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Post by kevin on Mar 24, 2019 18:27:19 GMT
With just 3 weeks left, let's discuss season 7 before the 2nd trailer and other promotional stuff for season 8 will be released and that's all we talk about. Here's some data for season 6 and a list of the episodes: | Episode | IMDb rating | Rotten Tom avg | Viewer numbers (millions) | | Dragonstone | 8.7 | 8.4 | 10.11 | | Stormborn | 9.0 | 8.3 | 9.27 | | The Queen's Justice | 9.3 | 8.0 | 9.25 | | The Spoils of War | 9.8 | 9.2 | 10.17 | | Eastwatch | 9.0 | 8.1 | 10.72 | | Beyond the Wall | 9.2 | 8.2 | 10.24 | | The Wolf and the Lion | 9.6 | 8.7 | 12.07 | | AVG | 9.23 | 8.41 | 10.26 |
What did you think of season 7 in general? What where your favorite moments/episodes/characters/plot twists and what were your least favorite ones? What would you have changed? This is just a general discussion of everything relating to season 7, so say what you want  . |
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Post by kevin on Mar 24, 2019 18:33:28 GMT
Now that all seasons have been covered, here's a ranking of the seasons according to IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes & Viewer Numbers.
Concerning Rotten Tomatoes it's worth noting that the later seasons have way more rated reviews, which means that getting high average ratings was significantly easier during for the earlier seasons. What can be seen is that season 7 ranked quite high in the IMDb & RT rankings, even though I've heard it being called the worst season so far by a few people. I'd personally say that, excluding the episode 'Beyond the Wall', season 7 is pretty great
IMDb
Season 4: 9.33
Season 7: 9.23
Season 6: 9.12
Season 1: 9.11
Season 3: 9.10
Season 2: 9.03
Season 5: 8.90
Rotten Tomatoes
Season 4: 9.00
Season 1: 8.86
Season 2: 8.60
Season 7: 8.41
Season 3: 8.39
Season 5: 8.38
Season 6: 8.25
Viewer Numbers (millions)
Season 7: 10.26
Season 6: 7.89
Season 5: 6.88
Season 4: 6.85
Season 3: 4.97
Season 2: 3.80
Season 1: 2.52
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 25, 2019 12:09:41 GMT
I do not think there is a bad or worst season. I have watched this show through so many times now I have seriously lost count. I am just finishing up season five right now on my rewatch. Season five is the season with some not so great parts (basically anything involving Dorne), but even it is fantastic. I still say Season Four is the best season, so these rankings have that right at least.
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Post by Seto on Mar 26, 2019 0:34:55 GMT
I think most would agree Season Seven is by far the worst.
Even casual fans noticed something seriously wrong, by episode six. The contrivances and childish fan-service are off the charts.
Lets go through shall we.
1. The poor tension building between Sansa and Jon, then Sansa and Arya. Nice try D&D, we saw right through that.
2. The Death of Littlefinger, beyond contrived.
3. Jorah miraculously cured of Grey-Scale, So what was the point of him having it??
4. Tyrion battle tactics, so clearly designed to give Cersei longer relevance. Daenerys should have won the "war" instantly
5. The Purpose of the Wight Hunt. Again to give Cersei relevance. Why do they need her help when they just decimated her army??
6. Everything that happens with the Wight Hunt.
7. Jon and Daenerys "Romance," Has there ever been two actors with less chemistry??
There's so much more, like Bran turning into Mr. Plot convenience, Sam's literal shit show at the citadel, and of course the abundant teleporters.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 26, 2019 2:06:27 GMT
I think most would agree Season Seven is by far the worst. Even casual fans noticed something seriously wrong, by episode six. The contrivances and childish fan-service are off the charts. Lets go through shall we. 1. The poor tension building between Sansa and Jon, then Sansa and Arya. Nice try D&D, we saw right through that. 2. The Death of Littlefinger, beyond contrived. 3. Jorah miraculously cured of Grey-Scale, So what was the point of him having it?? 4. Tyrion battle tactics, so clearly designed to give Cersei longer relevance. Daenerys should have won the "war" instantly 5. The Purpose of the Wight Hunt. Again to give Cersei relevance. Why do they need her help when they just decimated her army?? 6. Everything that happens with the Wight Hunt. 7. Jon and Daenerys "Romance," Has there ever been two actors with less chemistry?? There's so much more, like Bran turning into Mr. Plot convenience, Sam's literal shit show at the citadel, and of course the abundant teleporters. I doubt most would agree season seven was the worst, let alone 'by far.' A cursory glance at the
IMDB ratings doesn't suggest it, though I'm aware there's corrupting influences reflected in those ratings there's no reason to think they'd favor seven over five or six.
