to him for giving me carte blanche to go off and make lots of movies, but it always cracks me up that not even a film teacher, who is paid to teach this stuff, knew that much about his subject area! Apologies for the rant, but it does have something to do with the subject at hand, no? |
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 9, 2017 5:46:27 GMT
Superman returns, cutthroat island, the amazing Spider-Man, speed racer Cutthroat Island bombed at the BO didn't it? |
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 9, 2017 5:48:11 GMT
Yeah, I don't think you're really familiar with the words "blockbuster" or "forgotten". I don't mean to be rude towards flasuss but that is hilarious and true. |
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 9, 2017 5:49:12 GMT
Superman returns, cutthroat island, the amazing Spider-Man, speed racer Cutthroat Island bombed at the BO didn't it? Haven't seen it (though it does seem like the kind of movie I'd like--I love pirate and adventure movies), but, from what I've heard, yes, it's apparently one of the worst box office bombs of all time. That does not, of course, say anything pro or con for the quality of the film. |
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