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Post by moviemouth on Mar 25, 2019 4:14:51 GMT
Besides it being FAR better made than most religious films, what also sets it apart from the movies you are talking about is that it is actually a story from the Bible. I mean it is really just taking a story from the Bible and drawing it out for dramatic affect, unlike those horribly written religious modern propaganda films you usually watch. Yeah true. Not all biblical films I would say are better though. The Nativity Story was boring as hell. I doubt it is offensive though.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Mar 25, 2019 4:16:32 GMT
Yeah true. Not all biblical films I would say are better though. The Nativity Story was boring as hell.I doubt it is offensive though. It is not.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 25, 2019 4:22:10 GMT
I doubt it is offensive though. It is not. The religious movies you usually talk about sound blatantly offensive. They sound like movies made and produced by religious nutjobs like Kirk Cameron. That is the only reason I brought it up.
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Post by Sulla on Mar 25, 2019 4:57:40 GMT
It has good cinematography and a good soundtrack by Peter Gabriel. It's primarily made for believers. If it were for general audiences, Gibson would've done a regular biopic instead of obsessing over the pain and suffering of a few days. One viewing was enough for me. You are thinking of The Last Temptation of Christ. The Passion of the Christ has a good score too, but it is composed by John Debney. Oops!  Debney it is.
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 25, 2019 5:00:00 GMT
Yeah, being Christian will definitely help see meaning in this movie. basically you could say something like... Jesus Christ died for us and that opens Heaven to humanity as prior to that event Heaven was closed off to humanity after the fall of Adam/Eve. but one could also say it shows God's love for us if He(as in God the Father) put His only Son(Jesus Christ) through THAT much suffering to open Heaven to humanity. but yet many reject Him anyways  it took a lot of humility for Jesus Christ to do that... imagine being the Creator and having to go into a human body and suffer that greatly just to open Heaven for humanity to (possibly) enter. but anyways, I suspect that movie connected with many out there and it's a movie that's nice to see here and there as the years pass and think about a bit etc. we are all going to see Him one day once we pass from this life into the next but for some that won't be a pleasant experience (i.e. those that rejected Him in this earthly life and lived a life of sin etc. basically those who end up in hell.) while for others, those that ultimately make it to Heaven, it's going to be a amazing time as imagine being in a constant state of perfect happiness (there is no suffering in Heaven whatsoever) that far exceeds anything one can possibly experience here on earth. it's a wonder some people persist in evil ways knowing the consequences of rejecting Jesus Christ have eternal consequences if they fail to repent before passing from this life into the next. some might see that as Him forcing us to behave a certain way etc but they overlook the truth that humanity no longer see's right and wrong properly after the fall of Adam/Eve and now some things that appear appealing to us are not actually good etc. so basically it's in our own interest to try our best to follow His standards even when we don't always like it. because in the end... those who try to follow the truth, win, and win majorly. I am sure you get the gist of it  p.s. for the record... The Passion of the Christ (2004) my 2nd favorite religious themed movie behind The Song of Bernadette (1943) as those two stand out from the rest as they are among My Favorite Movies in general which contain 173 movies. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 8:18:48 GMT
It's a masterpiece of Cinema.
When a movie cuts you that deep and makes you remember it years later, it's done it's job.
Too often do we see a good film, a competent film, or a fun/entertaining film and forget about it days later. Then a few years later you can't really remember it that well.
This film sticks with you.
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Post by Winter_King on Mar 25, 2019 9:44:59 GMT
It's okay. Excellent cinematography but I think believers will appreciate this more. The Last Temptation of Christ is a better story of Jesus IMO.
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Post by Caesium137 on Mar 25, 2019 10:02:27 GMT
Never seen it but Im intrigued about it now given some of the comments in this thread on how its brutal and not rewatchable. I've seen maybe 2 or 3 minute clips from the movie on youtube and it left a impression so I may watch the whole run soon.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Mar 25, 2019 16:41:40 GMT
It’s a great movie, but I don’t enjoy it. I can’t imagine watching it and not being a Christian. It’s tailor-made for religious people (Catholic’s especially).
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 25, 2019 17:24:22 GMT
Gibson's ultimate expression of his personal masochism which is "permissible" here because it is cloaked in religion.
It has always been there in his films but is finally let loose here where he had total control and an "excuse" for including it to a greater extent even than that shown in Braveheart.
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Post by Vits on Mar 25, 2019 22:43:39 GMT
I wasn’t offended by the graphic violence in THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST; I was offended by the use of it. This movie enhances the stereotype that religions are about making people feel guilty. I don’t agree with that aspect of Mel Gibson’s approach, but I do agree with other aspects. He added his own visual style and symbolism, he made a historical movie with the correct language, and he gave a lot of characters (no matter how small the role) a meaningful moment. The technical aspects are very good and Jim Caviezel's performance was excellent. 6/10 ------------------------------------- You can read comments of other movies in my blog.There is no final "verdict" anymore than there is a final verdict on religion right now. But yeah, truly getting it depends on how/if you perceive the Bible. I disagree. It's a movie. It may be based on the Bible, but it's still a movie, and it should be judged as such. Maybe I'd agree with you if it was literally the only movie based on the Bible. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 25, 2019 23:19:48 GMT
Vits But ..don't you consider it part of the BIBLE FRANCHISE ?