1. I liked that Sansa/Jon and Sansa/Arya clashed, they ought to, they're very different sorts of people, especially now after their varied experiences the past several years. 2. Littlefinger has been playing a very dangerous game since the first season, all that was needed were two or three people to sit down and talk to each other and his goose was cooked--it finally happened.
3. It was a difficult and painful procedure that demonstrated Sam's prowess and connected him to one of the Targaryen team.
4. Clearly designed to minimize battle casualties and encourage the Fleabottom mob to rise and take care of Cersei themselves. It was however too much mucking about at sea with troop-laden transports with an unburdened and superior opposing fleet in the vicinity--just the kind of mistake an armchair general might make.
5. They didn't need/ask for her help, they just wanted a truce so Cersei didn't move back into the Reach or elsewhere whilst they sent their full force north ASAP as they thought time of the essence.
6. Great episode though, it does need viewer assistance for best effect.
7. Yes, that's certainly not the worst I've seen. I wouldn't place it high though.
Teleporters/time skips were the worst this past season. I liked Sam's montage at the Citadel, I couldn't help but wonder if it was an unsubtle way of implying the Maesters were often full of shit. Bran hasn't done much so far, not really anything Brynden Rivers couldn't have told him if he still had an intelligence network.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 26, 2019 5:57:16 GMT
Lets go through shall we. 1. The poor tension building between Sansa and Jon, then Sansa and Arya. Nice try D&D, we saw right through that. 2. The Death of Littlefinger, beyond contrived. 3. Jorah miraculously cured of Grey-Scale, So what was the point of him having it?? 4. Tyrion battle tactics, so clearly designed to give Cersei longer relevance. Daenerys should have won the "war" instantly 5. The Purpose of the Wight Hunt. Again to give Cersei relevance. Why do they need her help when they just decimated her army?? 6. Everything that happens with the Wight Hunt. 7. Jon and Daenerys "Romance," Has there ever been two actors with less chemistry?? There's so much more, like Bran turning into Mr. Plot convenience, Sam's literal shit show at the citadel, and of course the abundant teleporters. 1. Tension between Sansa and Jon started in S6 and was completely gratuitous there too. 3. Jorah sent to "find a cure" on his own by the woman who wields the most power in Essos was always ridiculous to start with. Meereen was the best place to start looking, if only to find a means of transport somewhere else and the safest way of getting there was by staying with Daenerys. Logic was replaced by a tear jerking scene for idiots. Bran was growing into a plot trick in S6 already, irrelevant Sam was puking in a pail there too and it was obvious that some Dornish thugs had stolen Littlefinger's teleporter in King's Landing the last time he used it. So while I never saw S7, I stand firm on calling S6 the first turd, for pretty much the same reasons exposed above. S8 will be of the same sort of course, after all it works well as a money maker.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 26, 2019 8:59:36 GMT
I doubt most would agree season seven was the worst, let alone 'by far.' A cursory glance at the
IMDB ratings doesn't suggest it, though I'm aware there's corrupting influences reflected in those ratings there's no reason to think they'd favor seven over five or six. 1. I liked that Sansa/Jon and Sansa/Arya clashed, they ought to, they're very different sorts of people, especially now after their varied experiences the past several years. 2. Littlefinger has been playing a very dangerous game since the first season, all that was needed were two or three people to sit down and talk to each other and his goose was cooked--it finally happened. 3. It was a difficult and painful procedure that demonstrated Sam's prowess and connected him to one of the Targaryen team. 1. Yes, Sansa and Arya should clash but it should be in a realistic way. When so many people complain that it made no sense, I believe them. Compare their antagonism to that between Cersei and Margaery, which was happening at multiple levels and you'll see how much of a cartoon the whole thing has become. 2. So Littlefinger suddenly made beginner's mistakes and was found out by the magic spy who sees everything. Seriously, this was a very bad joke. You are now bringing arguments like "the results are right, who cares if the maths along the way are sloppy?" Well, the maths were what made this thing worth watching in the first place. 3. Fat Sam is worth something after all, yeah! Well, Fat Sam was a fool all along the series and this is just more of that catering to egalitarian shits. I saw the "loot train attack" and it was just as ridiculously illogical as the battle against Ramsay in S6. Dothraki charging lines before the dragon attacks, standing on horses to shoot arrows, Daenerys burning supplies instead of stealing them. An insulting fool pleaser.
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Post by Marv on Mar 26, 2019 9:48:54 GMT
Loved the cold open...The Frey toast.
Arya vs Brienne
Euron vs the Snakes
The general sense of differing strategies between Tyrion and Dany.
Spoils of War battle sequence.
Entire trip beyond the Wall.
The whole last episode.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 26, 2019 11:50:03 GMT
Loved the cold open...The Frey toast. Arya vs Brienne Euron vs the Snakes The general sense of differing strategies between Tyrion and Dany. Spoils of War battle sequence. Entire trip beyond the Wall. The whole last episode. Exactly. Season seven is way better than season five. I think the poster who stated that most agree season seven is the worst is WAY off. There is absolutely nothing to back that up. If you go by Metacritic, Rotten Tomatoes, IMDB, etc. it shows season five being the least favorite and season four usually being the favorite. That is how I have my rankings, actually. Season seven had some tremendous scenes throughout.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 26, 2019 11:51:08 GMT
I doubt most would agree season seven was the worst, let alone 'by far.' A cursory glance at the
IMDB ratings doesn't suggest it, though I'm aware there's corrupting influences reflected in those ratings there's no reason to think they'd favor seven over five or six. 1. I liked that Sansa/Jon and Sansa/Arya clashed, they ought to, they're very different sorts of people, especially now after their varied experiences the past several years. 2. Littlefinger has been playing a very dangerous game since the first season, all that was needed were two or three people to sit down and talk to each other and his goose was cooked--it finally happened. 3. It was a difficult and painful procedure that demonstrated Sam's prowess and connected him to one of the Targaryen team. 1. Yes, Sansa and Arya should clash but it should be in a realistic way. When so many people complain that it made no sense, I believe them. Compare their antagonism to that between Cersei and Margaery, which was happening at multiple levels and you'll see how much of a cartoon the whole thing has become. 2. So Littlefinger suddenly made beginner's mistakes and was found out by the magic spy who sees everything. Seriously, this was a very bad joke. You are now bringing arguments like "the results are right, who cares if the maths along the way are sloppy?" Well, the maths were what made this thing worth watching in the first place. 3. Fat Sam is worth something after all, yeah! Well, Fat Sam was a fool all along the series and this is just more of that catering to egalitarian shits. I saw the "loot train attack" and it was just as ridiculously illogical as the battle against Ramsay in S6. Dothraki charging lines before the dragon attacks, standing on horses to shoot arrows, Daenerys burning supplies instead of stealing them. An insulting fool pleaser. Why do you constantly give your opinion on a season you have never seen?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 26, 2019 13:10:21 GMT
1. Yes, Sansa and Arya should clash but it should be in a realistic way. When so many people complain that it made no sense, I believe them. Compare their antagonism to that between Cersei and Margaery, which was happening at multiple levels and you'll see how much of a cartoon the whole thing has become. 2. So Littlefinger suddenly made beginner's mistakes and was found out by the magic spy who sees everything. Seriously, this was a very bad joke. You are now bringing arguments like "the results are right, who cares if the maths along the way are sloppy?" Well, the maths were what made this thing worth watching in the first place. 3. Fat Sam is worth something after all, yeah! Well, Fat Sam was a fool all along the series and this is just more of that catering to egalitarian shits. I saw the "loot train attack" and it was just as ridiculously illogical as the battle against Ramsay in S6. Dothraki charging lines before the dragon attacks, standing on horses to shoot arrows, Daenerys burning supplies instead of stealing them. An insulting fool pleaser. Why do you constantly give your opinion on a season you have never seen? Because I can detect nonsense in recaps. I don't need to see a trash script play out to know it is.