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Post by THawk on Mar 26, 2019 0:59:04 GMT
I wasn’t offended by the graphic violence in THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST; I was offended by the use of it. This movie enhances the stereotype that religions are about making people feel guilty. I don’t agree with that aspect of Mel Gibson’s approach, but I do agree with other aspects. He added his own visual style and symbolism, he made a historical movie with the correct language, and he gave a lot of characters (no matter how small the role) a meaningful moment. The technical aspects are very good and Jim Caviezel's performance was excellent. 6/10 ------------------------------------- You can read comments of other movies in my blog.There is no final "verdict" anymore than there is a final verdict on religion right now. But yeah, truly getting it depends on how/if you perceive the Bible. I disagree. It's a movie. It may be based on the Bible, but it's still a movie, and it should be judged as such. Maybe I'd agree with you if it was literally the only movie based on the Bible. ? Of course it should be judged as a movie. I just mean that there are many different opinions about it.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 28, 2019 12:12:35 GMT
As a directorial achievement, it is quite a stunning film and Gibson is one of the best actors turned directors. He understands the language of cinema. As a story itself and taking out the subjective religious agenda\propaganda themes that Gibson imbued into his film and his reason for making it, what we are really left with, is a film about a man who is degraded, humiliated, defiled, taunted and tortured for 2hrs. This is really a hard call to ask of any viewer to endure, especially if one isn't Christian and won't connect emotionally with the plight of this man known as Jesus Christ, who supposedly suffered and died for humanities sins.  I myself was very detached from this film as an experience. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 28, 2019 12:24:25 GMT
I wasn’t offended by the graphic violence in THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST; I was offended by the use of it. This movie enhances the stereotype that religions are about making people feel guilty. I don’t agree with that aspect of Mel Gibson’s approach, but I do agree with other aspects. He added his own visual style and symbolism, he made a historical movie with the correct language, and he gave a lot of characters (no matter how small the role) a meaningful moment. The technical aspects are very good and Jim Caviezel's performance was excellent. 6/10 ------------------------------------- You can read comments of other movies in my blog.I disagree. It's a movie. It may be based on the Bible, but it's still a movie, and it should be judged as such. Maybe I'd agree with you if it was literally the only movie based on the Bible. ? Of course it should be judged as a movie. I just mean that there are many different opinions about it. As there are ALL movies. The film was designed to be some sort of spiritual and ultimately cathartic experience I would say for believers, but this would be lost on non Christian viewers. It doesn't matter which way one spins it, it is distorted Christian propaganda. The symbolism is also hollow and shallow. Black and White notions of Good vs Evil and dressed up as truth does not thematically a strong movie make. It used shock value to sledgehammer its misaligned point. Martin Scorsese's The Last Temptation Of Christ - 88' is superior.
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Post by THawk on Mar 28, 2019 18:39:38 GMT
? Of course it should be judged as a movie. I just mean that there are many different opinions about it.As there are ALL movies. The film was designed to be some sort of spiritual and ultimately cathartic experience I would say for believers, but this would be lost on non Christian viewers. It doesn't matter which way one spins it, it is distorted Christian propaganda. The symbolism is also hollow and shallow. Black and White notions of Good vs Evil and dressed up as truth does not thematically a strong movie make. It used shock value to sledgehammer its misaligned point. Martin Scorsese's The Last Temptation Of Christ - 88' is superior. For humans. For anyone looking for a sign that we are not alone in existence and there is someone who cares for us more than we can know. The violence is grizzly, but truthful. Crucifixion was supposed to be the most painful and shocking way for a person to die. That point gets heavily lost in most other depictions. And both of these movies are brilliant, if for different reasons.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 28, 2019 21:59:16 GMT
As there are ALL movies. The film was designed to be some sort of spiritual and ultimately cathartic experience I would say for believers, but this would be lost on non Christian viewers. It doesn't matter which way one spins it, it is distorted Christian propaganda. The symbolism is also hollow and shallow. Black and White notions of Good vs Evil and dressed up as truth does not thematically a strong movie make. It used shock value to sledgehammer its misaligned point. Martin Scorsese's The Last Temptation Of Christ - 88' is superior. For humans. For anyone looking for a sign that we are not alone in existence and there is someone who cares for us more than we can know. The violence is grizzly, but truthful. Crucifixion was supposed to be the most painful and shocking way for a person to die. That point gets heavily lost in most other depictions. And both of these movies are brilliant, if for different reasons. Christ wasn't the only person who was allegedly crucified. I am not religious, so watching a film about a decent and good man who was supposedly our saviour and died for our sins does not wash with me thematically. The film depicted cruel cruel and harsh times realistically and that is all I can say I came away with. There was not much nuance or conflict going on internally within the film. Showing us suffering without much context or substance is a cop-out and Gibson was pandering to his own ego and those that follow in his own religious beliefs about Christ only.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Mar 28, 2019 22:49:49 GMT
Like some others here, I've never actually seen it. I generally like Mel Gibson movies, but that one never attracted my interest in spite of all the controversy it generated back in the day. And I'm not religious either, so that wouldn't be a motivating factor for me.
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Mar 29, 2019 6:35:02 GMT
It’s more like Lucio Fulci made a religious film.
My deeply religious Southern Baptist relatives told me they were disappointed... To them it was much too “Catholic”, i.e. “not true to the real Gospels.”
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Post by poelzig on Mar 29, 2019 6:40:23 GMT
I've seen it when I was 13 years old with my Catholic School. We all got permission from our parents to see it at the movie theaters and I was traumatized yet moved by the film. Catholic School, huh? Hmmmmmm
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