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Post by Seto on Mar 26, 2019 13:48:07 GMT
DSD and Marendil, I'm happy for you guys liking Season seven. I mean that genuinely, at least some people got enjoyment out of it. But I truly believe you guys are in the minority here. Everyone I know thinks its the worst season, and almost everything I've read or watched online, indicates the same. And Marendil, all your responses to my complaints... They are fine if thats how you sincerely interpret the show. I simply disagree entirely.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 26, 2019 13:56:27 GMT
DSD and Marendil, I'm happy for you guys liking Season seven. I mean that genuinely, at least some people got enjoyment out of it. But I truly believe you guys are in the minority here. Everyone I know thinks its the worst season, and almost everything I've read or watched online, indicates the same. And Marendil, all your responses to my complaints... They are fine if thats how you sincerely interpret the show. I simply disagree entirely. Except you are wrong. This is not my opinion. By simply using any metric you want to, season seven is a high rated season. Fan and critic ratings on all the major aggregate review sites agree. It is not my favorite season. Not in the slightest. In fact, it might be my least favorite season after season five, but still. You cannot use this argument. "Everyone I know and talk to thinks this....." It is not a logical argument because all of the facts are against it. You cannot say everything you watched and read online agrees, because it does not. Every major review site actually disagrees. One thing I can say with a 100% fact is that the production values in Season Six and Seven are far better than anything done before. The show has a movie like feel and is shot to perfection. Season Seven is shot better than every season before it. The only other episodes that come close are Blackwater and The Watchers of the Wall.
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Post by Seto on Mar 26, 2019 14:10:34 GMT
DSD and Marendil, I'm happy for you guys liking Season seven. I mean that genuinely, at least some people got enjoyment out of it. But I truly believe you guys are in the minority here. Everyone I know thinks its the worst season, and almost everything I've read or watched online, indicates the same. And Marendil, all your responses to my complaints... They are fine if thats how you sincerely interpret the show. I simply disagree entirely. Except you are wrong. Ok... Like I said, believe whatever you want. Tell me I'm wrong as much as you like. I really couldn't care less.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 26, 2019 15:59:59 GMT
Ok... Like I said, believe whatever you want. Tell me I'm wrong as much as you like. I really couldn't care less. I believe the truth. You just say that a large majority of people thought season seven was the worst season, when they did not by every metric out there. You are wrong.
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 26, 2019 18:26:39 GMT
I can only speak for myself - this is my least favourite season. I was disappointed by many things. It felt rushed. Gendry running back all the way to wall to get Dany's help and Dany coming all the way from Dragonstone to the team's rescue was a slight on intelligence of most of the viewers. Jon's spending so much of time in Dragonstone and the forced romance between Jon and Dany felt annoying. Episode 4 was awesome though.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 26, 2019 19:02:43 GMT
Gendry running back all the way to wall to get Dany's help Come on, Gendry Maratheon was the best joke in the whole series 
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Post by kevin on Mar 26, 2019 19:20:00 GMT
Now that we have threads for all 7 seasons, how would you rank the seasons? My ranking:
1. Season 4
2. Season 6
3. Season 3
4. Season 1
5. Season 7
6/7. Season 2/5
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 27, 2019 7:15:19 GMT
I don't rank things, this is a pointless puerile game, but I'll categorise the first four as best quality, the 5th as waning and the 6th as a disgrace.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 27, 2019 12:01:19 GMT
Rankings for this show are so difficult. So many seasons are so close. I rank them like this I think:
Season Four
Season Three
Season Two
Season Six
Season One
Season Five
Season Seven
Even then I am not sure. They are all good honestly.
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